Orochimaru was always the Strongest of the Sannin

[The Matrix]

Manga > Some japanese novel

It is debateble...but i'd put my money on Oro. He has live's to spear...unlike Jman. Ma and Pa could be a problem though.

And where do you thing Kishimoto got that idea form.

 

[Waltz]

The reason I think many people don't think Orochimaru is as powerful as Jiraiya is because he doesn't have the flashy skills like Giant Rasengan. People love skills that destroy half the damn battlefield. Orochimaru doesn't really many of those so people don't see him as being super powerful.

Very Plausible, i guess they dont see snakes and sword's doing much damage...but that's were they begin to underestimate Oro's potential.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

The bold ^


No, Orochimaru was no matter which way you put it.

and am sure your insight is what we should believe huh , if it makes you feel better then oro was the strongest :sy:

 

[Waltz]

And where do you thing Kishimoto got that idea form.

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and am sure your insight is what we should believe huh , if it makes you feel better then oro was the strongest :sy:

Thanks! my insight is supported by hiruzen..so i can freely say am correct

 

[UchihaMifune]

hmm could be the strongest, I've always felt

Sasuke=Orochimaru
Naruto=Jiraiya
sakura=Tsunade

and since Sasuke= Naruto in strength
that would mean Orochimaru=Jiraiya


and since Sasuke or naruto >>>>> Sakura
then Oro or Jiraiya >>>>> Tsunade

^This. +rep

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Sorry to mulipost, but I rest my case.

Attacks that destroy half the battlefield are what win fights. Let Orochimaru try and tank a TBB and see what happens

 

[SatchiZurake]

Very Plausible, i guess they dont see snakes and sword's doing much damage...but that's were they begin to underestimate Oro's potential.

Yeah I don't think many people understand just how powerful the Sword of Kusanagi is. And I think Manda and Manda 2.0 have proved just how powerful the snakes can be. I think we can all agree Gamabunta was snake food until Tsunade saved his froggy behind.

 

[Waltz]

Obviously Jiraiya is the strongest. When Orochimaru's disciples start blowing up villages in one attack then we can start comparing.

Are you some Fanboy?

If not What exactly are you trying to say?

Yeah I don't think many people understand just how powerful the Sword of Kusanagi is. And I think Manda and Manda 2.0 have proved just how powerful the snakes can be. I think we can all agree Gamabunta was snake food until Tsunade saved his froggy behind.

Lol true. Sword of Kusanagi is also under rated because it couldn't cut naruto, but it would slice Jman and those frogs like slicing through air.

 

[-Blade-]

Yes yes i am the strongest damnit just accept it

 

[SatchiZurake]

Attacks that destroy half the battlefield are what win fights. Let Orochimaru try and tank a TBB and see what happens

As we saw when he fought 4 tails Naruto, he knows when he's up against something he can't just flat out tank, and was able to survive the blast. But that's not the point of this thread. Last time I checked Jiraiya didn't have anything even close to as powerful as that. And Orochimaru tanked a DIRECT hit from Tsunade's full strength. Even in Sage Mode, Jiraiya's strength can't compare to that. He has nothing in his arsenal that Orochimaru can't tank/Oral rebirth out of.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Are you some Fanboy?

If not What exactly are you trying to say?

I thought I made it pretty obvious when I said that Jiraiya was the strongest. And don't call me a fanboy for having an opinion.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

As we saw when he fought 4 tails Naruto, he knows when he's up against something he can't just flat out tank, and was able to survive the blast. But that's not the point of this thread. Last time I checked Jiraiya didn't have anything even close to as powerful as that. And Orochimaru tanked a DIRECT hit from Tsunade's full strength. Even in Sage Mode, Jiraiya's strength can't compare to that. He has nothing in his arsenal that Orochimaru can't tank/Oral rebirth out of.

I beg to differ. Once Orochimaru is caught in Frog Song the fight is over.

