I hear ya on the KillerBee character. But people build up Sasuke a little to much. Sasuke would be a badass if he was just a regular ninja. But he's NOT....He's an Uchiha and our standards of them are VERY VERY HIGH!! Itachi didn't disappoint, but Sasuke constantly disappoints me. But there's people that want to make excuses for him. We don't need to make excuses for Naruto cause he's pretty much beat everyone he's come across, and he's just a normal dude.
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ShadowNinja
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orochimaru couldnt defeat itachi because itachi saw through all of his moves because of his sharingan. remember back when orochimaru fought against jirayia and tsunade. orochimaru held his end going against two sannin and all with out both his hands.
wasnt orochimaru the one that took out the 3rd hokage? he had to be strong to some extend for him to accomplish that.
plus sasuke went to go train under orochimaru so that he could learn as much techniques as possible and he knew orochimaru was the one that can teach him alot of techniques.
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another thing sauske his battles that we see him fight in are like one after another. im not sure if was recovered from fighting itachi or not when he went to go fight killerbee. its just that he seem way to weak when he was fighting killerbee.
another thing people make the MS sharingan seem way to power. in my opinion the only time i really see itachi or sasuake use the MS sharingan is to only do those power techniques that hurts there eyes and drains alot of chakra from them. i havent really seen MS sharingan used for something else, like to improve there reaction time like the orginal sharingan.
another thing people make the MS sharingan seem way to power. in my opinion the only time i really see itachi or sasuake use the MS sharingan is to only do those power techniques that hurts there eyes and drains alot of chakra from them. i havent really seen MS sharingan used for something else, like to improve there reaction time like the orginal sharingan.
kozinaruckus
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But here's the thing the only reason Orochimaru was able to take both even without his arms is that Jirayia was drugged, and Tsunade was to scared of blood to react. Once she snapped out of it. Orochimaru retreated at that point.
Orochimaru didn't take out the third. The third took out himself and sealed his arms. He would of taken them both out if Orochimaru didn't partially block his jutsu.
After that you never see Orochimaru win against anybody just run away or get killed.
So Jirayia was a much better teacher to follow and stronger than Itachi, who let Sasuke win. Naruto surpassed Jirayia so he is stronger than everybody pretty much. He just still doesn't have the battle experience yet of his pops or J man to be the best there ever was yet, but he's getting there. Plus knowing Naruto he's still susceptible to genjutsu at least until he can learn to drawe in Natural energy while moving to stay in sage mode. In order to get that chakra to disrupt the genjutsu.
uchiha.itachi
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Wowwww... I just had an idea... What if the real Pain (I mean the real one who is not among them 
) can`t fight on his own because it is too dangerous for him... Maybe he has a short lifespan left... something like Kimimaro... Kimimaro was super-strong but only lasted while the candle was lit perhaps it`s the same thing with Pain.
But naaaaahhh... the real Pain has to be the strongest motha stronger than all of 6 bodies put together.
) can`t fight on his own because it is too dangerous for him... Maybe he has a short lifespan left... something like Kimimaro... Kimimaro was super-strong but only lasted while the candle was lit perhaps it`s the same thing with Pain. But naaaaahhh... the real Pain has to be the strongest motha
stronger than all of 6 bodies put together.
sageofmyobokuzan
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sinblack i agree wit the battle experience point u made, naruto has been fightin much tougher opponents that sasuke and more of them, but killerbee is not a pushover, he is in control of his bijuu, the 8-tails and second most powerful of all the tailed beasts, the guy is a beast even wit sasuke's ms he wasnt able to defeat him, and that was using the eye techs developed by itachi no less
kakshi couldnt beat oro at his weak point....
how would kakashi survive the poison ? or the transfere technique he does ?
And the only reason why oro was in sasuke body is cause he put him there...
And the clown ninja he was beatin by had a host...
Imma put it like this if naruto and sasuke fought right now.....
Sage Mode Naruto - If he doesnt already be in sage mode...He will loose to sasukes speed..
If naruto is in sage mode...He might hand sasukes tail to him personally....
I could say sasuke could use genjutsu....But ppl will say he cant cause of natural energy...
But untill that is proven i disagree....Simply because u have to force chakra out not in....
Fox Chakra Naruto - It can be surpressed if sasuke can still enter his mind....
He did it at the front of the series....Now sumbody said it was jus genjutsu and thats all...
But if thats tha case....Then why didnt naruto still use the power ?
And was almost killed....
