[Predictions] Naruto Manga 433 Predictions / 432 Discussion
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Ok, if everybody has no ninjutsu. Rocklee will win in a fight but in school Sasuke will get the highest grade. And Naruto will not do that good. But this manga is based on ninjutsu and without inijutsu then it's pretty lame
I think what you're trying to say is that Naruto's taijutsu [quote: hand to hand in combat] is weaker than Neji's. That, is true ! As a matter of fact, Lee, Guy, Sasuke, Guy to name a few are all better in taijutsu than Naruto. But that, my friend, doesn't mean Naruto is weaker, or cannot beat them. Taijutsu isn't everything. Gaara can barely even throw a punch, but he beat Lee. He is better. Kisame has more chakra than Itachi. Does that mean he is better? No. Itachi would beat him because he has other assets. Hidan is better at Taijutsu and has a stronger technique than Shikamaru. Does that mean he is better? No. Shikamaru has other assets.
What I'm trying to say is that there are many assets that make a ninja great.
There's taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, intelligence, chakra reserves, speed, experience, wits, determination etc. Each person has their strong and weak points. Don't say naruto isn't "skilled" because his weak point is taijutsu and intelligence. He has other assets.
Thats exactly right....U hit it right on the nose....
But the fact is....The post i quoted to make my statement, that u quoted from me....
He said wat is sasuke witout his sharringan...i answered him...
So when u answer me the way u did its a whole other opening for arguement..
For no reason....
Yes...ur exactly right...I think what you're trying to say is that Naruto's taijutsu [quote: hand to hand in combat] is weaker than Neji's. That, is true ! As a matter of fact, Lee, Guy, Sasuke, Guy to name a few are all better in taijutsu than Naruto. But that, my friend, doesn't mean Naruto is weaker, or cannot beat them. Taijutsu isn't everything. Gaara can barely even throw a punch, but he beat Lee. He is better. Kisame has more chakra than Itachi. Does that mean he is better? No. Itachi would beat him because he has other assets. Hidan is better at Taijutsu and has a stronger technique than Shikamaru. Does that mean he is better? No. Shikamaru has other assets.
What I'm trying to say is that there are many assets that make a ninja great.
There's taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, intelligence, chakra reserves, speed, experience, wits, determination etc. Each person has their strong and weak points. Don't say naruto isn't "skilled" because his weak point is taijutsu and intelligence. He has other assets.
But im not sayin naruto is weak in anyway....
We know hes strong....Im saying naruto lacks a few things that he will aquire later..
Im jus saying right now i dont think he could beat various ppl...
Let me put it like this...All this originated from saying who naruto could beat...
the 4th..jiriya...and so on....thats where all this strength and whos better came from...
You're right. Neji beat him up a lot. But Naruto has stamina, it allows him to stay in the match. If Kakashi took all those attacks, he would probably have been defeated. Yes he matched Naruto (Kyuubi mode, NO TAILS) and still got an uppercut to his face. Naruto still had energy to run around the whole stadium.
Dude, I like Neji too. But if that fight continued, Naruto would have probably went 1 tails, then 2 , then 3 because of his emotions. Then Neji would have still lost.
Its just me or I see huge texts being writen here more and more ...
Its even hard to read ... to lazy I'm sorry ... Everyone gets smarter ... and me more lazier hahaha
It seems I have low amount of chakra in my brains xDD
Its even hard to read ... to lazy
I'm sorry ... Everyone gets smarter ... and me more lazier hahahaIt seems I have low amount of chakra in my brains xDD
Agreed. Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion on who could beat who. After all, Lee, Neji, Shino, Shikamaru- they are all strong in their own way. So it's possible that any one can win at any time.
i mean thats coo...im glad naruto was able to do that...You're right. Neji beat him up a lot. But Naruto has stamina, it allows him to stay in the match. If Kakashi took all those attacks, he would probably have been defeated. Yes he matched Naruto (Kyuubi mode, NO TAILS) and still got an uppercut to his face. Naruto still had energy to run around the whole stadium.
Dude, I like Neji too. But if that fight continued, Naruto would have probably went 1 tails, then 2 , then 3 because of his emotions. Then Neji would have still lost.
We know the outcome of him continuing to go to 1 to 2 tails maybe....
but its not u....Its ppl tellin me that....Naruto is jus a better fighter than everyone....
If he was a better fighter then he wouldnt get touched in a match....
we all know u can be the best ninja and still loose or die....
but if u were to look back in all the post....ppl were praising naruto....
then discredit every other shinobi on a fighting level....Like they cant hang...
I disagree wtih that....Its like u said....Taijutsu....hand to hand....
Naruto not gone win against a skilled shinobi cause he doesnt have that....
Then ppl will say wat about his clone....But his clones is not everything...
