Itachi is to OP

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itachis not op no where close he never even so much as even smashed a cottage in his whole life ...and it honestly trips me out to how scary itachi gets with a opponent 20x's more power than him, who actually deserves the title OP,itachi was sheer fodder plain and simple.
 
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1. You neglected to comment on the concentration aspect of using that path constantly.

2. The amount of chakra he absorbed isn't speculation. You overplay the potential of Nagato's abilities and also without thinking of any negative aspects that might be a factor. Nagato's paths defeated SM Naruto. He cannot go against Kurama or a BM Naruto with a fair chance of winning. It would be a struggle for survival for him.

3. It would be ridiculous. That is why Kishi didn't let it happen.

The entire manga is plot. The OP took away the random cause of death for Itachi. Nagato was injured in battle and suffered side effects from the extremely overpowered Gedo Mazo syncing soul dragon jutsu. It isn't that hard to just take away that single restriction from Itachi due to its random nature.
- How so? In combat, Nagato is capable of using multiple paths at simultaneously. Consider, during his fight with Naruto, Bee and Itachi, why did he not simply extend Asura Path's abilities to his feet, why did he not use his chakra propulsion boots and take to the sky? Two reasons actually; Kishimoto nerfing his abilities and Kabuto, by his own admission, being a noob controlling him (which also extends to Kishimoto nerfing his abilities, he couldn't even give Nagato full mobility or any sort of control over his body even in the very end. Even Itachi got the chance). It's because Nagato is Madara-lite, and you can't have more than one of this kind of power running loose.

- To be fair, I actually have Nagato down for losing to Naruto, although I think, currently, he could defeat Hashirama. In turn, I think Shodaime would beat Naruto, so they actually share a Hashirama > Naruto > Nagato > Hashirama relationship in my eyes. All three of them are very much on the same level and are comparable. I was referring to a complete Nagato, but ok;
  • SM Naruto had info on Pain's abilities
  • Pain exhausted chakra destroying a village
  • Pain fought other members of Konoha before hand
  • Pain was fighting to capture Naruto, not kill him
  • Pain didn't summon his strongest summon (Gedo Mazo), which actually had 7 Bijuu inside
  • Pain destroyed the entire village, effortlessly, with one jutsu
All of which were done by Nagato while he was crippled. Think about that. It still remains that under normal conditions Pain will stomp practically all the characters we've seen thus far, with Madara, Tobi, Naruto, Hashirama being some of the notable exceptions. Nagato himself, is Madara-lite and his abilities are unfairly downplayed. For what reason, I do not know. Do you not believe he could've simply seeked out Orochimaru and demanded Hashirama's DNA? Hell, he could've even gone around absorbing the chakra from random fodders or from the inside of trees, it was that ridiculous. The amount of chakra in Bee's V2 chakra cloak was easily accessible to Nagato, plot simply restricted him. I don't even believe Itachi could've extended to the higher dojutsus, it wasn't in his character to do so. I mean, to take other people's eyes, to going DNA hunting, it simply didn't suit his personality; Kishimoto designed him as a pacifist. Uchiha's take a dark road in their pursuit of power, do you honestly believe Itachi was the kind to go down that route? Hardly. It's all ifs and buts, which can be applied to any character.

- Madara still takes it, rather handily too. Meteors end it. Mokuton suppresses chakra and ends it. Banshou Tenin effortlessly pulls him out of Susanoo, or even strips his Susanoo of their legendary items. Preta Path absorbs Susanoo and forces it to destabilize. Itachi's ninjutsu is fodderized by Preta Path. He couldn't hope to outlast Edo Madara interms of chakra or stamina. And one of his major techniques, Tsukuyomi, is completely and utterly useless in the face of another Uchiha.

The point is, Nagato could've easily overcome his problems, easily. Sure Itachi was restriceted, but so were many other characters, none of them can be singled out. Itachi would've needed to take Sasuke's eyes if he wanted to increase his power, but it was simply out of his character to do so.
 
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- How so? In combat, Nagato is capable of using multiple paths at simultaneously. Consider, during his fight with Naruto, Bee and Itachi, why did he not simply extend Asura Path's abilities to his feet, why did he not use his chakra propulsion boots and take to the sky? Two reasons actually; Kishimoto nerfing his abilities and Kabuto, by his own admission, being a noob controlling him (which also extends to Kishimoto nerfing his abilities, he couldn't even give Nagato full mobility or any sort of control over his body even in the very end. Even Itachi got the chance). It's because Nagato is Madara-lite, and you can't have more than one of this kind of power running loose.