Sasuke wanted to gain power....He wasnt trying to do anything else...
As far as wat he wants to accomplish...To kill itachi....But found out it was more to it...
Do u mean naruto surpassed jiriya in strength or expierience ?
And if u look at that itachi vs jiriya ...When he put them in that toad mouth....
He did not expect itachi to get out....He knew he had that win...
You're absolutly right! Itachi DID get out of the toads mouth. But he fled. Do you think Orochimaru could cause Itachi to flee....I don't F**KING think so. If Jirayaa had of pursued them it would've been over for Itachi and Kasame (Remember Itachi was VERY VERY fatigue for using that jutsu and in no condition to continue to fight).
Naruto has definitly not surpassed Jirayaa as far as Experience, but he has in power. Without a doubt he has. But I think and believe experience counts for ALOT. And that's some Sasuke just doesn't have. Learning a bunch of techniques is nothing if you don't know how to implement them into a fight.
I'm sorry but neither Orochimaru or Itachi willingly put themselves into situations that put them at near death!! They could defeat their foes from a distance. So if Sasuke is SUCH a genius why does he rush in hand to hand and get beat down. He was damn near dead. Which shows me he fights a certain way because he has people around. Remember REMEMBER....he spefically choose that woman with that special healing jutsu. And I WONDER WHY?! To heal his wounds everytime he gets beat up.
Point is Sasuke picked on Orochimaru. Sasuke didn't just happened to reach the end of his training the same time Orochimaru was weak and ready for a transfer....HE WAITED till he was weakened. So can't nobody tell me that he's superior. He's not even top five. Naruto would've attacted whenever....Not wait till his oppenant was weak. That's something a coward does.....And obviously his biggest lesson he learned from Orochimaru (A coward also).
Naruto has definitly not surpassed Jirayaa as far as Experience, but he has in power. Without a doubt he has. But I think and believe experience counts for ALOT. And that's some Sasuke just doesn't have. Learning a bunch of techniques is nothing if you don't know how to implement them into a fight.
I'm sorry but neither Orochimaru or Itachi willingly put themselves into situations that put them at near death!! They could defeat their foes from a distance. So if Sasuke is SUCH a genius why does he rush in hand to hand and get beat down. He was damn near dead. Which shows me he fights a certain way because he has people around. Remember REMEMBER....he spefically choose that woman with that special healing jutsu. And I WONDER WHY?! To heal his wounds everytime he gets beat up.
Point is Sasuke picked on Orochimaru. Sasuke didn't just happened to reach the end of his training the same time Orochimaru was weak and ready for a transfer....HE WAITED till he was weakened. So can't nobody tell me that he's superior. He's not even top five. Naruto would've attacted whenever....Not wait till his oppenant was weak. That's something a coward does.....And obviously his biggest lesson he learned from Orochimaru (A coward also).
i think u made a mistake on this one. worshippy
u have to force chakra in your body to disrupt ur chakra flow -> cancel Genjutsu !
So it could be possible that natural chakra could do that but NOBODY knows!
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Fatigue itachi ?....Ummm if not mistaken he wasnt usin his eyes then....
I dont think that itachi & jiriya was after the battle wit kakashi...
Sasuke has expierience even if u dont agree me....Thats jus wat i think....
And sasuke knows how to implement it in fight as well...
I mean u attack sasuke and say he ran into this fight and got beat...
But naruto has done the same thing...And alot of times kakashi has to tell him to stop...
& sasuke chose his team smartly...No differennce then any kage sendin a team on a mission
Sasuke knew in wat time frame he needed change bodies...
Was it not ironic as soon as kabuto left from oros room sasuke attacked ?
Do u think he was not listen to or preparin for that situation ?....
Doesnt matter when naruto attacks a person....
ur right ur right.... my fault...i think u made a mistake on this one. worshippy
u have to force chakra in your body to disrupt ur chakra flow -> cancel Genjutsu !
So it could be possible that natural chakra could do that but NOBODY knows!
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i agree wit wat ur saying...
