Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

[Higekage]

I've changed my mind a bit. My final vote is for Obito's father.

Predictions: (Updated)

*Kakashi will recognize Tobi
*Obito's father is an unintroduced character
* Tobi is ~55 years old
*Tobi meets with Madara who becomes his partner
*Tobi uses Madara to gain Zetsu's Senju DNA and to fulfill his own plan - the moon eye plan
*Was part of Sakumo Hatake's team / at least knew him so that we may see the famous white fang in action in flashbacks
*Tobi's loss of people near him, especially his son, and his experiences in war develops a man with a wish to end war and makes him obsessed with gaining control - hence his plan is born

Hints we had to figure this out:

- The glimpse behind Tobi's mask showing a detailed picture of his upper face confirming his age
- His sharingan ability - Kamui which is the ability of Kakashi's sharingan aka Obito's ability which Obito inherited from his father, Tobi
- Kakashi who might be the only one alive able to recognize Tobi has been pitted against Tobi just before his reveal is about to happen

 

[venuboppudi]

Tobi is none other than tobirama.

He has S/T technique

he created Edo tensei

may be he is a researcher like orochimaru, when he fought kinkaku ginkaku
after beaten by them he might have transferred his soul into another body like orochimaru does.
that's how he has both uchiha and senju dna

he might have met Madara at dying stage and took his rinnegan and planted it in
nagato, after obito got crushed he just took over a young uchiha body like orochimaru intends to take sasuke body.

with obito body he must have perfected his S/T technique
and he is the slug sage , as he is related to tsunade he might be the one that passed slug summoning to tsunade

Only problem with this is tobi acted as he doesn't know edo tensei and asked kabuto how to stop it!
may be it is said that kabuto has surpassed his previous users so tobi has looked at the procedure if it has changed anyway

 

[Higekage]

Tobi is none other than tobirama.

He has S/T technique

he created Edo tensei

may be he is a researcher like orochimaru, when he fought kinkaku ginkaku
after beaten by them he might have transferred his soul into another body like orochimaru does.
that's how he has both uchiha and senju dna

he might have met Madara at dying stage and took his rinnegan and planted it in
nagato, after obito got crushed he just took over a young uchiha body like orochimaru intends to take sasuke body.

with obito body he must have perfected his S/T technique
and he is the slug sage , as he is related to tsunade he might be the one that passed slug summoning to tsunade

Only problem with this is tobi acted as he doesn't know edo tensei and asked kabuto how to stop it!
may be it is said that kabuto has surpassed his previous users so tobi has looked at the procedure if it has changed anyway

I think we would have seen him use water style techniques by now and I don't think Tobi would need Zetsu if he already had Senju blood. Besides if Tobirama was a villain I bet he would have used edo tensei minions from the start

 

[Whiteknight]

I've changed my mind a bit. My final vote is for Obito's father.

Predictions:

*Guy will shatter Tobi's mask
*Kakashi will recognize Tobi
*Obito's father is an unintroduced character
* Tobi is ~55 years old
*Tobi's loss of people near him, especially his son, and his experiences in war develops a man with a wish to end war and makes him obsessed with gaining control - hence his plan is born
*Tobi meets with Madara who becomes his partner
*Tobi uses Madara to gain Zetsu's Senju DNA and to fulfill his own plan - the moon eye plan
*Was part of Sakumo Hatake's team / at least knew him so that we may see the famous white fang in action in flashbacks

Hints we had to figure this out:

- The glimpse behind Tobi's mask showing a detailed picture of his upper face confirming his age
- His sharingan ability - Kamui which is the ability of Kakashi's sharingan aka Obito's ability which Obito inherited from his father, Tobi
- Kakashi who might be the only one alive able to recognize Tobi has been pitted against Tobi just before his reveal is about to happen

I like this theory a lot. It explains why both characters have an eye-based space/time jutsu, but why Tobi appears to have very different motivations than Obito did before he died.

