Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

[0moi]

Madara said it himself, that Izuna is dead. =)

1. Yeah i know, but think about a situation, where u are nearly death and need someone to do your job, or revive u. So as an Uchiha i guess Madara is a good contrast to obito, so better raise one to a top shinobi, as time passes on to have someone who will complete your plan. I think he didnt had much of a choice.

2. Well the latest chapter showed us, that Kakashi and Tobi are using the Same Dimension, and well if ever MS Techs is unique this would mean, that also this Dimension is unique. So it is already a 100% Prove, of beeing Obitos Eye, still it also can be someone using Obitos Eye, but u cannot recall this as an invalid arguement. I know u may say Amaterasu, Tsukyomi or Sasuno are not unique. Yes they are not, but i think this thechniques are mostly free for all MS users, but if u look at Shisui Tech, an Kakashis/Tobis...u can see that it is impossbile to gain this ability as an Uchiha without having the genes. Maybe it has something to do with near blood relation. But like we saw, that Sasuke has the ability to use Kagetsuchi/ an erase Ametarasu, thats something Itachi could not do~

3. It is, but not a bad one

4. Well, if u look at Tobis Arms when they get lquid they were also not Zetsu colored. Fight Tobi vs Minato. Color does not mean anything ;D

3. My point exactly, people always say "DERP! his right side was completely crushed DERP! his eye was crushed too". Obito's entire right side was under that boulder, head included. Meaning half of his brain would've been completely crushed, killing him instantly, yet he was talking to Rin & Kakashi.

Furthermore Tobi is using this said "crushed" eye so that statement no longer applies. Shinobi or not they are still humans, severe brain damage can\will kill you instantly. The Will of Fire can't even keep you alive that long . Obito wasn't crushed to death, this statement is no long a fact either.

& Edge you of all posters no double-posting is a n00b's mistake chief xd

 

[CudaJoe]

Well I already said it and I will say it again. If Obito is Tobi, lets say Obito already unlocked his MS abilities. LETS SAY HE USED the MS ability of his right eye. What looks like an Obito crushed under a boulder might actually be an Obito partially in another dimension tricking Rin and Kakashi into thinking he's dead.

Why would he do this? Dunno, thats part of the plot. He must have alternative motives.

Just like when Tobi acts like a fool to Deidara and missleads him into thinking Tobi's just a nobody. NO Uchiha acts like a fool in the complete series of Naruto to date... Its not in their genes lol. Another hint to Obito ='s Tobi.

Also Tobi's mask only had one eye opening this entire time. The other eye was covered up. WHY?! Well... why does Kakashi cover his MS eye? Why does Danzo cover ALL of his MS eyes??? Why does Danzo's henchman goon with the Byakugan transplanted eye cover his?
The answer is to save chakra as an eye that see's and is constantly activated is a drain on the Chakra.

Really brings light to the fact that Tobi's left eye is a transplanted MS eye.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Ok..*takes breath*.First off if you believe Obito...and Tobi..That one guy with the mask? Are the same? You can dismiss yourself from this thread now. It's impossible simply because Madara Edo Uchiha actually knows who Mask Man is..OBITO was not born in the Madara era at all! You NB'ers can wipe the sweat now, to business. I'm starting with putting down my knowledge of Naruto. I am very thorough and do extensive research and waiting to say anything about anything in Naruto. I believe Setsuna Uchiha could easily be Tobi i'll make it easy. Before you read, YES..You can sometimes base who another person is off of looks or types of jutsu (keyword sometimes)

Why?
- Facial structure, I looked over the Konan fight when the mask was broken and compared faces to him and Setsuna. Hair and eyebrows and beginning stages of eye aging under Setsuna's eye in the wiki pic and in the manga. Very similar.

- He was against the Second Hokage from the get go for always assuming the Uchiha were up to something which eventually spoke into truths. Kagami on the other hand was
actually apart of Tobirama's damn team! So someone that looks similar that is for the 2nd? or someone that looks similar that is against the 2nd?

-They said Setsuna dies, but anything is very possible in the Manga up to this point. Just how they say Kagami dies but yet NB'ers resurrect him through their mind constantly and write threads about it.

- Setsuna being from the first generation could be a candidate for Tobi because Tobi has extensive knowledge of his clan, senjus, ninja history, OLD fuinjutsu techniques, if he stayed alive up until the latest chapter.

- Est. relationships - Madara Uchiha (therefore could possibly know Izuna and other old clansmen from 1st Uchiha generation), Kakashi Hatake, Gai Sensei, Danzo Shimura. He knows a wide variety of ninja branched through many generations already. add any if I missed.

