[Predictions] Naruto Manga 433 Predictions / 432 Discussion

[sageofmyobokuzan]

a defensive technique would come in handy especially cause using clones to throw u out of the way isnt exactly convenient lol, i think he'll develop a defensive technique once he unlocks his second element affinity which will most likely b water bcause of his mom although im not sure, and imagine a rasengan combined wit both water and wind elements holy unadvoidable attack batman!!!!

 

[meercy]

Naruto, (without Sage Mode, Kyuubi mode) could defeat Lee, Sakura, Ino, Hinata, Kiba, Shino, Ten Ten, Shikamaru, Chouji, and maybe, maybe Neji. Not only does he use Kagebunshin effectively now, but he can summon people. What will Neji do to Gamabunta, Hiro and Ken? On top of that, he does have a few, powerful jutsu like the oodama rasengan, and throwable Rasenshuriken.
He may have a difficult time defeating Neji, but eventually will win.

And the argument that Naruto is weak without Sage mode is not valid. It's his jutsu/technique/ability so he will use it. Just in the same way that Uchihas would use MS and EMS if they received it, Nagato uses his Rinnegan to do puppet techniques, Orochimaru summoned hokages, Tsunade heals herself from any situation etc.

You cant honestly believe that about naruto ? But 1st let me say....
Since none of them do summonings we can cancell narutos lil summonings out to make it in all fairness....Now back to it....

Naruto cant whoop - Neji, Lee, Kiba (unless he can out smart him and both of them are reckless) Sakura ( i dont care wat ppl think....If kishi let sakura fight naruto how she did sasori he cant win)

Naruto Can whoop - Ten Ten, Ino, Chouji (hopefully)

Naruto Possability - Shino (solely because we dont know his full power) & Shikimaru (2 smart)

Lee is way to fast for naruto....Neji hands down....lol....Im not gone really explain this cause like i said b4...We know naruto will be a great shinobi but right now his fighting skill is not up to par with otha shinobis as a whole....Naruto doesnt have one move thats quick or effective enuff to hit or almost hit neji or lee....Or sakura....lol...One punch narutos out...Even kakshi said if the wind of it hits him hes down....

if sasuke was such a great fighter why does he solely fight using the sharingan, cause of the advantage it grants him, thats why naruto learned sage mode, to become stronger, its totally fair for him to use it in a fight if neji and sasuke r allowed to use their eye techniques, and naruto beat kakuza witout fox chakra or sage mode, and speakin of unfair powerups when was the last time sasuke beat anyone wit out even usin the curse mark, ya he doesnt have it anymore but he also didnt even beat killerbee, and i know its my first post so sorry for the length

sASUKE DOESNT RELY ON HIS SHARRINGAN....He went into the fight wit killerbee wit out it...he has never relied on it..Everytime he has fought..He has went into the fight wit out it..Even wit itachi....he never relies on it..Untill its time...This is why sasuke is a skilled shinobi...He is like kakashi....And the last time sasuke came out the battle on top is when him and naruto fought at the valley of the end....Take that for example....He trampled naruto wit out sharringan....

I have seen neji fight wit out his as well....But seeing that he uses his skill quite often then its nothin for him to use it on the regular....Cause it doesnt really tire him out as of wat i have seen..

And its fair if naruto gets a power up to be match correctly...
But seriously....Naruto cant whoop any shinobi flat out....lol...
Even if he used rasengan...oodama rasengan...RS....(he cant use FRS cause he gotta be in sage mode to throw it....) alot of clones.....Lee, Neji, Sakura, & the list goes on...Are too fast to get hit by such a upclose range move.....Its like chidori....If ur not skilled enuf and undetected when usin it...Its easily dodgeable...

 

[Japhrimu]

Does anyone else believe that Naruto needs some defensive techniques? Like Oro's Rashoumon, Kakashi's and 2nd Hokages Water Wall, 3rd's Earth Wall? Even Neji has his rotation and Gaara has his shield of Sand, and can also summon Shield of Shukaku.
In order to become a great shinobi, he also needs defensive techniques that will allow him to defend against the fastest, best techniques, like amaterasu.