It doesn't explain a few crucial parts, however:

1) If it is a wildly vengeful father of Obito's why didn't he ask Kabuto to try and revive Obito? It would be a puppet, sure, but he would get his son back for at least one final conversation. Or, since Tobi knows the secret now, why wouldn't he attempt the procedure himself? The objection being that Obito's father wouldn't have had any of Obito's DNA to use the technique with. I think that's a very flimsy argument. Kabuto already said that Edo Tensei prep was a lot like grave robbing, and Obito's father certainly would know where Obito's grave was (And don't say he was motivated enough to start a world-ending massive war, but not motivated enough to walk out into the woods and find the dead body of his son).

2) It doesn't explain why Tobi hasn't expressed any particular interest in Kakashi, the man who has Obito's eye. Tobi hasn't interacted with Kakashi at all in a way that suggests the two are familiar or that they've met in the past. The only thing Tobi's had to say about Kakashi is his knowledge of Kamui (which Deidara would have known and told him about beforehand), and his knowledge that Kakashi's life has been unfulfilled. That's knowledge common to anybody who knows about him (and Tobi studies people of interest).

Besides these two points, It could definitely be Obito's father more than some of the other guesses.

 

[Whiteknight]

Here's all the people from the poll in this thread and why they aren't Tobi. Keep searching!

1) Juubi: No. Juubi already has a body and is being revived as we speak. Plus, it's somebody that Madara knew BEFORE the Juubi was revived.
2) Sage of Six Paths: No. Completely different motivations from Tobi. The sage wanted peace through love and mutual understanding, not forced peace through conquest by genjutsu
3) Izuna Uchiha: So Madara eventually got old and died, but Izuna didn't? And how does Izuna seem to have sharingan-based space/time techniques but Madara doesn't, even though Madara has Izuna's eyes?
4) Kagami Uchiha: He's the right age, but that doesn't explain the space/time techniques or the weird zetsu-like regeneration thing he's done.
5) Obito Uchiha: No. Wrong age. There's no way he became so powerful in the brief time between when he died and when Tobi fought Minato. Also, Obito had one eye left, but Tobi clearly had two in the fight against Konan.
6) Shisui Uchiha: No. Completely opposite ideology and motivations. Shisui would never start a world war.
7) Setsuna Uchiha: Setsuna was part of the plot for the Uchiha revolt. He wanted the Uchiha to be free from Senju rule, but then Tobi massacred the Uchiha. That's sort of exactly the opposite, right?
8) Madara's Son: Did Madara have a son? On what evidence? And where did he get those space/time techniques if Madara doesn't have them? And why doesn't he seem to have an MS or EMS (or even a self-unlocked rinnegan) if Madara knew all about unlocking those things?
9) Obito's Father: Tobi has never once mentioned Obito. He doesn't seem to have any kind of familiarity relationship with Kakashi. Doesn't act sentimental when seeing Obito's eye in Kakashi. Hasn't tried to use Edo Tensei (or Rinne Tensei) to revive his son, both of which would be possible (especially if he killed kakashi and stole that eye).
10) Madara's Split Personality: Split how, like a clone? Tobi and Madara seem to have different personalities. Madara is more arrogant, insulting and boastful. Tobi is more quiet and self-confident. They don't really look the same, don't act the same, and Tobi doesn't have all the techniques that Madara has. Plus, Tobi has techniques (zetsu-like rejuvination, space/time techniques) that Madara does not have.
11) A copycat whose role model is Madara: Sure. But which copycat? The only thing he's copying is the plan, because none of his techniques are the same.
12) Real Madara in Zetsu Body: No? Madara's spirit/mind are in the Edo Body. So if those things aren't in Tobi, and if the body isn't Madara's, then how is this possibly Madara, again?
13) Some one from Madara's Time: No. They would be way too old. Madara appears to be older, like 50s or 60s. He doesn't appear to be as old as the tuschikage or older like he would need to be.
14) Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path: Then why does he have sharingan and not rinnegan like the elder son had in the flashback? Why did he need to steal a sharingan from Nagato? How did he live so long? No, it's not him.
15) Zetsu: Like, he is Zetsu, or he's a clone? Then why does Tobi give orders to the "real" Zetsu and not the other way around? Why create an army of clones of Zetsu instead of creating an army of clones of himself?
16) First Edo Tensei: Made by the second hokage? That does explain why he appears to re-grow limbs and why he appears immortal. It even explains why he seems to have an unlimited supply of chakra and why Itachi would call him a shell of his former self. HOWEVER, there are some things it doesn't explain like how he ripped out his old eye to replace it with a Rinnegan without it regrowing immediately, or where he got his unique space/time jutsu. Exactly who is it that was summoned with Edo Tensei to gain all these powers?
17) Tobirama: Where did he get the sharingan? How has he lived so long without growing very old? Why doesn't he seem to have any of the facial features or the white hair of Tobirama? How was Orochimaru able to summon Tobirama for Edo Tensei, if he wasn't dead?
18) Another Senju: Where did he get the sharingan? Where did he learn the space/time jutsu that no other Senju has?
19) An Uzumaki: Why is his hair black, not red? Where did he get the sharingan?
20) Tobi: Yes. Tobi is Tobi.
21) The ramen guy: No.
22) Someone other than these: Obviously
23) I am done. No Theory: Great, I'm glad to hear it.