- Setsuna and masked man have the same style of dress and the weapon sash, and random face mask.

- For the people that say it couldn't be Setsuna just becasue he is so random and far removed..Why wouldn't it make sense to make it some one far fetched and inconspicuous? Just because he looks
low-level uchiha" wth does that even mean..

- Setsuna could have survived this long due to different jutsu he already knows. He replaced his arm after the Konan fight right? exactly.

- His sharingan are is his own. Not Obitos. When he fought Konan it was revealed that he clearly had 2 sharingan. Wether they are original we don't know but I will say they are. As far as the kamui dimension stuff, No one even REALLY knows if it is his eyes or a jutsu he is using to de-materialize and send objects back and forth. BUT one thing is certain that it is not Obitio's eyes. The boy was clearly crushed on the right side let him rest lol

- He had an ORIGINAL copy of the Senju armistice treaty from shinobi world war 1, that he showed Sasuke after the Itachi v. Sasuke fight. SIGNED BY THE UCHIHA CLAN! Sooo..How could Obitio..Dead Obitio come into possession of such a document? oh through his unmentioned Dad Kagami I forgot -_-


- Everyone is forgetting he is able to use Rinnengan. But we don't know if he has senju blood or using 1st cells. hmmmm?

- Remember this, Madara attacked the leaf with the 9tails, then a second attack from masked man years later. Madara died between that time and he was already previously working with Masked Man before his death because they both know of the transplant of rinnengan to Nagato!


So..Let's talk.

maybe u should leave this thread. madara died long after his supposed 'era' . he could have met obito much later. the only problem is that madara knew nagato, but kishi often screws up the timeline. last 2 chapters have made obito a real possibility to be tobi

 

[0moi]

maybe u should leave this thread. madara died long after his supposed 'era' . he could have met obito much later. the only problem is that madara knew nagato, but kishi often screws up the timeline. last 2 chapters have made obito a real possibility to be tobi

Agreed TheKage is being a butt\troll\jock haha chief is obviously in denial smh its sad actually....

He's still using appearance as a voucher to make his assumptions, which is the wrong way to go by this, given the current situations in NARUTO.

....& HE THINKS SETSUNA IS TOBI!!!! :rofl:Chief delete your user lol

FTR:
Past Tobi [Striped]: Danzou Shimura
Current Tobi [Spiral & Sharinnegan]: Obito Uchiha

 

[Bloodytaste]

Well I already said it and I will say it again. If Obito is Tobi, lets say Obito already unlocked his MS abilities. LETS SAY HE USED the MS ability of his right eye. What looks like an Obito crushed under a boulder might actually be an Obito partially in another dimension tricking Rin and Kakashi into thinking he's dead.

Why would he do this? Dunno, thats part of the plot. He must have alternative motives.

Just like when Tobi acts like a fool to Deidara and missleads him into thinking Tobi's just a nobody. NO Uchiha acts like a fool in the complete series of Naruto to date... Its not in their genes lol. Another hint to Obito ='s Tobi.

Also Tobi's mask only had one eye opening this entire time. The other eye was covered up. WHY?! Well... why does Kakashi cover his MS eye? Why does Danzo cover ALL of his MS eyes??? Why does Danzo's henchman goon with the Byakugan transplanted eye cover his?
The answer is to save chakra as an eye that see's and is constantly activated is a drain on the Chakra.

Really brings light to the fact that Tobi's left eye is a transplanted MS eye.

Then i may ask everyone why does he not cover his right eye? If it is transplanted, would it not be a waste of chakra. I mean he coverd a sharingan at the left side because it was tranplanted...but why not cover the right then? He got the Rinnegan now, so it wont be a problem to cover the right one. I mean they only cover eyes so their eyes stay closed. I really think that his right eye is Tobis own eye, cuz he never covers it. So his left eye was a tranplanted normals sharingan eye. His left eye is Madaras Rinnegan Eye, thats because Nagatos Eye were Madaras. so Edo Madara is something like a Zombie Clone of Madara with Madaras Soul, thats how i would discribe Edo Tensei.

 

[CudaJoe]

Then i may ask u why does he not cover his right eye? If it is transplanted, would it not be a waste of chakra. I mean he coverd a sharingan at the left side because it was tranplanted...but why not cover the right then? I mean he got the Rinnegan now, so it wont be a problem to cover the right one. I mean they only cover eyes so their eyes stay closed. I really think that his right eye is Tobis own eye, cuz he never covers it.