That's a cool thought.

 

[sageofmyobokuzan]

but he did walk into the fight wit itachi using it, they were solely battlin usin genjutsu, and that means they were usin sharingan, im not bashin on u meercy i am sayin that u r handicappin naruto to fit ur point about him fightin other leaf shinobi, if naruto can do somethin that others cant why is that unfair??? i mean naruto had to work to b even allowed to summon bunta remember?? he had to work to perfect shadow clones, he had to work to complete rasengan, and trs and sage mode, its not like it was easy naruto just works hard, and naruto is able to perform jutsus undetected, remember in the forest when he basically dominated tobi/madara except that madara used his sweet ass space/time jutsu, i mean in that battle kiba misses completely, the only leaf shinobi that have shown they can defeat akatsuki r shika, kakashi, sasuke(who needed sharingan to defeat deidara too), sakura and naruto, and jman would own any akatsuki hands down,

 

[sandshark]

okay i think that naruto will be losing even with the help of the 3 frogs and ma and pa. but at the last second...CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP CHIIIIIIIIIIRP!!!!!! another pain body down by the one and only sasuke uchiha. naruto and sasuke will call a truce and defeat all of pain bodies. sasuke tricked naruto gonna kill the remains of the destroyed konoha but naruto gets enuf chakra for sage mode and the moment weve all been waiting for... :naruto: v.s. :sasuke:!!!!!!!!!!!

Nah it's too soon for Naruto v. Sasuke. Besides this is Naruto's time in the spotlight no-one is going to interfere. Why would Kishi interrupt the 1st solo Naruto fight?

 

[decimatus20]

Sorry for going retro again..
But this is a general theory..

Seeing behaviour of Yahiko,nagato and konan.. J-man taught them ninjutsus...

Now...when jiraiya was with all three listening to yahiko..

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J-man saw the hatred in Yahiko towards other villages..

Then he got 1 on 1 with Nagato..:|

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Then when J-man left them their reaction was as if he had betrayed them..

When J-man goes to rain village to find pain..

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Nagato says you dont have a clue about what happened to them..
Also he says that Yahiko was dead..


But can we see it from another angle...
1. Whoever came across team nagato were defeated..
2. Nagato wanted to protect Yahiko no matter what pain he had to go through..

So if Madara(the ol'main baddie!!) had Yahiko in his custody and make Nagato work for him in order to keep Yahiko alive would be a reasonable condition for them to work for akatsuki..
Also Nagato may have renamed himself as Pain as he was experiencing them himself while protecting his friend Yahiko...

Is this a reasonable argument about the plot about Pain that may unfold during / after :naruto:v/s pain???...

 

[Juan Carlos]

4.As far as naruto....He has pawned pein...Shows u even more how weak he is...
Alot of ppl are fascinated by pein....Im not ....he has 6 bodies...
Who cant do damage ? If i come up to anybody wit 6 of my friends we would u summin serious too...So i cant respect pein untill i see negato fight himself....

You say that you don?t respect Pain because he has 6 bodies..., what you don?t seem to remember is that all those bodies are being controlled by the same person. From this fact I deduce that Nagato is inmensively powerful to be able to proyect his techniques in this way.

You can?t compare Nagato?s use of Pain to what you stated about you and six of your friends...., you and your friends would have six different brains, six different vital force sources, etc..., while Pain is the result of one person controlling and analizing seven different situations at the same time (I say seven, because Nagato is also handeling his own reality..., and Konan let us know that, when she said that she would go to Nagato?s side aftrer he used Shinra Tensei).

Now that I think of it..., Nagato is not only extremely powerful, but he?s also a freaking genius to be able to do what he does..., it?s not mere power, it?s genius. (So long Sasuke, Itachi, Orochimaru, Sarutobi..., even thoug I respect them all for their analizing capabilities, we have to admit that what?s for God is for God, and what?s for the Ceasar, is for the Ceasar).