 

[Higekage]

I like this theory a lot. It explains why both characters have an eye-based space/time jutsu, but why Tobi appears to have very different motivations than Obito did before he died.

It doesn't explain a few crucial parts, however:

1) If it is a wildly vengeful father of Obito's why didn't he ask Kabuto to try and revive Obito? It would be a puppet, sure, but he would get his son back for at least one final conversation. Or, since Tobi knows the secret now, why wouldn't he attempt the procedure himself? The objection being that Obito's father wouldn't have had any of Obito's DNA to use the technique with. I think that's a very flimsy argument. Kabuto already said that Edo Tensei prep was a lot like grave robbing, and Obito's father certainly would know where Obito's grave was (And don't say he was motivated enough to start a world-ending massive war, but not motivated enough to walk out into the woods and find the dead body of his son).

2) It doesn't explain why Tobi hasn't expressed any particular interest in Kakashi, the man who has Obito's eye. Tobi hasn't interacted with Kakashi at all in a way that suggests the two are familiar or that they've met in the past. The only thing Tobi's had to say about Kakashi is his knowledge of Kamui (which Deidara would have known and told him about beforehand), and his knowledge that Kakashi's life has been unfulfilled. That's knowledge common to anybody who knows about him (and Tobi studies people of interest).

Besides these two points, It could definitely be Obito's father more than some of the other guesses.

Glad you like it

1. Because he simply doesn't want to revive Obito. He wants his son to be in peace, not brought out as an Edo abomination just to fulfill his selfish desires. And besides he'd be ripped away from him once again. He might be the villain now but he's not twisted as Orochimaru lol

2. I don't think Tobi knew Kakashi well. He might have met him briefly a couple of times a long time ago and that's it. Tobi knows Kakashi has Obito's eye and I don't think he likes it. For once Tobi seems to be showing his human side, showing anger towards Kakashi, commenting on how he's lived a life of regret.
Oh, and Tobi, what he's using must be Kamui. The tech he uses is the exact same as Kakashi's. But does this mean Tobi has MS? Well, he could control kyuubi which is a feat I think was said to be performable by those who possessed MS. And also, is Izanagi something that people with regular Sharingan can perform? I doubt it. Danzo could use it, had MS. Itachi used Izanami (Same league), also MS.

 

[Yukimura]

How is the ramen guy beating the majority of the characters on this poll!? Lmaoooo! It would be quite hilarious if he were, but I'd hate Kishi forever.

 

[yetanotheruser]

We will soon figure out who he is. Good luck everyone.

 

[MinatoNami]

Here is from the recent Q&A with Kishimoto:

A brand new interview with Naruto’s manga creator Masashi Kishimoto about the future of Naruto!

Q1: The legendary shinobi is now immortal! Does Uchiha Madara have any weak point?
All strong people have some kind of weak point, but Madara does not. How will the fight from here on out go!? Please stay excited and wait to find out!!

