Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions
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robert31393
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whoever thinks tobi is obito obviously doesn't follow the timeline good.the timeline is proof enough that tobi isnt obito.you cant just ignore the timeline because it is the best proof there is.tobi is probably using obito's body or eye but, he isnt the real obito.
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Hahaha. Im going to leave it at that, if not im going to be at your level. The outcome of this will be a burn enough
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Hmmm.. sounds interesting, would be kinda like a person in a person in a person, ''Perception'' Fits is demention techique (cant remember the name)
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Lol to all the people saying he isn't Obito because he said "I got the eye at battle of kannabi bridge." That in no way disproves the Obito theory. If Tobi doesn't want to give away his identity yet, why in the world would he say "I've had it since birth." ? BAM, Tobi's identity is revealed. O.O
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Come on people. -.-
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no one said that quote disproves the obito theory.we are saying that the timeline disproves it.and the timeline is good enough for me to believe that tobi isnt obito.
There is a small chance that Tobi is Obito but I don't think so because:
1. Tobi has two sharingans here
Please don't tell me that the left eye is Obito's eye, we know it isn't because Kakashi has Obito's left eye.
2. We know Tobi collects Sharingans. Looks at his lab here:
He also showed a strong interest in wanting Shisui's eye.
3. Obito was only 12-13 years old when he died. A year later Tobi attacks Konoha. Are you telling me Obito fought Minato at 14 years old?
Is this really a 14 year old?
4. He claimed he gave Nagato the Rinnegan
We saw Nagato using the Rinnegan during the Second World War. This is before Obito was even born. Are you really telling me that Obito was able to give a Rinnegan to Nagato when he wasn't even born?
1. Tobi has two sharingans here
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Please don't tell me that the left eye is Obito's eye, we know it isn't because Kakashi has Obito's left eye.
2. We know Tobi collects Sharingans. Looks at his lab here:
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He also showed a strong interest in wanting Shisui's eye.
3. Obito was only 12-13 years old when he died. A year later Tobi attacks Konoha. Are you telling me Obito fought Minato at 14 years old?
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Is this really a 14 year old?
4. He claimed he gave Nagato the Rinnegan
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We saw Nagato using the Rinnegan during the Second World War. This is before Obito was even born. Are you really telling me that Obito was able to give a Rinnegan to Nagato when he wasn't even born?
And of course one of the biggest issues there is with it being anyone else, is how/why did they get so weak? I mean izuna/kagami/shisui/fugaku was all ninja who should have known lots of Jutsu. Buuut...Tobi appears (I highly doubt he's faking it) to know only that one? Even Kakashi, who is a non-uchiha can copy and perform Justu. This would make you think the body for some reason, is incapable of performing any jutsu other than doujutsu.
Obito is the only known candidate. I mean the boulder could have damaged his chakra network, I know that it appears Zetsu is part of him and restores chakra, but I don't know how restoring a chakra network would work. :/
Not being able to use any jutsu other than Kamui rules out all the other candidates when we stick to what is known and logical. :shrug:
Although it was just a memory, we see Izuna's body in tact, laying in the coffin. We know for sure nothing happened to Fugaku's body. The last time Shisui was seen, only his eyes was missing, and he supposedly committed suicide, I doubt he tortured himself to the point where he couldn't use any jutsu, not to mention that would only guarantee people thinking it wasn't a suicide. Then there's Kagami, since we don't know anything about him, I guess it could be. But Obito fits the description more than the other candidates when it comes to the physical capabilities that we have seen.
A great deal of speculation would have to be added on most of these characters, not much different from those speculating on the Obito theory.
And yeah there's the age issue and other things, but if one believes Kishi could be trolling Obito theorist, I don't know why they refuse to believe that they are the ones being trolled by following such logic in a manga when logic has already been disproved.
And actually, it's pretty obvious Kishi planned from the beginning on relating Tobi to Obito in some way. It's just that all the pieces are now falling into place as he had planned.
He most likely already had it set in stone that Tobi's eye=Obito's, and Obito theorist was saying this as well; but was still laughed at with remarks such as "Kishi is obviously trolling".