Yes he has won with them and now is usin them more effient...
and jus as a scenario not tryin to display any type of confusin for u or anybody else..
when naruto chased sasuke and fought kimmimaro...He beat all his clones...
I think kimmimaro was older, but wat im saying is he was a skilled fighter non the less...
sorry for that long post....
Think again what you are saying. Defnie "moves" and skills.
Nobody is anything without their moves. Even the kicking is a move. if you walk it is a move. If you dodge it is a move. Naruto without a move will be a tree. And so will be all of us , shinobi or not.
Skills are always learned and developed with experience. Skill is defined as the learned capacity to carry out pre-determined results often with the minimum outlay of time, energy, or both.
Those jutsus depend on the skills. If you do not have skills , you can not master a jutsu. Naruto developed those skills to be able to use them.
We are yet to see Neji naruto fight without Neji's bayakugan. So you cannot predict who would won if they don't use any especial skills.
Sasuke was an skilled ninja wihtout his sharingan, but he was an ordinary ninja without it. He was better than Naruto in the start , but do not forget that he got much better training also. He had his family to teach him basic skills, beside what he learned at the academy for a long time.
Unlike Naruto he was encouraged. remember that most villagers were against naruto's even learniing shinobi skills. They were shown as disagreeing with Third's decesion to teach him. Nobody besides iruka even tried to teach him.
Don't forget that even Sakura pointed out to Sasuke that Naruto knew nothing as he was a lonely orphan and she said it with disdain instead of sympathy. Sasuke gets annoyed with Sakura's comment because he had become an orphan himself at that time
Noruto had no help for a long time. Nobody to explain things to him. Not even from Iruka. Iruka saw him in different light after third hokage talked to him and pointed out that Naruto does all those pranks because he is lonely and wants attention. Iruka also observed him and understood his loneliness while he was cleaning up the painted hokage faces.
Naruto learned Kage bhushinan on his own. Studying it directly from the scroll. it took him years to understand it or master it fully but that was no small feet even at that.
They have come a long way since they graduated. Not everybody learns at the same pace or grows at the same pace.
Sasuke used his sharingan even when fighting Lee and uses it almost all the time since he activated it. Lee was better skilled than him at the time. he always uses it and he used it against Killerbee as soon as the swords came out. he used all he had to fight him.
The equation at the start was :
Sasuke>Naruto>Neji>Lee>Sasuke
So the random comparison in inconclusive.
You cannot decide who was a better student from some random class test. How do they do in college may be quite different.
I think what you're trying to say is that Naruto's taijutsu [quote: hand to hand in combat] is weaker than Neji's. That, is true ! As a matter of fact, Lee, Guy, Sasuke, Guy to name a few are all better in taijutsu than Naruto. But that, my friend, doesn't mean Naruto is weaker, or cannot beat them. Taijutsu isn't everything. Gaara can barely even throw a punch, but he beat Lee. He is better. Kisame has more chakra than Itachi. Does that mean he is better? No. Itachi would beat him because he has other assets. Hidan is better at Taijutsu and has a stronger technique than Shikamaru. Does that mean he is better? No. Shikamaru has other assets.
What I'm trying to say is that there are many assets that make a ninja great.
There's taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, intelligence, chakra reserves, speed, experience, wits, determination etc. Each person has their strong and weak points. Don't say naruto isn't "skilled" because his weak point is taijutsu and intelligence. He has other assets.
Well said and in less words than me. I missed this post otherwise I would not have wasted my time in posting what I just did.
Kushina Uzuma
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lol +1its just me or i see huge texts being writen here more and more ...
Its even hard to read ... To lazy
it seems i have low amount of chakra in my brains xdd
this is a perfect example.....
When i said move u know wat i meant...
Now u took that and ran with it...
Obviously no sharringan means no rasengan or special ability...
and ur right not everybody grows at the same rate..couldnt have sadi it better myself..
But jus because someone exceedes at 1st doesnt mean he slowed down in learning..
he can be caught up too tho...
and sasuke didnt use his sharringan as soon as his sword came out...
i showed that yesterday.....He was fighting him without it at 1st...
and rock lee told him...there is no trick to my speed...lol..
wat u cant see u cant hit....Thats a perfect example of display right there...
sasuke put on his sharringan cause he thought he was gone have the upper hand...
but wat happened....he got his tail handed to him....but none the less...
they are both skilled fighters....Lee was jus more skilled....
Neji got upperhand in the start because he used his 'gentle fist ' technique , a huga clan especiality" when fighting with Naruto.
Lee was much better fighter than him , but he himself admitted that he couldn't beat Huga because of thier especial skills.
In this verse everybody has some kind of advantage over their opponant and their disadvantages. Same person can be weak and strong at the same time , depending on the skills of his opponant at the time.
Naruto doesn't win because of clones alone. He has shown his skills during his fight with Gara as well as Kakuzu. His greatest skill is his ability to withstand stress and strain and his quick thinking during a battle. Working under pressure is not as easy as it may sound.