Pain rules. :teampein:

 

[RokuNR]

This Chapter was awesome, especially rasenshuriken. Although now that Sage mode is over, Naruto is screwed >_<

 

[Arisonius]

Sorry for going retro again..
But this is a general theory..

Seeing behaviour of Yahiko,nagato and konan.. J-man taught them ninjutsus...

Now...when jiraiya was with all three listening to yahiko..

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J-man saw the hatred in Yahiko towards other villages..

Then he got 1 on 1 with Nagato..:|

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(read a couple of pages more too)

Then when J-man left them their reaction was as if he had betrayed them..

When J-man goes to rain village to find pain..

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Nagato says you dont have a clue about what happened to them..
Also he says that Yahiko was dead..


But can we see it from another angle...
1. Whoever came across team nagato were defeated..
2. Nagato wanted to protect Yahiko no matter what pain he had to go through..

So if Madara(the ol'main baddie!!) had Yahiko in his custody and make Nagato work for him in order to keep Yahiko alive would be a reasonable condition for them to work for akatsuki..
Also Nagato may have renamed himself as Pain as he was experiencing them himself while protecting his friend Yahiko...

Is this a reasonable argument about the plot about Pain that may unfold during / after :naruto:v/s pain???...

That's improbable. I think that the only reason that Nagato/Pain is following Orders from Madara Uchiha/Tobi, is because Tobi knows Pains "secret." Once someone knows this secret it seems like Pain becomes a sitting duck.
If Madara didn't know penis secrt then itd be Pain > Madara, but because he does its Pain < Madara.

Just like if Jiraya had known Pains secret: Jiraya > Pain.

On the though of Jiraya, I think the note he left was actually "Minato is the father of Naruto" or something like that. Maybe it was coincidence that it also came out "The real one's not with them" count the words.

Just a theory.

 

[Juan Carlos]

okay i think that naruto will be losing even with the help of the 3 frogs and ma and pa. but at the last second...CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP CHIIIIIIIIIIRP!!!!!! another pain body down by the one and only sasuke uchiha. naruto and sasuke will call a truce and defeat all of pain bodies. sasuke tricked naruto gonna kill the remains of the destroyed konoha but naruto gets enuf chakra for sage mode and the moment weve all been waiting for... :naruto: v.s. :sasuke:!!!!!!!!!!!

That would be very interesting.

 

[meercy]

but he did walk into the fight wit itachi using it, they were solely battlin usin genjutsu, and that means they were usin sharingan, im not bashin on u meercy i am sayin that u r handicappin naruto to fit ur point about him fightin other leaf shinobi, if naruto can do somethin that others cant why is that unfair??? i mean naruto had to work to b even allowed to summon bunta remember?? he had to work to perfect shadow clones, he had to work to complete rasengan, and trs and sage mode, its not like it was easy naruto just works hard, and naruto is able to perform jutsus undetected, remember in the forest when he basically dominated tobi/madara except that madara used his sweet ass space/time jutsu, i mean in that battle kiba misses completely, the only leaf shinobi that have shown they can defeat akatsuki r shika, kakashi, sasuke(who needed sharingan to defeat deidara too), sakura and naruto, and jman would own any akatsuki hands down,

ok then thats kishi mistake showin sasuke wit out his sharringan on if he was using it...
nothin i state is summin im makin up...its right there in the manga....
Sasuke even said his self to itachi...I can see right thru u...2 me that sounded as if...
He was not usin sharringan at all....But this is kishi manga not mines....

Im not handicappin naruto...lol...
Wat did kakshi have at 1st...? He was a reg ninja wit no sharringan....
But even at narutos age when kakashi was the same age he would handle naruto easy....
Thats the point im making..Its not about handicappin naruto or anyone....
Its about we know who is skilled as a fighting shinobi and who is not...