- To be fair, I actually have Nagato down for losing to Naruto, although I think, currently, he could defeat Hashirama. In turn, I think Shodaime would beat Naruto, so they actually share a Hashirama > Naruto > Nagato > Hashirama relationship in my eyes. All three of them are very much on the same level and are comparable. I was referring to a complete Nagato, but ok;
  • SM Naruto had info on Pain's abilities
  • Pain exhausted chakra destroying a village
  • Pain fought other members of Konoha before hand
  • Pain was fighting to capture Naruto, not kill him
  • Pain didn't summon his strongest summon (Gedo Mazo), which actually had 7 Bijuu inside
  • Pain destroyed the entire village, effortlessly, with one jutsu
All of which were done by Nagato while he was crippled. Think about that. It still remains that under normal conditions Pain will stomp practically all the characters we've seen thus far, with Madara, Tobi, Naruto, Hashirama being some of the notable exceptions. Nagato himself, is Madara-lite and his abilities are unfairly downplayed. For what reason, I do not know. Do you not believe he could've simply seeked out Orochimaru and demanded Hashirama's DNA? Hell, he could've even gone around absorbing the chakra from random fodders or from the inside of trees, it was that ridiculous. The amount of chakra in Bee's V2 chakra cloak was easily accessible to Nagato, plot simply restricted him. I don't even believe Itachi could've extended to the higher dojutsus, it wasn't in his character to do so. I mean, to take other people's eyes, to going DNA hunting, it simply didn't suit his personality; Kishimoto designed him as a pacifist. Uchiha's take a dark road in their pursuit of power, do you honestly believe Itachi was the kind to go down that route? Hardly. It's all ifs and buts, which can be applied to any character.

- Madara still takes it, rather handily too. Meteors end it. Mokuton suppresses chakra and ends it. Banshou Tenin effortlessly pulls him out of Susanoo, or even strips his Susanoo of their legendary items. Preta Path absorbs Susanoo and forces it to destabilize. Itachi's ninjutsu is fodderized by Preta Path. He couldn't hope to outlast Edo Madara interms of chakra or stamina. And one of his major techniques, Tsukuyomi, is completely and utterly useless in the face of another Uchiha.

The point is, Nagato could've easily overcome his problems, easily. Sure Itachi was restriceted, but so were many other characters, none of them can be singled out. Itachi would've needed to take Sasuke's eyes if he wanted to increase his power, but it was simply out of his character to do so.
1. I'm saying that his paths seem to lose effectiveness when using multiple paths at a time. That is probably one of the reasons he just fought with Pain. It took him a relatively long time to pull out Naruto's soul when he had to use Preta and Asura paths while doing so. So that leads me to assume that using multiple paths at the same time takes away from the overall power/speed/effectiveness of the path.

2. I still don't know about the Hashi thing. Both combatants are extremely powerful but if Hashi was able to take on Madara with PS and Kurama (just suppressing him but that would take some work with Madara attacking too) then he must have been truly ridiculous. It wouldn't be easy any way especially Nagato starts out with some of his powerful city destroying attacks and using Gedo Mazo. I just think that Hashi would win in the end, especially since he can heal like Tsunade. Nagato could have absorbed chakra from random people but that wasn't in his character, like being evil wasn't in Itachi's.

3. I see what you mean about a healthy Itachi vs Madara thing. What would make the battle easy for Madara is if he could actually pull Itachi out of Susanoo. Then Itachi wouldn't stand a chance. If Itachi ever got EMS, could use PS with spirit weapons, and without being pulled out of it then it would be a good fight between the two. Yea a lot of ifs. Itachi shown would get wrecked.

I see what you mean about the problems/restrictions of characters. Some have to be there to give "realistic" aspects/side effects to certain characters and jutsus. Even DBZ had some restrictions. If you give someone an ability to its highest imagined potential then you get a precrisis Superman or Goku at the end of DBZ. They nerfed Sups and turned Goku into a kid for DBGT (abomination I know) for a reason. My thing is Itachi was given a random disease that had no real reason to infect him other than to nerf him. He was already blind but Kishi still gave him something else. And yea if Nagato was completely evil then he could have been even more powerful as well. Luckily he wasn't. I like him the way he was. The only reason he really lost is fights is because he was A) weakened, or B) outsmarted. He was never truly overpowered for a defeat.
 
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