Q2: I’m curious about the connection between Madara and Tobi!
I obviously can’t give too many details, but the two do know each other. What kind of relation they have will be gradually revealed in the current story!!

Q3: Will Tobi’s identity be revealed soon…!?
Indeed it will. In fact, it should be within the next few weeks!! Everyone, please wait and keep predicting until then!!

Q4: How will Naruto and Sasuke’s story proceed now?
I think that they will meet up once again during this war. Please look forward to seeing what will happen then!

Q5: Now that we’ve entered the climax of the Great Shinobi World War arc, please tell us what some upcoming highlights will be!
Everything from here on out will be a highlight!! Everything’s just going to get more and more exciting!! Everyone’s favorite characters will gather together to play a big part!! Please continue enjoying Naruto now that the Great Shinobi World War is in its climax!

 

[Deidera]

Q2: I’m curious about the connection between Madara and Tobi!
I obviously can’t give too many details, but the two do know each other. What kind of relation they have will be gradually revealed in the current story!!

IMO that is enough for me and maybe @Alexu9696 that Tobi is Uchiha Izuna.

 

[kent0005]

What about the modified Obito theory, I came up with.
Tobi is a actually older uchiha clansmen or creation such as madara split who worked with madara. Before madara died, tobi gained all the knowledge from him. Tobi eventually created zetsu.
Tobi was also getting old so needed a new body or way to extend his life to carry out his plans. Zetsu finds obito about to be crushed by boulders and manages to save his right eye from being crushed. As we know obito gives up his left sharingan to kakashi. As remaining boulders try to crush obito, zetsu saves him and brings him to tobi. Tobi fixes obito crushed limbs and manipulates obito convincing him to give up his body. So tobi takes over obito mind and body. Tobi in his new body awakens his space time jutsu using obito right sharingan.

This can explain why tobi knows kakashi and guy really well because tobi has control over obito memories and personality. It can explain why tobi resembles obito or have connection to kakashi sharingan. It also explains why obito was able to fight minato head to head because his mind and body is controlled by a more experienced and powerful shinobi. Finally this explains why tobi wanted to use nagato rinnei tensei for his sake because he wanted to revive his own body and why tobi is a mere shell of his former self.

 

[~Sky~]

Elder son. His younger brother sealed him away,(The Tablet?) until Madara discovered him after he got the Rinnegan and freed him.

Don't ask why but I think Tobi was also a jinchuriki at some point.

 

[Deidera]

Did Izuna save Madara?
Now as we all know,people say that Hashirama checked to make sure Madara was dead after their fight ,then he confirmed it right?
Well, what if that wasn't Madara but a Zetsu clone like the way he did with many fodder ninja and Neji?
Now then , let's assume that Tobi is Izuna .

Let's remember Izuna first.
According to Tobi,Izuna willingly gave his eyes to Madara .That means he had no eyes afterwards and was fighting and died in war with no eyes as people said.

Maybe Izuna never died but had already known Zetsu before or sometime after his eyes were taken and then had Zetsu make a clone like he did with Kisame (when he was fighting Killer Bee) and could remotely control it in the war in which he was fighting in,so that could mean the Izuna who everyone saw dead was actually a Zetsu clone.

Now let's fast forward to the VTE battle in which Madara lost and assume that Izuna had Zetsu watch that fight and save Madara by making a carbon copy of him just before Hashirama gave him the final blow and made sure he had died .Then after, he didn't let him know who saved him then had Zetsu spy on him until he (Madara) had died and that's how he knew his brother's history after Madara had thought that he Izuna died including how to get the renigaan and his project...etc

After his brother died,Izuna took some of the cells of Hashirama that were on Madara to enhance Zetsu's abilities and also transplanted some on to himself.

After doing that he started working in the shadows.Starting by making Yahiko,Nagato and Konan to think that Madara was still alive.Still working behind the scenes,he instigated the assassination of his own clan due the betrayal his brother.With the help of Danzo,it worked and and he was the second person to control the nine tales with his sharingan.Who else but Izuna would there be to control the nine tails as he and his brother and his brother he held as equals meaning that they also were experts in using the sharingan .