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StopDropNRoll
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Itachi did use his MS genjutsu/torture on Kakashi, then Gai jumped in to help. Almost immediately after Itachi and Kisame tracked down Naruto and J man
I don't really agree with anybody who uses any arguments that say '(somebody) was stronger than/could beat Itachi." Itachi was a genius. He played Sasuke like an X-box. He also played Kisime. When he said that they would probably both be killed by Jiraiya, I think he was just protecting him. I'm not sure about this, but other than the Uchiha clan, have we really seen him kill anybody? When he came to Konoha, he just put the guards to sleep. Yeah, he hurt Kakashi, but that doesn't mean too much. Gai wouldn't have had the time to save him if it just took an instant to make it feel like 3 days to Kakashi. He played Jiraiya as well. He knew that he'd show up and save Naruto. He didn't really wanna catch him. He was only there to get to talk to Sasuke without causing Kissime to become alarmed. Uhhh... If there are any other times concerning Itachi you want explained, just ask. I'll try. I don't know if I really believe myself on this one, but it sounds plausible. He was a true Genius. (Oh yeah. I don't know where it says, but someone said that Jiraiya, himself, said he was weak against genjutsu, so why couldn't he, Itachi, have beaten Jiraiya easily?)
Someone a while ago said something like, "you shouldn't say, 'you are wrong." I disagree. While the person saying, "you are wrong" might be wrong himself, it is taught in at least some debate classes to not show weakness by saying, "I think..." (Even though I do all of the time, because I don't care if I come across as weak. I LIKE for my opponents to underestimate me.) Yeah, this is just a discussion thread-type thingy, but heated arguments make for a better read, if not more intelligent.
It sucks that whenever I'm online/on this thread, not that many other people are. It's like I'm talking to myself. If someone actually reads what I say, they don't respond too often, and if they do, I don't get the response until later, because by the time they do, I'm offline again. Seems like that's gonna happen again, seeing as how I gotta go play some roundball (basketball, which I think it's weird it's referred to as roundball, because I can only think of a couple of other kinds of balls (get your mind outta the gutter) that aren't actually round, like football/rugby.). I'll be back in an hour and a half or so to see what kind of responses there are. Any. Come on.
Ok, I still got like 15 minutes before I gotta go. Since I'm thinking about it, yeah, Killerbee would be a good teacher of Naruto's just to show him about Kyuubi control. Don't know if that would work too well, though. The bull-thing biijou seems to be somewhat intelligent. Yeah, the fox CAN have a conversation, but it doesn't seem to want to. It is supposed to be 'puuurree eeeeeviiiiil!' Another thought about the Bee... He's not even the best ninja in his village. His brother is. When are we gonna get to see HIM fight, if ever?
You did said he won all with luck, not most of the time. And yes, he won with superior skill. Regarding the Neji fight, Naruto didn't just happen to dug himself underground and surprised Neji with that punch. It wasn't luck. It was good strategy. He planned it, then executed it and that's why Neji was caught off his guard. If that's not a skill, an intelligent one at that, superior to that of Neji at the time, I don't know what is. Because if Neji was superior to Naruto during the fight, he would have owned Naruto throughout the whole fight, not just in the beginning, and win in the end. But he didn't, therefore: Naruto has superior skill. Cause it really doesn't matter who gets beaten up worst during the whole fight, any fight, the one that triumphs in the end has to be considered superior, whether in strength, tactics, whatever skill they have. Cause for me, if you're really that good, you wouldn't be beaten anyway. If you got caught with a punch or whatever, it's your fault for underestimating your opponent and not seeing it coming. That is lack of skill. This goes for any of Naruto's fights. You said it yourself, that Naruto has determination and heart, that is also a skill not possessed by everyone. Just my thoughts...
AGREED. even analogists, like me would say yes to this post...let's just stop commenting on meercy's posts because we all know that all he have is his one tracked mind, buying for attention.
he tries to comment on posts based on his idiotically centered ideas while we try to base everything according to what the author wrote...
sageofmyobokuzan
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itachi did use his sharingan to escape jmans toad mouth jutsu, he used amaterasu to burn a escape whole
I don't think Kakashi's dead. Yeah, he's almost there, but he's talking to White Fang. Why would that have been the end of the legacy? If he were dead, I would've thought that he actually SAW his former teammates, not just thought, I'll be with you soon. I suppose Kakashi has repressed White Fang's memory so much, that he forgot important things about him. "Talking" to him might remind him of a couple of things, like JUTSU's! and when he gets a second wind/chakra (not wind chakra), he'll step into the fight between Pain and a losing Naruto (now that he's outta sage for the moment). Yay! Then, after/while he saves Naruto, he'll die/be killed...again. Sasuke will see it, and since it'll be Pain who's doing the killing, he might go berzerk, since it's his old sensei. I'll have to think this through a bit... I don't think Sasuke'll truly be good for a while. Fix my story, someone.
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