And even now, Kishi is not really hinting at Tobi=Obito, but more so Tobi has Obito's eye (This is what he's trying to make it look like).
As I said before, I highly believe his body is being used. Though I'm not 100% ruling out that it is Obito or anyone else. ;p
Obito is the only known candidate. I mean the boulder could have damaged his chakra network, I know that it appears Zetsu is part of him and restores chakra, but I don't know how restoring a chakra network would work. :/
Not being able to use any jutsu other than Kamui rules out all the other candidates when we stick to what is known and logical. :shrug:
Although it was just a memory, we see Izuna's body in tact, laying in the coffin. We know for sure nothing happened to Fugaku's body. The last time Shisui was seen, only his eyes was missing, and he supposedly committed suicide, I doubt he tortured himself to the point where he couldn't use any jutsu, not to mention that would only guarantee people thinking it wasn't a suicide. Then there's Kagami, since we don't know anything about him, I guess it could be. But Obito fits the description more than the other candidates when it comes to the physical capabilities that we have seen.
A great deal of speculation would have to be added on most of these characters, not much different from those speculating on the Obito theory.
And yeah there's the age issue and other things, but if one believes Kishi could be trolling Obito theorist, I don't know why they refuse to believe that they are the ones being trolled by following such logic in a manga when logic has already been disproved.
And actually, it's pretty obvious Kishi planned from the beginning on relating Tobi to Obito in some way. It's just that all the pieces are now falling into place as he had planned.
He most likely already had it set in stone that Tobi's eye=Obito's, and Obito theorist was saying this as well; but was still laughed at with remarks such as "Kishi is obviously trolling".
And even now, Kishi is not really hinting at Tobi=Obito, but more so Tobi has Obito's eye (This is what he's trying to make it look like).
As I said before, I highly believe his body is being used. Though I'm not 100% ruling out that it is Obito or anyone else. ;p
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Here's what I think:
1. Tobi is going to to be revealed as Obito.
2. Tobi's/Obito's past will be revealed (like how every other Naruto characters past gets revealed before they die or on the verge of death or verbally.)
3. He will tell his true reason why he wants the world to be shrouded in the Dream of Infinite Tsukuyomi. (I think it's because of Rin. Obito loved her. But she loved Kakashi which explains his attitude towards Kakashi. He wants to create an illusion as if Rin loved him. Tobi's intentions aren't all that bad. He wants to create a world "where heroes don't have to make pitiful excuses in front of graves" meaning no grieving.) (Quote as read in Naruto Manga 597 Page #17)
4. Why would the original Naruto Manga end showing Kakashi's past with Obito, and Rin?
5. You know how in flashbacks Orochimaru always helps somebody? (Example, Kimimaro, Kabuto, Haku) I think Orochimaru found Obito stuck underneath the rock. Saved him, then taught him The Living Corpse Reincarnation technique, then wanted revenge just how Sasuke did. Sasuke had hatred for Itachi for killing his entire family, and Obito had hatred for Kakashi because Orochimaru fed him some lies.
1. Tobi is going to to be revealed as Obito.
2. Tobi's/Obito's past will be revealed (like how every other Naruto characters past gets revealed before they die or on the verge of death or verbally.)
3. He will tell his true reason why he wants the world to be shrouded in the Dream of Infinite Tsukuyomi. (I think it's because of Rin. Obito loved her. But she loved Kakashi which explains his attitude towards Kakashi. He wants to create an illusion as if Rin loved him. Tobi's intentions aren't all that bad. He wants to create a world "where heroes don't have to make pitiful excuses in front of graves" meaning no grieving.) (Quote as read in Naruto Manga 597 Page #17)
4. Why would the original Naruto Manga end showing Kakashi's past with Obito, and Rin?
5. You know how in flashbacks Orochimaru always helps somebody? (Example, Kimimaro, Kabuto, Haku) I think Orochimaru found Obito stuck underneath the rock. Saved him, then taught him The Living Corpse Reincarnation technique, then wanted revenge just how Sasuke did. Sasuke had hatred for Itachi for killing his entire family, and Obito had hatred for Kakashi because Orochimaru fed him some lies.
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Another theory.