Naruto is a hard worker....And has heart...And naruto worked hard to summon bunta...No difference then sasuke workin hard to kill itachi...And if u ask me Lee is the hardest worker of all....Naruto neva really worked hard to perfect shadow clones...he jus need to know how to use them correctly... And if im not mistaken kakashi told him he needs to use his shadow clones to learn from...

And in that battle wit madara..U dont think he knew that was coming ?
Seriously ? The same guy who got away from amaterasu triggerin in sasuke eyes from itachi
I mean there are all type of factors and scenarios out here....Sum not so good and sum better than mines...But the point of the matter is....I jus bring certain things to light...
This isnt im right ur wrong....Im jus stating a fact i know about and have seen in the manga

 

[meercy]

You say that you don?t respect Pain because he has 6 bodies..., what you don?t seem to remember is that all those bodies are being controlled by the same person. From this fact I deduce that Nagato is inmensively powerful to be able to proyect his techniques in this way.

You can?t compare Nagato?s use of Pain to what you stated about you and six of your friends...., you and your friends would have six different brains, six different vital force sources, etc..., while Pain is the result of one person controlling and analizing seven different situations at the same time (I say seven, because Nagato is also handeling his own reality..., and Konan let us know that, when she said that she would go to Nagato?s side aftrer he used Shinra Tensei).

Now that I think of it..., Nagato is not only extremely powerful, but he?s also a freaking genius to be able to do what he does..., it?s not mere power, it?s genius. (So long Sasuke, Itachi, Orochimaru, Sarutobi..., even thoug I respect them all for their analizing capabilities, we have to admit that what?s for God is for God, and what?s for the Ceasar, is for the Ceasar).

Pain rules. :teampein:

its like this....its like a gang....
If im the ring leader...And i send 6 ppl to beat u up...
thats just wat it is....Rather hes actually controlling the power or not....
6 diff bodies..6 diff techniques...Same issue...Ur whooped....lol...

And negato may be extremly powerful...
But the fact is....Hes got 6 bodies beatin up one person....
Tell him to send his 6 after madara..See wat happens...Oh i know...
they cant even touch him cause of him space time jutsu....
So havin 6 bodies fight him is useless....But tha fact is....he needs 6 bodies to do so...
Tell ur homy negato to come out and face the music....
Untill he fights himself..no respect...

 

[NotoriousWarrior]

Hi guys!!

Well let me get down to business...

We all know that Akatsuki are collecting tailed beasts to help Pain complete
his "that" jutsu which can destroy villages in a instant...

Now Naruto also is destined to have "that" jutsu...

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As both pain and naruto are part of the prophecy which says that
J-man would have a/2 students who could either destroy the world or protect it...

I had an idea about Pain's energy reserves..
Pain may be getting his energy from the already collected tailed beasts..


So in my opinion if pain uses His ultimate jutsu it would be Shinra tensei but with a more huge amount of chakra..

So naruto's "that" jutsu will involve him combining the yin and yang of the kyuubi chakra and still have total control..

Its just an idea..(give me your thoughts on this one please)..:naruto::naruto::naruto:

Naruto is the only destined child. At first jiraya thought it was pein but it wasn't him cos Jiraya figured out that it was naruto that was the chosen one at the end. there are no 2 destined people.

 

[Sly Anbu]

You cant honestly believe that about naruto ? But 1st let me say....
Since none of them do summonings we can cancell narutos lil summonings out to make it in all fairness....Now back to it....

