How would Gin or Tosen fair against the quincy?

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After seeing how these Quincy have been handling these current captains (besides Zaraki ofc) how do you think the former captains Gin and Tosen would do?

I think Gin could curb stomp with just his Shikai, Tosen on the other hand I think would get his ass handed to him!
 

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Lol Yeah Gin can manage, though Tousen will get beat up pretty badly unless ofcourse we're talking about Hollow Tousen, then I think he got a fair Chance, but still those Quincy are only OP against people who rely completely on their Bankai ( Byakuya ) and Shinigami who are weak to begin with...
 
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Lol Yeah Gin can manage, though Tousen will get beat up pretty badly unless ofcourse we're talking about Hollow Tousen, then I think he got a fair Chance, but still those Quincy are only OP against people who rely completely on their Bankai ( Byakuya ) and Shinigami who are weak to begin with... Look at Kenpachi lol
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Shinigami who are weak to begin with and you refer to Kenpachi? Someone who is on par with the other captains with only swordmanship? You sir have some weird view on things.
What?!!, Kenpachi is currently Owning Quincy, I know how beast he is... that "Look at Kenpachi" was supposed to be that he's not getting owned and he doesn't even have a Bankai, that's why he's the best one right now, I put 3 dots to separate the two sentences... well let me edit it then!!
 

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What?!!, Kenpachi is currently Owning Quincy, I know how beast he is... that "Look at Kenpachi" was supposed to be that he's not getting owned and he doesn't even have a Bankai, that's why he's the best one right now, I put 3 dots to separate the two sentences... well let me edit it then!!
Np, edited aswell. Sentenced just looked a bit weird like me, weak shinigami and kenpachi shouldn't be that close in a sentence :D
 

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If Tosen got the drop on them and released his Bankai I'm not so sure the quincy would know what was happening... so then it comes down to if he decides to hold a speech about justice and all that malarky or go for the kill - knowing Tosen he'd start to jibberjabber and end up with his Bankai stolen and he'd die.

Gin would be okay.. hell the guy was considered a genius before Toshiro and he's still the only one to graduate in 1 year (record previously held by Kaien, 3 years or something).
 

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If Tosen got the drop on them and released his Bankai I'm not so sure the quincy would know what was happening... so then it comes down to if he decides to hold a speech about justice and all that malarky or go for the kill - knowing Tosen he'd start to jibberjabber and end up with his Bankai stolen and he'd die.

Gin would be okay.. hell the guy was considered a genius before Toshiro and he's still the only one to graduate in 1 year (record previously held by Kaien, 3 years or something).
They would absorb his bankai within 2 seconds.

OT: I think both would make some chance, Gin with his shikai was strong enough to even overpower Ichigo while Gin wasnt even seriously fighting. And Tousen would have a chance in his hollow mask mode (not that giant bug thing mode).
 

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They would absorb his bankai within 2 seconds.

OT: I think both would make some chance, Gin with his shikai was strong enough to even overpower Ichigo while Gin wasnt even seriously fighting. And Tousen would have a chance in his hollow mask mode (not that giant bug thing mode).
He used his Bankai to catch alot of people off-guard, including Kensei - so how would the Quincy know he used his Bankai when everything suddenly goes dark and no sound.. just nothing. Doubt they'd automaticly use their little amulet.
 

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He used his Bankai to catch alot of people off-guard, including Kensei - so how would the Quincy know he used his Bankai when everything suddenly goes dark and no sound.. just nothing. Doubt they'd automaticly use their little amulet.
They hear him saying bankai and they know what time it is and also we dont know if Kensei and the others knew about tousen's bankai back that time. Just like not so much people know about Ikkaku's bankai. And also the quincies did their homework and knew who has a bankai, so I wouldnt be surprised if they also knew what the bankai does.
 

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They hear him saying bankai and they know what time it is and also we dont know if Kensei and the others knew about tousen's bankai back that time. Just like not so much people know about Ikkaku's bankai. And also the quincies did their homework and knew who has a bankai, so I wouldnt be surprised if they also knew what the bankai does.
Hmm spose so, having to say you're about to release your bankai or kidou is quite a drawback really.

Anyway, what you say makes sense so fair enough :p
 

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Lol Yeah Gin can manage, though Tousen will get beat up pretty badly unless ofcourse we're talking about Hollow Tousen, then I think he got a fair Chance, but still those Quincy are only OP against people who rely completely on their Bankai ( Byakuya ) and Shinigami who are weak to begin with...
How is relying on your zanpaktou an indication of weakness? The possession of a zanpaktou is what it means to be a Shinigami in the first place. In fact, if anything, Byakuya should be praised for having such incredible mastery over his zanpaktou and it's myriad of techniques.

The Quincy were just extraordinarily prepared and managed to devise the perfect Shinigami-counter, that's all.