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No. He used Sharingan as soon as the fight actually started. Vol 45 chapter 411 page14 last picture.
He couldn't escape Killerbee's multiple swords without sharingan. That was the point when fight started. off course he didn't activated as soon as he saw him. Sharingan uses up his chakra. He cannot afford to waste it. There was no point of activating sharingan while Killerbee was writing his lyrics.
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ok....but even then neji was still a match to narutos no tail fox chakra...
cause he had skills regardless of wat he has got from his clan...
But when he saw killer bee at 1st he fought him no sharringan....
ur talkin bout when killer bee brought out the swords.. they fought b4 that...
I never said sasuke didnt need sharringan....
sageofmyobokuzan
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meercy have u noticed that u r the only person who agrees with ur argument?? if no one supports wat u r sayin than doesnt that mean there is probably somethin wrong wit ur logic here?? no less then like 6 ppl have disagreed wit u and yet u still choose to dig urself into a deeper hole, and the facts of the manga do suggest that sasuke relies on the sharingan, yes in the fight wit killerbee he didnt start out usin it, he also didnt hurt or harm killerbee in anyway, he was then forced to use his sharingan to avoid killerbee's somersaulting sword attack, look at the manga its all there
jus cause 6 ppl dont believe me....does that make me wrong ? lol...
u dont have to support me if u dont want too...thats me not them...
and im not diggin myself in a deeper hole..i never said sasuke didnt rely on his sharringan at all...lol..where did u see that in my post ?stop making up things....
and i know wats in the manga i been statin it....
If ppl are getting mad....Then i guess i will stop talkin....Cause this is a opinion like everybody else....
SagePein12
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I love how the topic changed from being a discussion about chapter 432 and predictions to 433... Talking about how strong Naruto would be without using the fox's chakra is great and all but everyone has their own upper edge for a reason... If someone is to talk about how strong a character is at LEAST do it including all the abilities the character has currently and no "What if's" included. I personally think with the current state Naruto is in right now, having the choice to use the fox, sage mode and his attacks I think he could pretty much beat everyone from Konoha 1 vs. 1 (And I mean using Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, not just one or the other...)
Predictions for chapter 433;
We all see that Naruto's sage mode is over and now the time for the battle to turn has come. Pein will now have the upper hand and Hell and God realm are alive for a reason. We all seem to know that God realm is the main body being used for offense, or at least from what I see he has good AOE attacks (Area of effect). Now that Nagato probably stopped the chakra flow to the downed bodies the remaining 2 pein bodies will have their chakra increased more then twice as much as they all started out with and God realm probably has regenerated from the Shira Tensei. We will probably see some of Naruto getting owned now by some concentrated attacks from God Realm and Hell realm just might play a part in a hostage situation with someone that is weak. He might also bring back some body or bodies, maybe the Demon realm pein (The one with the missiles) to keep all the others in Konoha busy.
433 I just see Pein kicking ass and Naruto pretty much until Naruto is pretty much down but he will come back of course one way or another. Or Naruto might actually get captured and then something might happen when he is getting transported?
Predictions for chapter 433;
We all see that Naruto's sage mode is over and now the time for the battle to turn has come. Pein will now have the upper hand and Hell and God realm are alive for a reason. We all seem to know that God realm is the main body being used for offense, or at least from what I see he has good AOE attacks (Area of effect). Now that Nagato probably stopped the chakra flow to the downed bodies the remaining 2 pein bodies will have their chakra increased more then twice as much as they all started out with and God realm probably has regenerated from the Shira Tensei. We will probably see some of Naruto getting owned now by some concentrated attacks from God Realm and Hell realm just might play a part in a hostage situation with someone that is weak. He might also bring back some body or bodies, maybe the Demon realm pein (The one with the missiles) to keep all the others in Konoha busy.
433 I just see Pein kicking ass and Naruto pretty much until Naruto is pretty much down but he will come back of course one way or another. Or Naruto might actually get captured and then something might happen when he is getting transported?
Sigh. I am repeating myself but maybe I was not clear enough last time:
Neji was probably no match for Naruto without his inherited skills. We would never know because it was never shown and of no importance either.
Neji used his espesial ability to fight Naruto and Naruto used his own hidden power to counter Neji's. So, no use of whinning about fox chakra. In the end Naruto outwitted Neji and won the match. He had to prove he had enough skills to win and he did it. End of the story.
When Sasuke first saw Killerbee, the eight tailed Bijju was writing his lyrics. At the first indication of start of the fight, sharingan was activated. I still don't understand what is the point of trying to prove that Sasuke doesn't rely on it.
They all do rely on their hidden power and techniques. Those who don't have anything especial are ordinary shinobies and not even named most of the times.
Whatever...
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