1stly, that doesnt make sense. Summoning jutsu is Naruto's jutsu in the same way that Gentle fist art 64 palms and 8 trigrams rotation is Neji's jutsu.
If they fought to the death, Naruto WILL summon toads, (and he has a variety to choose from). At that point, Neji would get defeated, Lee would get raped, and Sakura, well what would she do? Punch it lol!
Naruto cant whoop - Neji, Lee, Kiba (unless he can out smart him and both of them are reckless) Sakura ( i dont care wat ppl think....If kishi let sakura fight naruto how she did sasori he cant win)

Naruto Can whoop - Ten Ten, Ino, Chouji (hopefully)

Naruto Possability - Shino (solely because we dont know his full power) & Shikimaru (2 smart)

Lee is way to fast for naruto....Neji hands down....lol....Im not gone really explain this cause like i said b4...We know naruto will be a great shinobi but right now his fighting skill is not up to par with otha shinobis as a whole....Naruto doesnt have one move thats quick or effective enuff to hit or almost hit neji or lee....Or sakura....lol...One punch narutos out...Even kakshi said if the wind of it hits him hes down....

Listen, Neji is more talented than Naruto. His technique is better. End of Story. Lee is faster, but that's it. Sakura, I don't know how you can even say Sakura has a chance against Naruto, same with Kiba. Just because Naruto's intelligence, technique, and variety of Jutsu is flawed, doesn't mean he will lose to those Shinobi. He will do what he does, what he is good at, which is use a shitload of clones to distract the opponent, then hit with Rasengan, double rasengan, or Oodama rasengan (I acknowledge that he can't use RS in normal mode- you're right there). Then he will summon toads and unless you can defeat those toads, you're screwed.
Naruto normal mode will beat the entire rookie 9, (only sasuke is a match for him). Naruto in Sage Mode or Kyuubi mode is an entirely different level alltogether.

 

[NotoriousWarrior]

You cant honestly believe that about naruto ? But 1st let me say....
Since none of them do summonings we can cancell narutos lil summonings out to make it in all fairness....Now back to it....

Naruto cant whoop - Neji, Lee, Kiba (unless he can out smart him and both of them are reckless) Sakura ( i dont care wat ppl think....If kishi let sakura fight naruto how she did sasori he cant win)

Naruto Can whoop - Ten Ten, Ino, Chouji (hopefully)

Naruto Possability - Shino (solely because we dont know his full power) & Shikimaru (2 smart)

Lee is way to fast for naruto....Neji hands down....lol....Im not gone really explain this cause like i said b4...We know naruto will be a great shinobi but right now his fighting skill is not up to par with otha shinobis as a whole....Naruto doesnt have one move thats quick or effective enuff to hit or almost hit neji or lee....Or sakura....lol...One punch narutos out...Even kakshi said if the wind of it hits him hes down....



sASUKE DOESNT RELY ON HIS SHARRINGAN....He went into the fight wit killerbee wit out it...he has never relied on it..Everytime he has fought..He has went into the fight wit out it..Even wit itachi....he never relies on it..Untill its time...This is why sasuke is a skilled shinobi...He is like kakashi....And the last time sasuke came out the battle on top is when him and naruto fought at the valley of the end....Take that for example....He trampled naruto wit out sharringan....

I have seen neji fight wit out his as well....But seeing that he uses his skill quite often then its nothin for him to use it on the regular....Cause it doesnt really tire him out as of wat i have seen..

And its fair if naruto gets a power up to be match correctly...
But seriously....Naruto cant whoop any shinobi flat out....lol...
Even if he used rasengan...oodama rasengan...RS....(he cant use FRS cause he gotta be in sage mode to throw it....) alot of clones.....Lee, Neji, Sakura, & the list goes on...Are too fast to get hit by such a upclose range move.....Its like chidori....If ur not skilled enuf and undetected when usin it...Its easily dodgeable...

im not taking sides or anything on who is stronger but you really think naruto is the stupidest person alive?

i mean you keep saying naruto wont be able to do this and that because his enemy is smarter.

if you look at naruto's previous fights (i know it was time ago) but hes always been able to come up with something to beat his opponent. we all know this is true and i think he would be able to beat anyone of them without sage mode.

So far it may not look like it but naruto is using his head in naruto v pein fight. i mean each body is strong and he beat them with 1 blow the reason you would say is because hes getting information but naruto is using that information cleverly and i bet hes got more tricks to show us.

