Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

[NarutoVsGoku]

Re: so tell me its not obito

please explain to me why would Obito want to destroy the leaf and rule the world? how would Obito comeback from death after having half his side crushed and mashed? how did Obito comeback to fight his teacher and go from being a weakling to a powerhouse in the matter of only a few years (3 tops) that is able to control the kyuubi and go toe to toe with the 4th Hokage?

and that last page doesnt prove anything. you are being ignorant, foolish and plainly retarded for even considering that Obito is Tobi. it is illogical, it fuqs up the whole plot of Naruto and destroys the character that is Obito. if you had even the basic understanding of story development you would know that Obito's only purpose and role was to be the one who changed Kakashi as a kid from an arrogant kid who hates his father to a person who values his friends and forgives his dad. Obito's role was to help Kakashi complete his chidori and aid him in becoming the Copy Cat ninja by giving him his eye. that was Obitos role, not to come back to be the main villian.

 

[Higekage]

That's what I was thinking initially; he deviated from the original plan after his son died. But I still know what would be a good motive for Obito's father to turn to the dark side prior to Obito's death. It's not impossible, just a lot of unknowns at this point.

Yep, you just can't be completely sure.
At least I think we can all agree after this chapter that he's definitely an uchiha since he finally showed us a classic old uchiha fire technique. I think it was given as a direct clue, telling us he's Uchiha even though already most thought so. I mean, it could just as well have been an earth barrier - we've seen him use earth techniques before

 

[TheUchihaLives]

Re: so tell me its not obito

Tobi uses space time jutsu and we yet to see him use sharingan..soo if u thought that since kakshi and tobi had similar sharingan your wrong becuase like i said tobi uses space time jutsu like the 4th hokage..soo how bout we stop making stupid threads about how tobi is obito or any threads regarding who tobi is

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Re: This gives me more reason to think that tobi is obito

lol...I think it was me who told you that I'd stop reading the manga if "Tobi=Obito" were true. I still feel the same way.

Kishi's trolling for noobs. He knows that people are heatedly debating about this and he's intentionally adding fuel to the fire by giving "Obito-believers", like you, crumbs of false hope. He's a cruel man and I feel sorry for his victims.

(Actually, it would be very interesting to see how Kishi would go about filling the massive plotholes "Tobi=Obito" would create.)



p.s. @ OP: I thought you were banned.

An Obito thread straight after coming back. lol...You dont waste time do you?

 

[Beetle]

Re: so tell me its not obito

If Tobi can CONTROLL the mizkage and the nine tails BACK THEN y can't Tobi controll the 7bujji he had and if TOBI CONTROLLED the 9tails back then y da **** TOBI can't CONTROLL the 9tails now with a host which is naruto...he controlled the mizukage which she had a beast in her just fine he actually ruled the hidden mist after all those years and nobody knew it was MADARA not Tobi that was controlling the mizukage..if ur saying Tobi controlled the 9tails y can't he controll the 9tails now or back then to finish this war y waste time and fight when ur the most powerfull shinobi in the world which Tobi aka obito isn't so no ur argument is flawed...

1. Tobi actually did control the 7 bijuu he now has.. he actually controlled them into using a Tailed Beast Ball together..

2. He controlled the 4th Mizukage with genjutsu.. the 4th Mizukage wasn't even aware of being controlled, so even though Mizukage was a perfect jinchuuriki, he never canceled the genjutsu.

3. The 4th Mizukage was a he.. not a she.

4. He's not using genjutsu on Naruto or Bee because they will be aware of it because it's a battle and the 8 tails / 9 tails will cancel it.

5. Let's run with the argument that it was Madara that attacked Konoha and fought Minato. He clearly had the same S/T jutsu Tobi currently has. The ONLY vague connection between Obito and Tobi is the S/T ninjutsu which is similar to Kakashi's. That means, if your Tobi = Obito theory is correct, Madara must have taken Obito's eye. That means Madara must have gone to the trouble of recovering a most likely crushed eye.. of a ninja with only 2 tomoe sharingan.. from a location unknown to him.. and implant it in exchange for a EMS eye... because he suspects it'll have an ability similar to one that isn't shown until Kakashi uses it over a decade later. Makes a lot of sense right?

 

[JaccuziSplot777]

Re: so tell me its not obito

How do you know Madara doesn't have tsukyomi or amaterasu? Just because he hasn't used them yet doesnt mean they aren't in his jutsu arsenal. I've heard many times that you need both tsukyomi and amaterasu to use susanoo. I'm not positive whether or not it is true, but if it is, Madara must be able to use them.



I just did, but i can repeat myself if you'd like. Kagami and Izuna are the best predictions I've seen so far. Personally I'm leaning more towards kagami. It would make a lot more sense than Obito. Think about it. Kagami was on a team with danzou and hiruzen, under their sensei the 2nd hokage (who created S/T jutsus) making him around the same age as them. He knew danzo well, danzo was behind the uchiha massacre. Tobi was also involved in the uchiha massacre.

