I think you've misunderstood how Oorochimarus body transfer technique works. He basically "infects" the host with his own chakra like a snakes poision that targets ones nervous system, and then he takes the body over, even to the point where the physical body becomes that of Oorochimarus. We can clearly see this transmorgification occuring within Kabuto. Therefor, forthwith, and hither-too, Kabuto will die and Oorchimaru will rise again, like a snake shedding usless skin. VIVA LA OORCHIMARU! hah
[Predictions] Naruto Manga 433 Predictions / 432 Discussion
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ur right..jiriya does have knowledge cause of expierience....jiraiya is a great fighter because he can already think well due to his battle experiences...
both in sage mode, jiraiya would loose in strength and speed, main reason is that a perfected sage mode's strength would be higher than the unperfected one...but dont forget he almost died when naruto's tail went out on fourth level ayt? he said that in manga...just imagine if naruto will be able to control this power or much more (5th or 9th tail) and you'll see their differences...
BUT OF COURSE NARUTO WOULD END UP LOOSING AT THE END given their present skills and knowledge...its really all because he's still young and lacks experience - come to think of ippo makunochi when he fought eiji date...altho ippo was stronger he lost because all because his strength and speed was matched by eiji date's experiences..
im not saying this of my own opinion but according to what i read...but in respect to jiraiya who's my fave usable naruto character in psp, this guy would definitely knock naruto downheheheh
but we aren't sure of naruto's growth because he didn't fought well in full power, we'll see sooner or later...if he can mix up his kyuubi with sage mode, that would mean trouble for the characters in narutoverse 1v1...
and i mean all...
ex. naruto clones in sage mode with the fox cloak; clones are unaffected by sharingan; and clones has the strength and speed of the user as well...clones can perform different jutsus at the same time...like the third's combo during his fight with oro, clones can act like different individuals; not requiring a control like what puppeteers or rinnegan users do...
im jus saying....Well heres a scenario...
when sasuke took down all those shinobis in oro's face...he said himself....
even they called me a genius at that age...But compared to sasuke its nothin....
Meanin sasuke is way more skilled when oro was younger....And he didnt use sharringan...
Thats wat i mean by naruto....At his age now ppl who where back then and now..
Are still better shinobi flat out....As in terms of fight man to man action.....
u use ur rasengan and clones and i use my best tactic defense/attack....
Narutos still out matched to a certain degree....
Also u have to look at the user of any type od skill this way....
Naturally jiriya is wayyyyyyy faster than naruto....
Which means in sage mode he still would be faster but not wayyyyyy....
Cause jiriya is more skilled....I think jiriya got caught slippin wit the 4tails...
Cause he was trying to make naruto angry on purpose to see it....
I dont think he would have got touched if he had time for sage mode....
Anotha scenario jus incase....Oro went head up wit naruto in 4 tail (which i think is bs)....
But still he held his ground...u see wat i mean.... ?
and naruto matched neji but he won on a quick thought and a sucker punch...lol...
i was disappointed at kishi for lettin neji go down with one blow...He hadnt even been touched...lol...But kishi did that to how narutos determination....
As far as sharringan and sage mode....Im not sure of it....
i dont know if he can still be put in genjutsu or not...
i know naruto fox chakra dont matta cause he went in narutos head b4 and stop it...
But i dunno if he still possess that type of skill with out the curse seal...
But itachi did give him amerterasu...so u neva know...
you got a point here, actually i was a bit disappointed too; but come to think of it - FRS was considered as his strongest jutsu, but he used that in the initial fight, pawning one pain, arms unharmed, meaning, if he's confident to use that jutsu, there will be more surprises and stronger jutsus for us to see....
logical reasoning: if we are playing cards; you wouldn't show up an ace confidently, unless you have you're a royal flush to end up the game would ya?
i think that danzou is the one controlling pain. he is close enough to transmit all the chakra, always keeps a lot of himself unexposed/other side of his face. and the 'real' pain could be a very high level "clone" of madara, similar to itachi/kisame's clones when they fought teams 7 and 10, or even his brother.
also i just thought of something
maybe 9 tails is really evil. on the other hand, he could still have certain principles all the same. he's very intent on taking over naruto's body and "returning" to power. but then again, maybe that's just a lack of respect for naruto, since naruto's had such reliance on the kyuubi's power before. now that he's grown so much, maybe he'll have to acknowedge him, and come into a kind of symbiotic state... equal power/freedom. like how the 8 tails was in control of his. they worked pretty good together.
