Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside)

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I think Kisame and Second Mizukage take this. We already have evidence to support that Muu and the second Mizukage are pretty much equal. But Adding Kisame (with his massive chakra reserve and samada) to the Mizukage would give them an edge because they are both extremely powerful water users so they can work well together. Kukazu got KO'd by an (at the time) jonin level naruto, Kisame would utterly rape him.

IMO this goes to Kisame and Mizukage.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I think Kisame and Second Mizukage take this. We already have evidence to support that Muu and the second Mizukage are pretty much equal. But Adding Kisame (with his massive chakra reserve and samada) to the Mizukage would give them an edge because they are both extremely powerful water users so they can work well together. Kukazu got KO'd by an (at the time) jonin level naruto, Kisame would utterly rape him.

IMO this goes to Kisame and Mizukage.
Now don't forget, that not even kakashi with his sharingan could see Naruto's entire attack

and kakashi is by many considered something of a genius, hell he was even made hokage.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Draw cause 2nd mizukage and Muu both died fighting each other.
kisame=kakuzu but if anything I would give the edge to kakuzu team I thing when pair with anyone he is better at team work
Interesting how you would say a draw. :D
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

To your last part however, I doubt a killing blow to one of Kakuzu's hearts equals a killing blow to Kisame. I mean, Kisame tanked a noon tiger, and didn't die. I can't think of very many shinobi would would not have died from that. So clearly, it would take a lot more than a raiton attack in water to kill Kisame.
I agree with you on that one, Kisame in water is strong but if it can help to stall him for a brief moment of time, then Kakuzu has other element's to complete the job.:)

If all 5 of them (Kakuzu and 4 heart's) start running on the opposite direction to each other, then Kisame can not trap all of them since he can follow only 1 person to keep him inside, so 4 of them are gonna get out of his water dome instantly and they can hit him simultaneously until he dies.

If he traps Kakuzu there are four heart's outside, if he goes for heart then there are 3 heart's and Kakuzu himself is outside, either way Kakuzu is gonna eat a roasted Shark at the cause of one heart.xd

Having luxury of multiple lives, body and elemental affinity is what enables Kakuuzu to pull this off.
 
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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I agree with you on that one, Kisame in water is strong but if it can help to stall him for a brief moment of time, then Kakuzu has other element's to complete the job.:)

If all 5 of them (Kakuzu and 4 heart's) start running on the opposite direction to each other, then Kisame can not trap all of them since he can follow only 1 person to keep him inside, so 4 of them are gonna get out of his water dome instantly and they can hit him simultaneously until he dies.

If he traps Kakuzu there are four heart's outside, if he goes for heart then there are 3 heart's and Kakuzu himself is outside, either way Kakuzu is gonna eat a roasted Shark at the cause of one heart.xd

Having luxury of multiple lives, body and elemental affinity is what enables Kakuuzu to pull this off.
It's possible. If he has the time, Muu could use a jinton on the momentarily paralyzed Kisame...but then again, it may not work in that fashion. That is a scenario however in which Kakuzu and Muu win.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I agree with most of your points but Kakuzu does have lighting style and lighting>water, that would give kakuzu a bite advantage over Kisame and Second Mizukage and Muu invisibility would give his team another advantage over Kisame and Second Mizukage let's be real here you can't fight someone you can't see.
Remember in the manga that the 2nd mizukage and muu fight to the death.. They kill each other. Dont under estimate the 2nd mizukage.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

It's possible. If he has the time, Muu could use a jinton on the momentarily paralyzed Kisame...but then again, it may not work in that fashion. That is a scenario however in which Kakuzu and Muu win.
Interesting battle
you have two water masters complimenting one another, even covering each-others weaknesses.
verses
two monsters, one has multiple lives/ All natures (powerful) and the other is a flying, Keki-tota Dust user.

The real team that will win is the team that works better with one another. I can see the Mizukage team working better. Because you have two users that individually have devastating attacks however each of them can instead combo their attacks and make even more powerful Water jitsu's.
Now the other team seems to be more of a one verses multiple battler. Both have long-range attacks that take out a large area. Then one can completely erase his existence (invisible) and that will only increases the chance of friendly fire. So he will be holding back some of his power or will not be able to attack directly because of Kakuzu's multi-attacks.The attacks can also get in the way of one another and even cancel one another out. The only saving grase is that one can hope that the 2nd Turshikage can avoid most/all of the attacks/friendly fire due to his amazing sensory ability and hope that Kakazu can counteract the Massive Hydro jitsu's.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Team Mizukage vs Team Tsuchikage

As with my previous thread is a new variation in my Kage vs Kage Threads by including any shinobi that are Akatsuki or Jinchurikis and pairing them with a Kages/Sannins to create more diversity and strategic play in fights.

This is a thread highlighting the strength of Kisame and the Second Mizukage but unlike my other threads it has no bias, and is therefore showing why either team could win. Simply you just ignore the title as I wrote it that way for people to recognize it was one of my threads.








Strengths and Weaknesses of the Mizukage's Hozuki Transformation

Strengthened by Water techniques as they increase the overall volume of the user of the technique.

Immunity to Wind Techniques as they only work if of a massive magnitude against a increased volume Hozuki user.

Immunity to Earth Techniques as they are solid and usually require the user to hit the opponent directly. Earth traps will also fail as the user can simply seep out of the technique.

Immunity to most fire techniques as the Water > Fire nature of things, but there are exceptions for certain fire techniques and fire release users.

Immunity to Lightning Techniques in his Oil Based Transformation due to oil being a natural insulator meaning he can theoretically eliminate all of this Jutsu’s weaknesses.