Remember that when Madara was resurrected he thought that Izuna was dead , he thought Nagato revived him and was close to completing the Project moon's eye plan


One would ask why he didn't want his identity to be know to he brother .I'd say because
Izuna wanted his brother's eyes and answers to the renigaan...etc

 

[Codex]

1. Because he simply doesn't want to revive Obito. He wants his son to be in peace, not brought out as an Edo abomination just to fulfill his selfish desires. And besides he'd be ripped away from him once again. He might be the villain now but he's not twisted as Orochimaru lol

Possibly. It would make sense that he wouldn't want to Edo Tensei his own son. On the other hand, perhaps that what he wanted Nagato's Rinne Tensei for. Personally, I've always believed Tobi intended to revive Madara with Rinne Tensei, but Tobi could have been playing Madara, intending to revive Obito instead.

My only issue is the timing. Madara referred to Nagato as a "brat", suggesting Nagato was still quite young when Madara died. But Nagato is older than Minato (I think), which would seemingly put Madara's death before Obito's (as Nagato, hence Minato, would be children at that time). This would mean Obito's father (as Tobi) would have to have been working with Madara prior to Obito's death, which rules out his primary motive. Thoughts?

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

my guesses kagami or some new char ( if a new char never seen before i predcit reaction similar to amons face reveal pisse doff fans who expected someone we already knew O_O)

 

[fanOFitachi]

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wtf u cant close down other thread just bcoz u dont like them. its like dictatorship . u should respect others openion . its not like u are intelligent others are idiot. its about freedom. if this thread isnt closed then i am gonna leave N.B forever dumbass moderator. fuk u mods:flaw:

 

[ThtOneGuy]

Tobi is none other than tobirama.

He has S/T technique

he created Edo tensei

may be he is a researcher like orochimaru, when he fought kinkaku ginkaku
after beaten by them he might have transferred his soul into another body like orochimaru does.
that's how he has both uchiha and senju dna

he might have met Madara at dying stage and took his rinnegan and planted it in
nagato, after obito got crushed he just took over a young uchiha body like orochimaru intends to take sasuke body. ya fool ya fool

with obito body he must have perfected his S/T technique
and he is the slug sage , as he is related to tsunade he might be the one that passed slug summoning to tsunade

Only problem with this is tobi acted as he doesn't know edo tensei and asked kabuto how to stop it!
may be it is said that kabuto has surpassed his previous users so tobi has looked at the procedure if it has changed anyway

he was revived by edo tensei in part 1 before tobi was even introduced...

wtf u cant close down other thread just bcoz u dont like them. its like dictatorship . u should respect others openion . its not like u are intelligent others are idiot. its about freedom. if this thread isnt closed then i am gonna leave N.B forever dumbass moderator. fuk u mods:flaw:

she did that because tobi threads are abundant its very understandable and a good way to lower the spam of tobi threads. there is a reason there is a poll its because people can vote who they think tobi is, that was a bad idea bad mouthing a mod.

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

Shotguns on Ramen guy xd

 

[Higekage]

My only issue is the timing. Madara referred to Nagato as a "brat", suggesting Nagato was still quite young when Madara died. But Nagato is older than Minato (I think), which would seemingly put Madara's death before Obito's (as Nagato, hence Minato, would be children at that time). This would mean Obito's father (as Tobi) would have to have been working with Madara prior to Obito's death, which rules out his primary motive. Thoughts?

Good points.

Hm, ok. So I guess Tobi worked with Madara before Obito's death. Maybe he wanted Nagato to ress Madara first but then Obito died and he wanted to ress him instead

 

[Codex]

Good points.

Hm, ok. So I guess Tobi worked with Madara before Obito's death. Maybe he wanted Nagato to ress Madara first but then Obito died and he wanted to ress him instead

That's what I was thinking initially; he deviated from the original plan after his son died. But I still know what would be a good motive for Obito's father to turn to the dark side prior to Obito's death. It's not impossible, just a lot of unknowns at this point.