also i just thought of something
maybe 9 tails is really evil. on the other hand, he could still have certain principles all the same. he's very intent on taking over naruto's body and "returning" to power. but then again, maybe that's just a lack of respect for naruto, since naruto's had such reliance on the kyuubi's power before. now that he's grown so much, maybe he'll have to acknowedge him, and come into a kind of symbiotic state... equal power/freedom. like how the 8 tails was in control of his. they worked pretty good together.
POINTS TO PONDER:
1. oro said that sasuke was genius even compared when he was at his young age; we'll see how naruto handles sasuke soon, and if he defeats sasuke or proves himself to be stronger than sasuke in the later manga; we can just conclude that he'll beat the crap off this guys out...
2. the 4th tail almost killing jiraiya, whether slipped or not, is still counted as loose and he almost died; its like with his fight with neji; a lucky punch or not, i wouldn't be able to knock down someone with my own fist if i was that weak puncher right? a win is a win and loose is a loose; its just that this nins underestimate him so much that they ended up eating hitting the ground...whatever the case, he won thru guts, and he was acknowledged by neji himself...you can't change that unless you're kishi...try to read hajime no ippo manga and you'll see some comeback knockdowns
3. Oro went with the 4th tail, imagine this one dude...the 4th tail almost exhausted oro...and were talking about the uncontrolled one, when he pinned down naruto with the 4th tail he was only lucky because yamato caught naruto...but naruto was totally unharmed yet oro was exhausted ayt?
what more when he'll be able to control it together with his sage mode? and naruto has still 5 more tails left ayt? now see the difference...
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Agreed, Naruto may have an ace up his sleeve. But, I doubt it. The only other techniques we are sure of is "that jutsu" which is probably controlling the kyuubi somehow, and itachi's jutsu, which will occur vs Sasuke or Madara. What he may have is a clone somewhere synchronizing with natural chakra to continue sage mode.
And, remember Naruto isn't the smartest shinobi. He may very well have used up his strongest technique already, RS. And he didn't use it to its maximum effect, that's all.
its too early to conclude anything...anyway kishi is the only one who know what is going to happen next - besides you said it that naruto isn't the smartest, and i say that he's not the stupidiest either, since his childhood days as we base it in manga, he wins not only by guts but outwitting them as well...
naruto vs kiba, naruto vs neji, naruto vs gaara, naruto vs kakuzu, etc etc all those wins were almost won by tricking them...
as kakashi said; "that's a former prankster for you"
1. If naruto beats up sasuke in the long run....maybe he actually got his skills up....POINTS TO PONDER:
1. oro said that sasuke was genius even compared when he was at his young age; we'll see how naruto handles sasuke soon, and if he defeats sasuke or proves himself to be stronger than sasuke in the later manga; we can just conclude that he'll beat the crap off this guys out...
2. the 4th tail almost killing jiraiya, whether slipped or not, is still counted as loose and he almost died; its like with his fight with neji; a lucky punch or not, i wouldn't be able to knock down someone with my own fist if i was that weak puncher right? a win is a win and loose is a loose; its just that this nins underestimate him so much that they ended up eating hitting the ground...whatever the case, he won thru guts, and he was acknowledged by neji himself...you can't change that unless you're kishi...try to read hajime no ippo manga and you'll see some comeback knockdowns
3. Oro went with the 4th tail, imagine this one dude...the 4th tail almost exhausted oro...and were talking about the uncontrolled one, when he pinned down naruto with the 4th tail he was only lucky because yamato caught naruto...but naruto was totally unharmed yet oro was exhausted ayt?
what more when he'll be able to control it together with his sage mode? and naruto has still 5 more tails left ayt? now see the difference...
Thats just facts....Jiriya couldnt beat oro at 1st eithier....But he proved his strength quite well when all the sannins battled...And he wasnt even at full strength...It was lesser than oro's in my opinion...
2. But jiriya didnt die..So he didnt really loose...He got naruto to calm down didnt he ? Or knocked sum since in him one... A weak puncher or not....if a weak puncher blind sides sumbody they have the ability to knock u out if he hits u in the right place...