I'm not like 100 percent sure its him its just the most plausable theory I've come across. Much more plausable than him being Obito.

Obito would have been pretty young during the ninetails attack on konoha making it extremely unlikely that is who Tobi is.

So explain y there is a episode of obito and not of izuna or kigami...and y izuna used his brothers name which is madara to start a war when the manga states THEY WERE EQUAL IN POWER..and nobody know who the hell kigami is only that he was the 2nd student with danzo...so stop with izuna and kigami stuff plz...

 

[Resurrected Orochimaru]

Re: so tell me its not obito

1. Tobi actually did control the 7 bijuu he now has.. he actually controlled them into using a Tailed Beast Ball together..

2. He controlled the 4th Mizukage with genjutsu.. the 4th Mizukage wasn't even aware of being controlled, so even though Mizukage was a perfect jinchuuriki, he never canceled the genjutsu.

3. The 4th Mizukage was a he.. not a she.

4. He's not using genjutsu on Naruto or Bee because they will be aware of it because it's a battle and the 8 tails / 9 tails will cancel it.

5. Let's run with the argument that it was Madara that attacked Konoha and fought Minato. He clearly had the same S/T jutsu Tobi currently has. The ONLY vague connection between Obito and Tobi is the S/T ninjutsu which is similar to Kakashi's. That means, if your Tobi = Obito theory is correct, Madara must have taken Obito's eye. That means Madara must have gone to the trouble of recovering a most likely crushed eye.. of a ninja with only 2 tomoe sharingan.. from a location unknown to him.. and implant it in exchange for a EMS eye... because he suspects it'll have an ability similar to one that isn't shown until Kakashi uses it over a decade later. Makes a lot of sense right?

^ This

 

[Edge]

Re: so tell me its not obito

It's not Obito. Do you really think Obito would have been the only Uchiha in HISTORY to access this alternate dimension?

Some people need to start using their brains.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Re: so tell me its not obito

1. Tobi actually did control the 7 bijuu he now has.. he actually controlled them into using a Tailed Beast Ball together..

2. He controlled the 4th Mizukage with genjutsu.. the 4th Mizukage wasn't even aware of being controlled, so even though Mizukage was a perfect jinchuuriki, he never canceled the genjutsu.

3. The 4th Mizukage was a he.. not a she.

4. He's not using genjutsu on Naruto or Bee because they will be aware of it because it's a battle and the 8 tails / 9 tails will cancel it.

5. Let's run with the argument that it was Madara that attacked Konoha and fought Minato. He clearly had the same S/T jutsu Tobi currently has. The ONLY vague connection between Obito and Tobi is the S/T ninjutsu which is similar to Kakashi's. That means, if your Tobi = Obito theory is correct, Madara must have taken Obito's eye. That means Madara must have gone to the trouble of recovering a most likely crushed eye.. of a ninja with only 2 tomoe sharingan.. from a location unknown to him.. and implant it in exchange for a EMS eye... because he suspects it'll have an ability similar to one that isn't shown until Kakashi uses it over a decade later. Makes a lot of sense right?

so....much.....WIN!!!

 

[JaccuziSplot777]

Re: so tell me its not obito

1. Tobi actually did control the 7 bijuu he now has.. he actually controlled them into using a Tailed Beast Ball together..

2. He controlled the 4th Mizukage with genjutsu.. the 4th Mizukage wasn't even aware of being controlled, so even though Mizukage was a perfect jinchuuriki, he never canceled the genjutsu.

3. The 4th Mizukage was a he.. not a she.

4. He's not using genjutsu on Naruto or Bee because they will be aware of it because it's a battle and the 8 tails / 9 tails will cancel it.

5. Let's run with the argument that it was Madara that attacked Konoha and fought Minato. He clearly had the same S/T jutsu Tobi currently has. The ONLY vague connection between Obito and Tobi is the S/T ninjutsu which is similar to Kakashi's. That means, if your Tobi = Obito theory is correct, Madara must have taken Obito's eye. That means Madara must have gone to the trouble of recovering a most likely crushed eye.. of a ninja with only 2 tomoe sharingan.. from a location unknown to him.. and implant it in exchange for a EMS eye... because he suspects it'll have an ability similar to one that isn't shown until Kakashi uses it over a decade later. Makes a lot of sense right?

Naruto wasn't a perfect host when Tobi started the war with the kages and Tobi and naruto met face to face alone...and how can't u be aware being controlled the host wouldn't know but the bujji would and snap the host out of the genjustu...and we don't know if the mizuage was a perfect host or not but we know he or she (cuz he looks like a female) was being controlled by a powerful genjustu...now wat episode did u see TOBI use a genjustu or controll anybody..

 

[JaccuziSplot777]

Re: so tell me its not obito

Your argument is just awful.