It's possible that Tobi is Izuna. The fact that he knew so much when he was talking to Sasuke. Also, think of it this way,when Madara died in Final valley,that was when he pushed his EMS evolving it to the rinnegan. Don't you think it's possible that Madara revived Izuna,like when Nagato revived all the villagers just before he was about to die? It's also stated that the user can switch between EMS and Rinnegan,it's possible that Madara gave 1 of his rinnegan to Izuna.
Now,in the recent chapter,Tobi stated that he had obtained his sharingan at Kanabi bridge,Tobi at that time could've been on a search for a Sharingan and he came across Obito's.
3-4 years later after Obito's death is when the kyuubi attack occurred,Tobi tried to use Kurama and destroy the Leaf. Why? It was to avenge his brother and he was trying to collect all tailed beasts,but he failed to do so and recognized that he needed other people to help him out. Later,He gives the rinnegan to Nagato. But you're probably wondering how Nagato has two rinnegan eyes when Madara only gave Izuna 1. I do not know how. After he kills Konan,have you ever wondered why Tobi only implanted one rinnegan into his eye socket and what happened to the other one? Later on Nagato creates the Akatsuki and gets more members to capture the beasts.
Next is the Uchiha massacre, Tobi helped Itachi kill them. Now I'm wondering if Danzo (I think) was being controlled by Tobi because in Shippuden we've seen him control the Mizukage Yagura. Now I'm wondering if it was all part of his plan? Getting Itachi to kill the clan and Sasuke will come after him and kill him.
Kurama stated that Sasuke's chakra was like Madara's. I'm wondering if that's why Tobi told the story about Madara and him to Sasuke because Sasuke reminded him of Madara? Now Sasuke wants to avenge his brother and Tobi is letting him do so;Sasuke wants to destroy the leaf. Remind you of anything? That's right,Izuna (Tobi) tried to do the same thing during the kyuubi attack,he wanted to avenge his brother just like Sasuke does now.
Now in the kage summit arc,why would Tobi save Sasuke? Is it because he reminds him of his brother, Madara or is it because he wants to keep him alive and use him as a part of his plan?
Another theory.
It's possible that Tobi is Izuna. The fact that he knew so much when he was talking to Sasuke. Also, think of it this way,when Madara died in Final valley,that was when he pushed his EMS evolving it to the rinnegan. Don't you think it's possible that Madara revived Izuna,like when Nagato revived all the villagers just before he was about to die? It's also stated that the user can switch between EMS and Rinnegan,it's possible that Madara gave 1 of his rinnegan to Izuna.
Now,in the recent chapter,Tobi stated that he had obtained his sharingan at Kanabi bridge,Tobi at that time could've been on a search for a Sharingan and he came across Obito's.
3-4 years later after Obito's death is when the kyuubi attack occurred,Tobi tried to use Kurama and destroy the Leaf. Why? It was to avenge his brother and he was trying to collect all tailed beasts,but he failed to do so and recognized that he needed other people to help him out. Later,He gives the rinnegan to Nagato. But you're probably wondering how Nagato has two rinnegan eyes when Madara only gave Izuna 1. I do not know how. After he kills Konan,have you ever wondered why Tobi only implanted one rinnegan into his eye socket and what happened to the other one? Later on Nagato creates the Akatsuki and gets more members to capture the beasts.
Next is the Uchiha massacre, Tobi helped Itachi kill them. Now I'm wondering if Danzo (I think) was being controlled by Tobi because in Shippuden we've seen him control the Mizukage Yagura. Now I'm wondering if it was all part of his plan? Getting Itachi to kill the clan and Sasuke will come after him and kill him.
Kurama stated that Sasuke's chakra was like Madara's. I'm wondering if that's why Tobi told the story about Madara and him to Sasuke because Sasuke reminded him of Madara? Now Sasuke wants to avenge his brother and Tobi is letting him do so;Sasuke wants to destroy the leaf. Remind you of anything? That's right,Izuna (Tobi) tried to do the same thing during the kyuubi attack,he wanted to avenge his brother just like Sasuke does now.
Now in the kage summit arc,why would Tobi save Sasuke? Is it because he reminds him of his brother, Madara or is it because he wants to keep him alive and use him as a part of his plan?
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