 

[Waltz]

I thought I made it pretty obvious when I said that Jiraiya was the strongest. And don't call me a fanboy for having an opinion.

@ bold: Understandable.

Then what does any of this/jiraiya has to do with blowing up villages? are you hallucinating?

 

[SatchiZurake]

I beg to differ. Once Orochimaru is caught in Frog Song the fight is over.

Okay, Jiraiya catches Orochimaru in frog song. Now tell me what he does then. Whatever attack he does will snap Orochimaru out of the genjutsu. What attack does he have that will finish him off right then and there? If Jiraiya has anything in his arsenal that has more destructive power than the Kyuubi's chakra beam, or Tsunade's full strength even, please state it now. And give supporting evidence from the manga.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

@ bold: Understandable.

Then what does any of this/jiraiya has to do with blowing up villages? are you hallucinating?

I never said anything about Jiraiya blowing up a village. I was talking about his students, i.e. Naruto, Pain.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Okay, Jiraiya catches Orochimaru in frog song. Now tell me what he does then. Whatever attack he does will snap Orochimaru out of the genjutsu. What attack does he have that will finish him off right then and there? If Jiraiya has anything in his arsenal that has more destructive power than the Kyuubi's chakra beam, or Tsunade's full strength even, please state it now. And give supporting evidence from the manga.

@Bold. I doubt Orochimaru will snap out of Frog Song if he is hit, as the Paths of Pain did not snap out after they were stabbed in the heart.

Also Orochimaru is not indestructible, he uses that rebirth thing to recover from/avoid devastating attacks. I doubt he could tank more than 4 Giant rasengans or even Goemon.

 

[Beetle]

J-man has better stats in the databook.. even not judging by that (because I don't) I'd say J-man defeats Oro.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Oh wait forget about that stuff, he can just turn Orochimaru into a frog lmao

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

but bro if your argument is based on witch student did hiruzen like the most then.... its silly, again hiruzen liked oro like a son, the reason why i would say they are on the same level is like you said hiruzen gave oro statues by saying he was his favourite, jiraiya's resemai speaks for itself, master of the hero the child of prophecy, minato the fourth hokage, nagato who has eyes of the so6p, turned down the position of hokage, and was one of three sannin, plus the fact that that jiraiya took naruto to protect him from the akatsuki and they didn't dare to capture naruto on his watch . now doesn't all that give him statues. i am actually doing you a favor when i say they are on the same level. oro got his ass kicked from an old man A VERY STRONG OLD MAN, also if you will talk about hiruzen's statement that raises oro's statues, there is what itachi and kisame said and ran for it lol plus what pain said after the fight. so ya

 

[SatchiZurake]

@Bold. I doubt Orochimaru will snap out of Frog Song if he is hit, as the Paths of Pain did not snap out after they were stabbed in the heart.

Also Orochimaru is not indestructible, he uses that rebirth thing to recover from/avoid devastating attacks. I doubt he could tank more than 4 Giant rasengans or even Goemon.

If Jiraiya catches Orochimaru in Frog Song and uses Goemon, then he takes it. I'll concede that. However. That's a huge if that is affected by a lot of factors. The prep time for frog song is it's biggest weakness, and unless Jiraiya can hide from Orochimaru then it's a no-go. In the event that Jiraiya uses Goemon without Frog Song immobilizing Orochimaru, then Orochimaru has Leech All Creation to evade it.

Also, I have no doubt in my mind that Orochima could tank four Giant Rasengan. Kyuubi beam, albeit weakened by the Triple Rashomon, left his body completely mangled and broken and yet he still had enough fight left in him to push Kyuubi back miles with Kusanagi. Only AFTER this did he use Oral Rebirth to recover from the damage. As far as he's shown, he can recover from everything short of having his body completely vaporized.

Also, my point here isn't that Orochimaru definitely beats Jiraiya. It's that Jiraiya doesn't definitely beat Orochimaru.