3. But what does oro exhaustion have to do with the fight....?
They pretty much let him go toe to toe wit 4 tails..(like i said b4 bs but hey thats kishi)
And oro knew he wasnt gone flat out win that match he jus wanted to test naruto..
Or i should say his kyyubi power against sasukes cursed seal....
He had all plans of leaving afterwards...
4. And he wasnt lucky by yamato...
Yamato did that because naruto was way too wild and smacked sakura down....
He knew if he didnt stop him then..he couldnt...
5. And sooner or later he will be able to control all the tails maybe...
But i dont see how that reflects anything...Killer be can control his...
And i bet naruto cant whoop killer bee....Cause naruto doesnt have control like that over his bijju....But thats a whole other story...
hahahaaahaha.....lmao.....ewwwwwww....i told you his like michael jackson
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answer to 1. jiraiya is lesser than oro, as he always said that he failed in convincing oro back...so sasuke beat oro whether or not in the weakened state; he was still beaten...so if naruto beats sasuke up that means he really is in a whole new level + the fact that he will beat pain who killed jiraiya; and dont forget that even in sage mode, jiraiya had a hard time hitting these guys...weakened state or not, or whatever reason it is, a loss would still be a loss...its like in boxing, manny pacquiao beat the lights out of golden boy...some said that he was in a weak condition because of the weight etc etc...but in the end the last man standing is the one considered as the champ...
oh well even kishi describes naruto in a way now that he's very strong...based on the manga the elders are telling us like tsunade, shika's dad, pa and ma toad, and almost everyone in konoha that he surpassed his senpais and he's in a whole new level right now,as they say...
some say he's a natural sage user, some gives out other reasons; but at the end of the day it doesnt matter how he performs his jutsu, he trained, was guided and inherited techniques from his senpais...he has his own way of doing things as jiraiya said (during his rasengan training) yet he still accomplished and completed those incomplete jutsus of his superiors...
and besides, with his complete sage mode, even pain has a hard time touching naruto...he already killed 4 but remains untouched, even the same attacks that blew konoha and killed jiraiya like summoning, attacking etc etc were made, it was pretty useless against him...the summons were just thrown ayt? while jiraiya had a hard time dodging this summons' attacks altho he had a choice of doing the same thing like using brute strength against it...
or simply put it, why didn't he attacked the way naruto did during his sage mode?
he had a choice of calling the entire frog platoon but didn't even when his life mattered the most...
answer to 3. exhaustion? it does provide so many things...
first it gives a clue of how tough you are...the longer you last in a battle the tougher you'll be...
oro was pretty much exhausted that time, while naruto was unharmed, even his sword which directly hit naruto didn't pierce...check the mangas and anime...
oro was definitely exhausted...even with his rashumons the chakra ball went thru...
any moment longer he would be simply owned...
answer to 5
well its too early to say this if he can control his bijuu or not, and how strong this ninetail really is...we haven't seen naruto at full power - he's not even scratched by pain yet...besides if sasuke managed to beat oxtail, and naruto beats sasuke, that would be the end of story...let's just watch the next episodes
bottom line is, let's not put off the spot light out of him and let kishi show us how naruto surpass everyone...
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1. I would never say jiriya is lesser than oro....
Oro may have had a small upper hand on jiriya seemin that he stole akatskui handbook...
But thats it....Jiriya>>>Oro.....Oro always thought...More moves the better I am...
That was oros problem....He was over confident...Thats why the 3rd snatched his lil ragedy hands away from him...
Even sasuke knew he couldnt take oro out if he was 100...That means alot still....
I mean that holds value...U cant X it out cause he still won the match....
Even the water user ( cant think of his name right now, wit sasuke) told sasuke...
He got lucky and got to kill oro b4 sumbody else....he was playin around but it was tru...
Fact is naruto is strong....He has fox chakra and sage mode....
Always getting a power move by sumbody...Hes damn near unstoppable....
But in honesty....You can be the strongest character ever....
You will be defeated or can be....And naruto can still be defeated in his current state...
Without proper expierience and the smarts to think ahead quickly...
Naruto is still sum wat of a under achiever....
If u give lee, nejii, sage mode or fox chakra....Would they not be better than naruto ?
Mainly because hand to hand combat...Their already good....