Don't get me wrong Lee, Neji, Kiba, Shino, Kakashi, Yamato and all the other characters are my favorite characters.

Naruto hasn't shown all of his power yet so stop comparing him to anyone until the end of this fight (im talking about Jiraya and 4th).

And Sasuke is weak compared to Itachi, Jiraya, Madara, Pein.

 

[meercy]

Listen, Neji is more talented than Naruto. His technique is better. End of Story. Lee is faster, but that's it. Sakura, I don't know how you can even say Sakura has a chance against Naruto, same with Kiba. Just because Naruto's intelligence, technique, and variety of Jutsu is flawed, doesn't mean he will lose to those Shinobi. He will do what he does, what he is good at, which is use a shitload of clones to distract the opponent, then hit with Rasengan, double rasengan, or Oodama rasengan (I acknowledge that he can't use RS in normal mode- you're right there). Then he will summon toads and unless you can defeat those toads, you're screwed.
Naruto normal mode will beat the entire rookie 9, (only sasuke is a match for him). Naruto in Sage Mode or Kyuubi mode is an entirely different level alltogether.

Ok but ur forgetting...Naruto isnt the only one whos gotten better...
So once again....You cant say naruto will beat them...lol..

 

[meercy]

im not taking sides or anything on who is stronger but you really think naruto is the stupidest person alive?

i mean you keep saying naruto wont be able to do this and that because his enemy is smarter.

if you look at naruto's previous fights (i know it was time ago) but hes always been able to come up with something to beat his opponent. we all know this is true and i think he would be able to beat anyone of them without sage mode.

So far it may not look like it but naruto is using his head in naruto v pein fight. i mean each body is strong and he beat them with 1 blow the reason you would say is because hes getting information but naruto is using that information cleverly and i bet hes got more tricks to show us.

Don't get me wrong Lee, Neji, Kiba, Shino, Kakashi, Yamato and all the other characters are my favorite characters.

Naruto hasn't shown all of his power yet so stop comparing him to anyone until the end of this fight (im talking about Jiraya and 4th).

And Sasuke is weak compared to Itachi, Jiraya, Madara, Pein.

Nobody said naruto wasnt strong....thats where ppl get this confused....
Naruto jus isnt a great shinobi wit out a power up..Sage mode or fox chakra....
If u look at...kakshi, jiriya, itachi, pein, madara, kakazu, the 4th 1st, 2nd, 3rd tsunade, oro, guy, who eva...they are great shinobis when they fight period....No extra help or power ups
Thats is my point....Why everybody thinks im sayin naruto is weak..dunno...

Naruto is weak compared to itachi, Jiriya, & pein....

 

[tristan]

You cant honestly believe that about naruto ? But 1st let me say....
Since none of them do summonings we can cancell narutos lil summonings out to make it in all fairness....Now back to it....

1stly, that doesnt make sense. Summoning jutsu is Naruto's jutsu in the same way that Gentle fist art 64 palms and 8 trigrams rotation is Neji's jutsu.
If they fought to the death, Naruto WILL summon toads, (and he has a variety to choose from). At that point, Neji would get defeated, Lee would get raped, and Sakura, well what would she do? Punch it lol!
Naruto cant whoop - Neji, Lee, Kiba (unless he can out smart him and both of them are reckless) Sakura ( i dont care wat ppl think....If kishi let sakura fight naruto how she did sasori he cant win)

Naruto Can whoop - Ten Ten, Ino, Chouji (hopefully)

Naruto Possability - Shino (solely because we dont know his full power) & Shikimaru (2 smart)

Lee is way to fast for naruto....Neji hands down....lol....Im not gone really explain this cause like i said b4...We know naruto will be a great shinobi but right now his fighting skill is not up to par with otha shinobis as a whole....Naruto doesnt have one move thats quick or effective enuff to hit or almost hit neji or lee....Or sakura....lol...One punch narutos out...Even kakshi said if the wind of it hits him hes down....