Because I was leading towards the theory that Tobi is Obito. His right eye is his own eye, not a transplanted eye.

My theory is Obito has always been a dark character with alternative motives. He put on a show as a character similar to Naruto to throw off the reader and his comrades. He was complaining about how he hasnt unlocked his sharigan / MS yet. In my experience, anyone trying to point out a flaw is really leading their opponent into a false sense of superiority.

I think Obito used his right eyes ability which seems to be S/T transportation to keep part of his body from really being crushed by the boulder (Tobi = Obito theory). Sakura eluded to it when she said "If its true that he can make his whole body dissappear, then he can make parts of his body dissappear."

 

[0moi]

Because I was leading towards the theory that Tobi is Obito. His right eye is his own eye, not a transplanted eye.

My theory is Obito has always been a dark character with alternative motives. He put on a show as a character similar to Naruto to throw off the reader and his comrades. He was complaining about how he hasnt unlocked his sharigan / MS yet. In my experience, anyone trying to point out a flaw is really leading their opponent into a false sense of superiority.

I think Obito used his right eyes ability which seems to be S/T transportation to keep part of his body from really being crushed by the boulder (Tobi = Obito theory). Sakura eluded to it when she said "If its true that he can make his whole body dissappear, then he can make parts of his body dissappear."

Has it ever occurred to you guys that Nagato was indeed born with his rinnegan? He WAS the original Prophecy Child, meaning he was like the 2nd coming of SO6P. Being the 2nd coming of something means carrying their beliefs, possessing their powers, or in this case his eyes.

Madara didn't give Nagato his eyes. As a matter of fact the real Madara has not once brought up giving Nagato his eyes. But Tobi [at the time still claiming to be Madara] said he did. This statement may very will be true, let me elaborate.

As you all know, I believe the man who was originally behind the mask was Danzou Shimura. Danzou, as a Konohagakure Elder, gave the orders to the shinobi that pillaged Nagato's village the night his parents were killed, which in turn awaken his rinnegan for the first time. So in a sense Danzou is the reason Nagato awakened it, by giving him his first "Great Pain"

Danzou being the original Tobi "Madara" has a persona that must be upheld by whoever becomes Tobi "Madara". But when the statement was made by Tobi "Madara" saying he gave Nagato his rinnegan, it was Obito who was staying in character [the persona of Tobi "Madara"]

[Danzou with the help of Orochimaru may have done experiments on Obito planning on him becoming the new Tobi, Obito being somewhat still alive only because of them went along with the experiments. But Obito's focus was on Rin, she didn't know he was still alive, & he was still in love with her. Obito's mindset may have interfered with the experiments. You all know how Danzou is, he eliminates any obstacles that slow down his goal (To rule Konohagakure with an iron fist, yet still protecting it). He kills Rin, thinking it would bring Obito's concertration back, but it does the exact opposite. Obito now wants to kill Danzou & his goals ..... I'm stopping here on that]

0moi: "that last part was just something I added which would explain Obito's motives to destroy Konohagakure"

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[Bloodytaste]

Because I was leading towards the theory that Tobi is Obito. His right eye is his own eye, not a transplanted eye.

My theory is Obito has always been a dark character with alternative motives. He put on a show as a character similar to Naruto to throw off the reader and his comrades. He was complaining about how he hasnt unlocked his sharigan / MS yet. In my experience, anyone trying to point out a flaw is really leading their opponent into a false sense of superiority.

I think Obito used his right eyes ability which seems to be S/T transportation to keep part of his body from really being crushed by the boulder (Tobi = Obito theory). Sakura eluded to it when she said "If its true that he can make his whole body dissappear, then he can make parts of his body dissappear."

true, but well its Kishi it will not surprise me if he trolls us again and we see him beeing Tenten.

 

[vUmbrav]

Well I already said it and I will say it again. If Obito is Tobi, lets say Obito already unlocked his MS abilities. LETS SAY HE USED the MS ability of his right eye. What looks like an Obito crushed under a boulder might actually be an Obito partially in another dimension tricking Rin and Kakashi into thinking he's dead.

Why would he do this? Dunno, thats part of the plot. He must have alternative motives.

Just like when Tobi acts like a fool to Deidara and missleads him into thinking Tobi's just a nobody. NO Uchiha acts like a fool in the complete series of Naruto to date... Its not in their genes lol. Another hint to Obito ='s Tobi.