Its like kakashi wit out sharringan..I kno he can still kick alot of shinobis ass..lol..
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This is the reason why we have long discussions...bringing back dead people would not help us out...someone always say "what if neji has demon chakra or anybody else", or "what if naruto doesn't have this etc etc but" the truth is, naruto's the main char of the plot, kishi designed the story and gave him demon chakra - specifically a late bloomer because he looks pretty weak during his childhood, always winning or knocking down opponents by an inch; whether or not he's against geniuses...he wins, but there is too much drama behind it...hahaha...if you want other characters to have the demon chakra or use naruto's technique then make your own manga because kishi would not do it...hehehe
right now everyone in konoha is relying upon him, not getting in his way, meaning naruto is their last resort (for the time being) its like kishi is describing him as the hero, who inherited the 4th and jiraiyas jutsus...well let's all enjoy the story cuz i really can't wait what chapter 433 holds...hell yeah, kishi should finish this! hahahaha
damn i want my idol kakashi back!
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im jus sayin wat if because this whole arguement is based off...This is the reason why we have long discussions...someone always say "what if neji has demon chakra or anybody else", or "what if naruto doesn't have this etc etc but" the truth is, naruto's the main char of the plot, kishi designed the story and gave him demon chakra - specifically a late bloomer because he looks pretty weak during his childhood, always winning or knocking down opponents by an inch; whether or not he's against geniuses...he wins, but there is too much drama behind it...hahaha...if you want other characters to have the demon chakra or use naruto's technique then make your own manga because kishi would not do it...hehehe
right now everyone in konoha is relying upon him, not getting in his way, meaning naruto is their last resort (for the time being) its like kishi is describing him as the hero, who inherited the 4th and jiraiyas jutsus...well let's all enjoy the story cuz i really can't wait what chapter 433 holds...hell yeah, kishi should finish this! hahahaha
damn i want my idol kakashi back!
Is naruto really that good or not....ppl keep sayin hes that good...
But when a scenario is brought up....Its naruto got...rasengan, RS, FRS, Fox Chakra,
Sage Mode.... As soon as I or anybody else says....Ok...With out that...
How great is naruto ? Then they say u can take his skillz away....
So i cant take them away and i cant give anybody any to show the difference....
Its like ppl defend naruto to tha last drop cause they want him to be more than wat he is..
Ive said it ova and ova....Yea naruto is strong.....But thats it.....
Do i think he can whoop neji...No....Do i think he can whoop lee...No...
Kakashi No....Jiriya No....the 4th or any hokage, mizukage, purple hokage No....
Cause all those ppl dont play when they fight....They get the match over quickly....
Or they are just plain faster than naruto.....When he becomes hokage....
He will aquire the skillz to be all of that...As of right now No...im sorry....Thats logic in regards to the manga...
naruto is just naruto that's it...its too early to say what he is capable of the moment...
anyway the story is not based on what you think, like what you posted...its kishi who owns the story
based on the story, he beat neji, based on the story he defeated the guy who broke lee's leg and almost broke his future...based on the story he killed kakuzu which gave kakashi a hard time and he's now fighting pain who beat up kakashi again, (my idol), and killed jiraiya...if you still want to form other match ups or other story...
make your own manga
very simple by the way we are both getting out of the thread's topic...it says 433 predictions meaning, all of the things that we were talking about would not happen in chapter 433...and that's definite, hehehe
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its not based on wat u think eithier...so y did u argue this long ?naruto is just naruto that's it...its too early to say what he is capable of the moment...
anyway the story is not based on what you think, like what you posted...its kishi who owns the story
based on the story, he beat neji, based on the story he defeated the guy who broke lee's leg and almost broke his future...based on the story he killed kakuzu which gave kakashi a hard time and he's now fighting pain who beat up kakashi again, (my idol), and killed jiraiya...if you still want to form other match ups or other story...
make your own manga
by the way we are both getting out of the thread's topic...it says 433 predictions meaning, all of the things that we were talking about would not happen in chapter 433...and that's definite, hehehe
Ur basin it on (the story) or who naruto beat...Im basing it on skill....point blank....
I dont care who naruto beat....It was all on luck...Not skill...How bout that....
u can make ur own manga if u want too....
and theres countless of threads that get off topic....so i stand firm....
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