Listen, Neji is more talented than Naruto. His technique is better. End of Story. Lee is faster, but that's it. Sakura, I don't know how you can even say Sakura has a chance against Naruto, same with Kiba. Just because Naruto's intelligence, technique, and variety of Jutsu is flawed, doesn't mean he will lose to those Shinobi. He will do what he does, what he is good at, which is use a shitload of clones to distract the opponent, then hit with Rasengan, double rasengan, or Oodama rasengan (I acknowledge that he can't use RS in normal mode- you're right there). Then he will summon toads and unless you can defeat those toads, you're screwed.
Naruto normal mode will beat the entire rookie 9, (only sasuke is a match for him). Naruto in Sage Mode or Kyuubi mode is an entirely different level alltogether.

yer right about this...naruto's sage mode or kyuubi mode is an entirely different level...just think of this, jiraiya with his uncomplete sage mode was considered a sannin how much more if naruto gets enough experience using his complete sage mode? plus the fact that he has his kyuubi to rely on whenever he's on danger...

his jutsus can't be taken out from him...because all of them have different techniques of their own summon or not its still a technique...he can use whatever jutsus he learned to whoop their asses, besides, if you really want to compare every rookie; just let them fight pain, even with the current situation and with their jutsus they're nothing on par with him...

that's the reason why they have ninja levels:

feudal lord - considered the highest, no questions asked

hokage - leader of the country / nation

sannin - ninjas who have massive amounts of chakra and fight experience; wise nins; possesses unique jutsus of their own to power themselves up...

ex. oro - resurrection (forbidden jutsus) + summons
jiraiya - sage mode + summons
tsunade - chakra seal + summons

jounins - ninjas who are considered top military rankers; experts in their field and posseses hi-level techniques, some summons, and some forbidden techniques as well.

ex. kakashi - ninjutsus + dog summons
(i think kakashi's the only jounin who has a summon, pls correct me if im wrong, thanks)
gai - taijutsus + lotus gates
neji - byakuugan + taijutsus etc...

chuunin - leader of their platoon, usually wise and good decision makers...

ex. iruka
shikamaru
gate keepers

gennin - basic ninja

also dont forget the ANBU ninjas - they are the agents in narutoverse who work as assasins, and usually do covert type missions as well as stealth kills...

 

[meercy]

yer right about this...naruto's sage mode or kyuubi mode is an entirely different level...just think of this, jiraiya with his uncomplete sage mode was considered a sannin how much more if naruto gets enough experience using his complete sage mode? plus the fact that he has his kyuubi to rely on whenever he's on danger...

^^and thats wat i mean....
Jiriya was a sannin without sage mode....Like he was a great fighter....

 

[tristan]

Nobody said naruto wasnt strong....thats where ppl get this confused....
Naruto jus isnt a great shinobi wit out a power up..Sage mode or fox chakra....
If u look at...kakshi, jiriya, itachi, pein, madara, kakazu, the 4th 1st, 2nd, 3rd tsunade, oro, guy, who eva...they are great shinobis when they fight period....No extra help or power ups
Thats is my point....Why everybody thinks im sayin naruto is weak..dunno...

Naruto is weak compared to itachi, Jiriya, & pein....

naruto is just weak in terms of fight experience when compared with jiraiya, in terms of his jutsus? he certainly surpassed him...

perfect sage mode against jiraiya's incomplete sage mode? hmmm come to think of it bro...
by the way i have to go against as well for your statement that jiraiya or tsunade or oro don't use power ups or help...hmmmm all of them has summons, power ups like chakra seal sage mode and body transfer - i think that as well might be considered power ups cuz like oro if doesnt use body transfer at sometime his body will surely rot like michael jackson...hehehe

nwei each and every ninja has their own abilities and arsenals...

its just that the focus of the story now is naruto's development and way of surpassing the old generation... V,,
(well its really about time, im sick and tired of his weak facade)