Is the Databook flawed?

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Before reading, I want everyone to know that I am speaking on the current databook, and not the upcoming books. Also I wrote this having seen that majority of the base clings to the databook as a sort of “ultimate truth”, and this thread is merely to clear up that misconception. Also the description of the techniques that are listed in the databook is my primary reason for writing this.

Introduction:

I have long been mindful of the fact that the databook, which was written and published four years ago, (September 9, 2008) is now possible to being flawed. The databook overall roughly covers volumes 28-43, and nothing more. It is not my intention to denigrate this work, but rather to acutely call out the alterations of the manga that now render the databook’s claims questionable. Do not misunderstand me; the databook’s are an accurate source of information upon their publication, but afterwards the facts should be question.

The Manga's Superiority:

The manga should be used over the databook to justify one’s points, simply because it is au courant with the facts and feats of the story, whilst the databook is not upon its publication. One of the principal aims in stressing this point is for the bothersome claims that someone makes, when using the databook to justify a point instead of the manga. This justification is as followed in "certain conditions."


Hypothetical Situation:


We will use a hypothetical situation, of Susano’o requirements to prove this point.

X will be using the databook for facts (upon publication), and Y will be using the manga for facts.

X: You have to have Tsukuyomi in order to use Susano’o as it’s stating in the databook. So since Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara all have Susano’o they must have Tsukuyomi.
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X: You’re wrong during the fight with Killer Bee Sasuke was using Tsukuyomi.

Y: It is not stated that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi at all, if anything Sasuke used a mere binding genjutsu.
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X: If that’s true, how come Danzo said that Sasuke had Tsukuyomi in their fight, but that it was just much weaker?
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Y: Danzo said “that Sasuke casted an illusion on him” that doesn’t necessarily mean that it was Tsukuyomi. Tobi clarifies this, when he states “it’s a weak genjutsu that doesn’t last long.” Tsukuyomi in itself is not a weak genjutsu, and typically when it is used the user will say so.

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In using this hypothetical situation Y has soundly shown us that although the databook are canon, they are only accurate up to their publication.

Summary:
Ultimately the point I am trying to make is not to look to the databook as the "definite truth", but instead use the manga to validate your propositions, and answers.
 

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yes they are. Unfortunately people don't know what hyperbole is and should know that the databook is only supplementary to the manga. But I disagree about the whole Sasuke has Tsukiyomi topic. The databook is the only information we have about that and there has been no definitive evidence in the manga to directly disprove it.
 
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yes they are. Unfortunately people don't know what hyperbole is and should know that the databook is only supplementary to the manga.

Pretty much this^
 

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Yes its flawed it trolled kamui

It saids theirs no defence against kamui yet gedo mazgey tanked it.

In the db it saids yata mirror defends against astriel attacks

Kamui is a black hole so its classified as astriel. well you do math? Yata mirror can tank a kamui... Logically going by databook.

Good one kishi!
 

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Its flawed. Mostly because of hyperbole, itachi has the highest stats, because at the time people like Madara werent introduced. All of the stats are basically in relation to the other characters in the book
 

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The data books are directly made by Kishi. They are considered canon. They are accurate for all material up to the point of their publication.
 

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Not everything the datebook states is always true.
 

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and some areas should carry more weight than others like intelligence should help there average more than speed or somethin ... if you get my drift
 

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Sasuke does infact have tsukuyomi, Its just no where near itachi's or Tobi's caliber. In essence making it a "Weak Genjutsu" compared to tobi(Experience) and itachi. :)

Danzo and Tobi was just mocking him due to it being so weak, Kinda how his inferno style is superior to itachi's and itachi's tsukuyomi is supeior to sasukes. You understand?
 
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I know who you are... and this is actually a pretty lame attempt to prove that Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi. U_U And you know what...? I still believe that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. ;) I'm out.
 

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in some area's it's flawed so yes......but the story line changes a lot so that's why
 

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fact is the manga isn't as clear as the data book period

based on the manga itself it s unclear how and what requirements are needed to get the rinnegan or inazagi

but the data book clearly tells all the info for susanoo

data book> manga
 
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It's just the use of hyperbole that people need to be able to recognise. The databooks are as canon as the manga.
 

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sasuke's Tsukuyomi is weak compared to Others. So I don't get the point here.

Also, Manga does not contain everything... even the Anime contains more info then the manga.

Manga is what you call "Outline" its a outline type of thing. Basically the just the story and nothing else.

Anime covers more then just the story. Its gives insite on the world of NARUTO.

Databook is basically a "guideline". Databook has explained stuff that the manga hasn't..
Susano'o being the one.


Databook= Anime= Manga. BUT if its about character stats....
Anime = Manga > Databook. Because of the battles and the jutsus.

All count but its just up to user. For example, I don't reply back to someone who only takes 1 thing into account when comparing battles or something about the village.

So no its not Flawed.
 

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Yes, there are a ton of flaws and it doesn't account for PNJ
 

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I know who you are... and this is actually a pretty lame attempt to prove that Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi. U_U And you know what...? I still believe that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. ;) I'm out.

Sasuke has Tsukuyomi.
 

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well data book is definitely flawed, it give kakashi a 4 in taijutsu :sy:

anyway, the example you give is slightly wrong , because , sasuke did used tsukiyomi against bee fight.

i will show the page, soon enough.
 

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well data book is definitely flawed, it give kakashi a 4 in taijutsu :sy:

anyway, the example you give is slightly wrong , because , sasuke did used tsukiyomi against bee fight.

i will show the page, soon enough.

That is why you don't believe it in stats.... lol.
 

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To everyone, in my "Hypothetical Situation" area of the post I was merely using an aspect of the databook that I thought was the least time consuming to find pages of. I had intended to use certain character ratings and possibly the debate of strongest Hokage, but findings pages at that moment was irritating; so I dropped those points.
 
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