Weakness against very strong fire techniques as the intensity means the user evaporates the user or simply overwhelms the water based technique.

Severe Weakness against lightning when he is in his Water Based form as the whole user becomes a liquid (impure water) means that the Di-Charged nature of water (containing both positive and negative minerals) means that it conducts electricity so dangerous and efficiently means the user is electrocuted over and over as they are a complete circuit.

Combined Tactics for Kisame and the Second Mizukage​

-Fusion Mode Sensory abilities + Heat Sensing Clam
This would act as a perfect counter to Muu's invisibility as the Mizukage's clam would sense the heat generated by the Second's body (can't eliminate that) and Kisame's heightened senses would immediately detect his Chakra due to Samehada's natural affinity with it.

-Great Shark Water Bullet + Large Scale Mizukage Water Tech
Kisame and the Mizukage can also combine both of their most powerful projectile water based attacks by fueling Kisame's Great Shark water bullet meaning once it eats through the chakra of the Mizukage's greatest water technique it would become literally unstoppable even against Kakuzu's wind infused fire release techniques meaning it could potentially One hit K.O Kakuzu with Muu being forced to split.

-Steaming Danger Tyranny + Clam Genjutsu
The Mizukage could also activate his infinite exploding clone then immediately use his Clam Genjutsu on Kakuzu once Muu goes into the skies or purses Kisame effectively momentarily making the odds 2 vs 1, giving them enough time to overwhelm Muu by catching him in a Water Prison then returning to Kakuzu once the Tsuchikage has been killed.

-Final Resort:Water Prison Jutsu + Hydrification Technique
This can be used as a combined final resort/trump card technique by Kisame and the Mizukage in which Kisame uses his Water Prison Jutsu while fusing with Samehada, then allowing the Mizukage to merge with the Water Prison creating a sentient body of water to support Kisame while he drowns Kakuzu and Muu whilst simultaneously attacking them to speed it up.

It would also make the Mizukage immense in size being able to tank Kakuzu's largest fire techniques without much difficulty then catching him in the immense prison (by moving towards him) and allowing Kisame to devour him.

Combined Tactics for Kakuzu and the Second Tsuchikage

-Aerial Support from Large Scale Water Techniques
Muu could use his ability of flight in conjunction with his large scale Earth techniques to create a wall(s) large enough to endure Kisame's largest water techniques.

This would be useful for Kakuzu as the height of the terrain could be warped so that he's above them giving him optimum conditions to bombard them with elemental attacks.

-Dust Release + Large Scale Elemental Attacks
Muu could use Dust Release in conjunction with Kakuzu's 4 Hearts separated from him to overwhelm the opponents with these attacks eventually resulting in them to be forced into situtions where either Kakuzu or Muu would land a direct hit.

Kakuzu's Fire Release volleys would be devastating for the Mizukage as it would only increase his dehydration level, reduce his performance level meaning he could easily be hit by one of Muu's Jintons.

-Earth Technique: Iron Skin Hardening + Quake of Large Boulders
Kakuzu can also harden his skin to its utmost limits and when combined with his Earth Grudge Transformation he is a force to be reckoned with as his thousnads of threads can be used as a long range method to restrain Kisame and the Second Mizukage then allow Muu to drop immense rocks on all of them with Kakuzu being able to tank the boulders with the other two being crushed.

To ensure this method works Kakuzu could leave one of his hearts separate from him so if all of his hearts are indeed crushed it can re-enter his body and revive him.

-Final Resort: Terrain Warping Earth Techniques + Earth Grudge Fear
As a final resort Kakuzu could enter his Earth Grudge Fear integrating all of his hearts and masks into his body combined with Muu warping the terrain on a large scale with Earth Release techniques meaning the Mizukage and Kisame would have to avoid landing for extended periods of time.

This is made worse by Kakuzu would constantly pursue them from a distance and use elemental volleys to limit their movements with each attack that narrowly misses the Mizukage having the added effect of furthering his dehydration and ultimately lowering his performance.

His black threads could also be used to attempt to capture them while his masks act independently on his shoulders.




I'd have to say I pretty much agree with everything you said, let's face it kakuzu is the handicap for Muu though I mean I honestly believe he is on a lower level then the other three
 

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I'd have to say I pretty much agree with everything you said, let's face it kakuzu is the handicap for Muu though I mean I honestly believe he is on a lower level then the other three
I like you choice :D:D
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

LOL, it is very easy, Muu can fly out of Kisame's water dome but kisame can not follow him since he can not fly, then all Muu need is a single large Jinton to disintegrate Kisame along with his jutsu.
And Kisame has no long range justu?Going by your argument anyone who can't fly can't beat Mū,which is more or less everyone.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Draw cause 2nd mizukage and Muu both died fighting each other.
which was a final fight in a long rivalry/feud. it doesnt mean they will always kill each other in a fight

Remember in the manga that the 2nd mizukage and muu fight to the death.. They kill each other. Dont under estimate the 2nd mizukage.
even though we dont know what happened and mizukage probably got muu via luck?
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

And Kisame has no long range justu?Going by your argument anyone who can't fly can't beat Mū,which is more or less everyone.
You asked me how Muu is gonna tackle Kisame's Dai Bakusui Shōha, i gave you a proper counter on how he is gonna escape it, and that does not apply on every person, i never said that every flaying person is OP, but yes in this case there is nothing Kisame can do to hit Muu when he is flaying out of his range.
 
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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Wow the debate on this thread has to be the best so far, maybe because this is the most balanced fight i've created with the most possibilities due to the versatility of all the fighters

My next one will definitely be like this
 
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