Also Tobi's mask only had one eye opening this entire time. The other eye was covered up. WHY?! Well... why does Kakashi cover his MS eye? Why does Danzo cover ALL of his MS eyes??? Why does Danzo's henchman goon with the Byakugan transplanted eye cover his?
The answer is to save chakra as an eye that see's and is constantly activated is a drain on the Chakra.

Really brings light to the fact that Tobi's left eye is a transplanted MS eye.

These fanfiction theories are getting funnier and funnier. Btw Obito had only just awakened his Sharingan. How does he suddenly develop MS?

 

[vUmbrav]

@0moi WHEN Tobi is revealed to not be Obito you'll be the first person I taunt.

 

[lorul2]

@0moi WHEN Tobi is revealed to not be Obito you'll be the first person I taunt.

He..He..He

BTW Omoi, it seems you have changed on Tobi's real identity, that's ok Bro.

I think I'll need a week to call out all the Anti-Obito bed-wetters.

 

[yetanotheruser]

I didn't read all the posts regarding Obitos eye, but according to

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Kamui can be invoken:

If one spends a lot of time and trains one's chakra over and over again, this technique can be invoked.

If this is true, it doesn't have to be Obitos eye.

But come on guys. Obito is a joke.

 

[Bloodytaste]

These fanfiction theories are getting funnier and funnier. Btw Obito had only just awakened his Sharingan. How does he suddenly develop MS?

Madara & Tobi connection would be the best way to explain this, if tobi is Obito Madara has to be his Master to make him this strong, anything else would be as u said to funny~ But well its Kishi so troll me maybe~

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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Tobi's height: 175 cm
Tobi's weight: 55.9 kg

Izuna's height: 174.8 cm
Izuna's weight: 55.9 kg

Also, there is virtually no difference between them in height since we're talking in terms of centimeters.

Because people stay the same height and weight for over 100 years.

Elder son, elder son, elder son, elder son...

Nuff said.

Because having swirls in your eyes allows you to live thousands of years. They also make you wait to enact your plan for who knows how long and then meet some guy who's substantially weaker than you, and work UNDER him in a plan the two of you form.

One thing I know for sure is that Tobi is not Obito. If he was then Kishi will be absolutely hammered by the community in outrage.

That doesn't matter. Kishi will do what he wants with HIS manga. Regardless of what fans think. Kagami would be hammered even harder than Obito for the record.

Kishi will write his manga the way he wants to. If Tobi is Obito and you don't like it then too bad. Get over it and wait for the backstory before you get judgmental.

Lists no development as a reason for Kagami not being Tobi



Goes on to say that Obito could be Tobi.

Obito had alot of development. Have you read Gaiden? Be rational if you want to debate with someone.

Obito has large amounts of development, whereas Kagami was shown in 2 panels. He has no development and it would be pointless for him to be Tobi.

So much speculation. You don't honestly believe that Tobi has the ability to go through time at will do you? It's not Time magic bro, gimme a break. Like I said earlier, no one would mind it being Obito if it was possible that it could be him. It's a plot hole if it was. You can't literally MAKE UP a reason for HOW Obito could have done it. That has no basis and therefore is far less likely to be true. You're being willfully ignorant about this.

You also have no basis whatsoever besides saying we don't anything about Kagami? That's ridiculous. We know just as much about Kagami as we do Obito if you really think about it. All we know about Obito is he died with a rock on half his body and gave his Sharingan to Kakashi. Plus no one has ever mentioned the fact that it took Kakashi quite a while to awaken his MS but somehow Tobi was trained by Madara to become all powerful. This is stretch after stretch after stretch in these theories. How could you possibly expect it to be accurate with so many guesses? The best part about the Kagami theory is that there are very few of those in it. It's open to possibility so it can't be counted out. I base my thoughts on how things CAN'T be not the things that COULD be.

The Zetsu clone theory is almost as stupid as the Obito theory because it's also speculation.

ALL the Tobi theories are speculation. You'd think think that would be common sense. Every single theory is speculation until one of them is proven right.

Also, do you not realize that every bit of the Kagami theory is pure speculation based on no manga facts? he could have been anything people want. People say he could be this, he could be that, but so what? It's just a fan fic.

Obito shouldn't even be an option ... those who follow the manga properly know that it's not possible solely for the timeline reason + logical reasons.
Future Sasuke is missing OP

There's nothing in the timeline to specifically contradict Tobi being Obito.