Possibly, yeah Gin is a boss. He could have killed Aizen if it wasn't for the Hogyoku. (element of surprise)
How would Gin fight against his Bankai? How would he avoid something that's 500x the speed of sound? When Gin was fighting with Ichigo he was toying with him. If he wanted Ichigo dead it could have happened the second he decided to use his Bankai. The Quincy wouldn't toy with Gin. They'd steal his Bankai and impale him with his own poison faster than he can blink.

If Tosen got the drop on them and released his Bankai I'm not so sure the quincy would know what was happening... so then it comes down to if he decides to hold a speech about justice and all that malarky or go for the kill - knowing Tosen he'd start to jibberjabber and end up with his Bankai stolen and he'd die.

Gin would be okay.. hell the guy was considered a genius before Toshiro and he's still the only one to graduate in 1 year (record previously held by Kaien, 3 years or something).
Tousen wouldn't be able to fight his Bankai neither. And the whole argument about how the Quincy wouldn't be able to react...that's just bad logic. Tousen's Bankai doesn't make the opponent blind and deaf instantly. It needs time to setup the black dome. The second he says "Bankai" it's over. He'd lose his Bankai.
 
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Tousen wouldn't be able to fight his Bankai neither. And the whole argument about how the Quincy wouldn't be able to react...that's just bad logic. Tousen's Bankai doesn't make the opponent blind and deaf instantly. It needs time to setup the black dome. The second he says "Bankai" it's over. He'd lose his Bankai.
It isn't bad logic when he did the same to Kensei and the other people he effortlessly killed like that.. which is what I was hinting at. :rolleyes:

But he didn't say bankai back then so I'm not sure what that was, anyway like stated before they have to actually say bankai so in that case yea he'd be screwed.
 

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How is relying on your zanpaktou an indication of weakness? The possession of a zanpaktou is what it means to be a Shinigami in the first place. In fact, if anything, Byakuya should be praised for having such incredible mastery over his zanpaktou and it's myriad of techniques.

The Quincy were just extraordinarily prepared and managed to devise the perfect Shinigami-counter, that's all.



How would Gin fight against his Bankai? How would he avoid something that's 500x the speed of sound? When Gin was fighting with Ichigo he was toying with him. If he wanted Ichigo dead it could have happened the second he decided to use his Bankai. The Quincy wouldn't toy with Gin. They'd steal his Bankai and impale him with his own poison faster than he can blink.



Tousen wouldn't be able to fight his Bankai neither. And the whole argument about how the Quincy wouldn't be able to react...that's just bad logic. Tousen's Bankai doesn't make the opponent blind and deaf instantly. It needs time to setup the black dome. The second he says "Bankai" it's over. He'd lose his Bankai.
I have to disagree with the bold. First off, what makes you think that Gin would ever use bankai on the Quincy? His Shikai is so OP he was able to lie and say it was bankai! I doubt Gin would have a problem with any of the Quincy beside buckbeard, his right hand man and maybe just MAYBE a couple more. You completely underrated Gin! He'd be killed by his own bankai before he could blink <--- blasphemy!
 

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I have to disagree with the bold. First off, what makes you think that Gin would ever use bankai on the Quincy? His Shikai is so OP he was able to lie and say it was bankai! I doubt Gin would have a problem with any of the Quincy beside buckbeard, his right hand man and maybe just MAYBE a couple more. You completely underrated Gin! He'd be killed by his own bankai before he could blink <--- blasphemy!
Gin never lied about his Shikai being his Bankai.

The Bankai that he revealed was his actual Bankai. The only thing he kept a secret was the poison. His Bankai is the one that can range 13km and extend/contract at 500x the speed of sound. Not his Shikai.

I'm not underrating Gin. I'm being a realist. If anything, you're the one that's overrating him. I don't care how much of a genius Gin was. He's not fast enough to dodge something that's 500x the speed of sound. End of story.
 
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If Tosen got the drop on them and released his Bankai I'm not so sure the quincy would know what was happening... so then it comes down to if he decides to hold a speech about justice and all that malarky or go for the kill - knowing Tosen he'd start to jibberjabber and end up with his Bankai stolen and he'd die.

Gin would be okay.. hell the guy was considered a genius before Toshiro and he's still the only one to graduate in 1 year (record previously held by Kaien, 3 years or something).
tosen would destroy them his bug hollow mode would make them look weak as hell..he wont need bankai. he beat the hell out of komamaru bankai with ease while the quincy try an take it cuz they kno they probly wont win if the soul reapers could use bankai lol tosen would make light work of the one byakuya is fighting an mabey all the others besides the boss an the guy with him...

as for gin he has no chance in hell if he cant use bankai he will end up just like buyakuya cuz his shikai will not be any help at all...come on now think be4 you speak.
 

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Indeed I think Tousen probably didn't want to use bankai after he gained those Hollow abilities I'd be cool if he used it and then used his resurrection his sword would disappear I think so that probably means so would his bankai oh well :/ a weird bug fighting in the dark is certainly most terrifying
 
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