Tobi was the one controlling the 4th mizukage. Kisame saw him when he was controlling him, and saw under Tobi's mask later. He grew to trust him running Akatsuki because of this. Also, Tobi controlled the ninetails properly when he attacked Konoha. We know it was Tobi and not Madara because he used the same S/T technique Tobi uses. So yes Tobi can control the tailed beasts just fine even without Rinnegan chains.

And let me ask u this who do u think Tobi is...I say it's obito becuz there is a episode of him he wants to create the moon eyes plan for peace ( remeber obito wanted to be hokage he wanted peace)...and he knows kakashi and gai and knows kakashi eye techs and even complemented on his eye tech which it's obito eye...now if it's izuna or kigami which nobody knows who the hell kigami is or wat either if them stand for would care who kakashi or gai is...plus nobody knows wat oro did while with akatski....I'm just saying the facts r there bro...

 

[FutureNineTails]

This post was an accedent

 

[FutureNineTails]

I think he is a /\/ / /\/ _/ /-\

 

[hola112233]

Re: Obito and Tobi

maybe

 

[Tartarus]

Re: How is Tobi Obito if he's older than Kakashi.

He has wrinkles under his eyes, that means he is definitely old.

Itachi has wrinkles and he's not that old.

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This is before he attacks Konoha, and he proves that he is the one who meet Kisame back then

What kisame remembers is the masked man's sharingan. He never saw his face.

I'll give 100 kumi to anyone who has decisive proof Obito can't be Tobi under no circumstance besides motive.

 

[SasukexNeji]

Going on a major "Zetsu-like" limb and saying, Tobi is a relative of Kakashi, yes .. a blood relative. How close? Older brother. BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Father of Life]

Tobi is a new character

 

[Artaya]

I feel like Tobi was Obito, until Kishi saw how easily people saw through it. Then he changed his mind. Also, you can't trust anything because he deliberately throws bones to every theory just to make everything possible.

 

[Codex]

1. Tobi actually did control the 7 bijuu he now has.. he actually controlled them into using a Tailed Beast Ball together..

2. He controlled the 4th Mizukage with genjutsu.. the 4th Mizukage wasn't even aware of being controlled, so even though Mizukage was a perfect jinchuuriki, he never canceled the genjutsu.

3. The 4th Mizukage was a he.. not a she.

4. He's not using genjutsu on Naruto or Bee because they will be aware of it because it's a battle and the 8 tails / 9 tails will cancel it.

5. Let's run with the argument that it was Madara that attacked Konoha and fought Minato. He clearly had the same S/T jutsu Tobi currently has. The ONLY vague connection between Obito and Tobi is the S/T ninjutsu which is similar to Kakashi's. That means, if your Tobi = Obito theory is correct, Madara must have taken Obito's eye. That means Madara must have gone to the trouble of recovering a most likely crushed eye.. of a ninja with only 2 tomoe sharingan.. from a location unknown to him.. and implant it in exchange for a EMS eye... because he suspects it'll have an ability similar to one that isn't shown until Kakashi uses it over a decade later. Makes a lot of sense right?

Good lord, someone give this man a medal!

Regarding point 1, where is it stated that the sharingan grants the user the power to control all tailed beasts, and not just the kyuubi? I don't remember that being stated, but I'm forgetful. Tobi can clearly control the kyuubi, as demonstrated during the attack on Konoha, but why should he be able to control the other bijuu so effortlessly? I've always been under the impression that the kyuubi was somehow special, and that's why the sharingan can control only it.

EDIT: let me add to your 5th point since so many people on this sight fail at logic. From a different post:

^If it was Madara who fought Minato, the whole Obito=Tobi argument collapses on itself.

Assume Madara (as Tobi) fought Minato. Either (i) Madara took Obito's eye, or (ii) he didn't (yes, this is a truism). Your 5th point clearly illustrates the absurdity of the first case. For case (ii), it follows that this S/T tech is not unique to Obito (since Madara can use it, too), and this brings into question only piece of evidence linking Tobi and Obito. So, either the Tobi who fought Minato and present Tobi are one and the same, or there is literally just as much evidence supporting Tobi=Obito as Tobi=Ramen Guy or Tobi=Tenten. Of course, if both Tobi's are the same, we're back to the time-line problem.
That is all.

Yep, you just can't be completely sure.
At least I think we can all agree after this chapter that he's definitely an uchiha since he finally showed us a classic old uchiha fire technique. I think it was given as a direct clue, telling us he's Uchiha even though already most thought so. I mean, it could just as well have been an earth barrier - we've seen him use earth techniques before

Good point.

 

[Krynnz]

Tobi has got to be a product of Zetsu / Obito.

The kamui dimension just verifies it for me. The fact that Obito's DNA could've been gathered by danzo or oro is just as possible as anything, OR oro getting some dna from kakashi's eye somehow to produce obito/zetsu.

I'm sure kishi wont make it so easy to be somebody, and in fact that tobi is really nobody. A combination of obito, zetsu, and strange freaky oro experiments.

That or just obito, but this seems more sophisticated and makes it possible!