 

[Bloodytaste]

Tobi is your Mom
is right.
Obito could be tobi now again~ Well i think this was hinted from the very beginning until the very end now, and i dont think that any other character has so much theoretical connection by hints of beeing Tobi. Even Gaiden has already a nice hint. (Part where Obito uses his Eye Medicine/Water/whatever it was. He only used it on his right eye(this points really out)...i mean wtf who needs such thing in this manga just get some fu**ing glasses or let a medic nin cure this, there are so many jutsus...also wearing this orange divingglasses sure looks stupid...did Obito think he was a trendsetter? this sure could be another hint for beein a pre -Masky Mask ~
nuff said~

 

[yetanotheruser]

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Because having swirls in your eyes allows you to live thousands of years. They also make you wait to enact your plan for who knows how long and then meet some guy who's substantially weaker than you, and work UNDER him in a plan the two of you form.

Because Tobi isn't a woman.

He would fit very well as the final villain.

We still have to find out what actually happened when the elder fought the younger son, why his eyes have/had an unique pattern, and stuff like that.
He is the main reason behind the curse of hatred. And the current war is based on it.

He is a very strong candidate. Don't ignore him.

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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Because Tobi isn't a woman.

He would fit very well as the final villain.

We still have to find out what actually happened when the elder fought the younger son, why his eyes have/had an unique pattern, and stuff like that.
He is the main reason behind the curse of hatred. And the current war is based on it.

He is a very strong candidate. Don't ignore him.

Valid point.

However, I still highly doubt Tobi is the Elder Son.

Why didn't Tobi know the names of the Bijuu? Surely, Rikudou's sons would have been privy to such information.

Why did he wait so long to enact his plan?

Why does he seem to be under Madara in the plan?

Why does Tobi's face not resemble that of the Elder son at all? Eyebrows, eyeshape, everything is different.

Why was the Elder Son introduced so long after Tobi if they are the same person? I don't know about you, but I'd feel kind of cheated if it was him. Same thing applies to Kagami.

 

[Rasnall]

I personally believe he is an Izanagi creation. Izanagi was a technique used by the Sage of the Six Paths to create life. Other forms have been used by Danzou and Tobi to alter reality so they don't die, but when they did it, their eye closed for good. The Sage's eye never closed. Maybe when Madara unlocked the Rinnegan during his fight with the first hokage, he unlocked the ability to do Izanagi without his eye closing. Madara's chakra being drastically lowered due to the fight, knows he is gonna lose so creates Tobi so he can still continue with his work and later be brought back. Although Madara was surprised he was brought back by Kabuto. Tobi said he was nobody, maybe he was right.

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

I personally believe he is an Izanagi creation. Izanagi was a technique used by the Sage of the Six Paths to create life. Other forms have been used by Danzou and Tobi to alter reality so they don't die, but when they did it, their eye closed for good. The Sage's eye never closed. Maybe when Madara unlocked the Rinnegan during his fight with the first hokage, he unlocked the ability to do Izanagi without his eye closing. Madara's chakra being drastically lowered due to the fight, knows he is gonna lose so creates Tobi so he can still continue with his work and later be brought back. Although Madara was surprised he was brought back by Kabuto. Tobi said he was nobody, maybe he was right.

There's no way this has any chance of happening.

Kishi's been mind****ing us over Tobi's identity for years. I doubt he'd make the identity of the masked man just be a creation of Izanagi. The crack in tobi's mask in the recent chapters, which makes us more excited, Kishi saying Tobi's identity will be revealed within the next few weeks.

Whoever Tobi is, he is someone who's face we will recognize and he has to be an actual person, not a creation or clone.

Tobi also said to Guy when asked about his identity, "You don't remember faces anyway, so what point is there in telling you?"

One thing's for sure. Tobi is an actual person that we will recognize.

 

[yetanotheruser]

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Valid point.

However, I still highly doubt Tobi is the Elder Son.

Why didn't Tobi know the names of the Bijuu? Surely, Rikudou's sons would have been privy to such information.

Why did he wait so long to enact his plan?

Why does he seem to be under Madara in the plan?

Why does Tobi's face not resemble that of the Elder son at all? Eyebrows, eyeshape, everything is different.

Why was the Elder Son introduced so long after Tobi if they are the same person? I don't know about you, but I'd feel kind of cheated if it was him. Same thing applies to Kagami.

Well...
We actually still don't know enough details of the relationship of Madara and Tobi to conclude things already. This is all quite confusing. He even claimed that Tobi was his old name, but the only name that is similar to Tobi is Obito, and it's clearly not him. Is he even someone we know?

´The man who knows everything´ might give us a clue.

Maybe it's someone that it's not even in this poll. Maybe we forgot someone very obvious...

There will be huge plot twist.