Do you believe in God?

[HadouKage]

Of course you can't PROVE it, that's where the concept of faith comes in. Human beings are weapons of mass destruction in it of themselves. What'll stop them from trying to take over heaven the day they have proof that it exists? Besides, human beings are the reason the world is on the brink of Hell, not God. Even if I didn't believe in him, I would still say that.

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[Scooby Doo]

But spending a few years in jail is better than eternal torture and people created the state/government/and rules so it was their choice but I dont reall have a choice when it comes to god: I believe him and live or if not I'll suffer (or just simply die). Besides then god's sense of justice and his morals are not better than humans'...And one more thing: you say that we cannot prove that god doesnt exist but it doesnt work lke this. You state something you have to prove it. For example if i say that werevolves exist you cannot prove that they dont. People actually got executed in the past for they were believed to be werevolves. But just because you cannot prove that werevolves dont exist I cannot say that:"So they must exist because you just cant disprove it"

I never stated that God could not exist, it's just that it's useless explaining it because I'll just be wasting my breath. What about the people that do demented crimes and end up in a straight jacket, in a small room, for life? That isn't torture? I'm just saying just like we have consequences for our will so does God. The government rule over us no? If that's not the case then I'm sure people would love the whole new law that Obama just put in about being a convicted of being a terrorist. How isn't a divine being's judgement not better than any human?

But god is said to be a perfect, almighty , forgiving and loving father, while men are just men. I'm not american so i dont know about Obama's laws. Besides, I have solid proof that manly courts and judgement are real, while there is no proof of god's existence. And actually you dont know me but despite I dont believe in god, I apply more of the Bible's principles than most of the people who call themselves 'christian'. So my only sin is that I dont believe in Him, and I'll be executed or tortured for just my thoughts/opinion, while no human judge will sentence me to death/torture for just my thoughts/opinion.

 

[HadouKage]

But god is said to be a perfect, almighty , forgiving and loving father, while men are just men. I'm not american so i dont know about Obama's laws. Besides, I have solid proof that manly courts and judgement are real, while there is no proof of god's existence. And actually you dont know me but despite I dont believe in god, I apply more of the Bible's principles than most of the people who call themselves 'christian'. So my only sin is that I dont believe in Him, and I'll be executed or tortured for just my thoughts/opinion, while no human judge will sentence me to death/torture for just my thoughts/opinion.

Obama just recently passed a law that if you are convicted as a terrorist, you will go to jail. Is that moral to you? Just because manly courts are real doesn't mean they are just, there are some people that get life in jail or the death penalty because either the evidence for their innocence wasn't there or wasn't discovered yet. God says if you believe in me and keep my commandments, than you shall be awarded into heaven. All sin (with the exception of blasphemy) is equal in God's eyes

 

[AP2k]

Ok, so explain to me, can something come from nothing? That's basically what scientist say

Im not explaining thermo dynamics to you. Not all scientists believe that matter instantly appeared, many scientists believe that energy and matter have been present for all of time. So they didnt come from nothing.


You should learn how to form a cognitive argument. YOU are claiming god exists, therefore YOU need to have evidence to support that claim. You can't ask everyone else to disprove your theory, because again, that means a flying spaghetti monster can exist and create the universe, because you cant prove it didnt happen.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Obama just recently passed a law that if you are convicted as a terrorist, you will go to jail. Is that moral to you? Just because manly courts are real doesn't mean they are just, there are some people that get life in jail or the death penalty because either the evidence for their innocence wasn't there or wasn't discovered yet. God says if you believe in me and keep my commandments, than you shall be awarded into heaven. All sin (with the exception of blasphemy) is equal in God's eyes

That's not very nice of Obama then XD But if there were no terrorists this law wouldnt exist. And why are there terrorists? Because god allows this...(if he exists at all,that is). But what would you do if I -or someone else- told you that the real god made an appearance to me and told me that everybody has to wear yellow clothes(for example) otherwise they'll die. Would you believe this? Of course not. Maybe I could make up a coherent system with seemingly logical arguments but you still wouldnt believe me.

 

[Chakra Wizard]

Im not explaining thermo dynamics to you. Not all scientists believe that matter instantly appeared, many scientists believe that energy and matter have been present for all of time. So they didnt come from nothing.


You should learn how to form a cognitive argument. YOU are claiming god exists, therefore YOU need to have evidence to support that claim. You can't ask everyone else to disprove your theory, because again, that means a flying spaghetti monster can exist and create the universe, because you cant prove it didnt happen.

Seriously man, both the believers AND non-believers on this thread need to realize that they both are trying to prove their side of the debate. Religious people are NOT the only ones who need to have evidence to support their claims. I believe God exists, so I need to let others know why. You don't believe he exists, so you ALSO need to let others know why.

Also, if matter and energy have always been present, what's stopping religious people from making the same claim about God?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Im not explaining thermo dynamics to you. Not all scientists believe that matter instantly appeared, many scientists believe that energy and matter have been present for all of time. So they didnt come from nothing.


You should learn how to form a cognitive argument. YOU are claiming god exists, therefore YOU need to have evidence to support that claim. You can't ask everyone else to disprove your theory, because again, that means a flying spaghetti monster can exist and create the universe, because you cant prove it didnt happen.

Hehe I also believe this.

 

[AP2k]

Seriously man, both the believers AND non-believers on this thread need to realize that they both are trying to prove their side of the debate. Religious people are NOT the only ones who need to have evidence to support their claims. I believe God exists, so I need to let others know why. You don't believe he exists, so you ALSO need to let others know why.

Lmfao, no thats not how it works. You claim god exists, you have zero evidence for tht claim. I don't need proof to not believe in something.

But lets say your logic is correct:i believe the cookie monster created the universe. By your logic, i am not wrong because you have no proof that he didnt.

Your argument for something existing cant be "well you cant prove me wrong", you need to prove me, someone who looks at it objectionally, that your belief is right, not the other way around.

 

[Ashflura]

Religion isn't merely a belief system, it's a way of life.

I believe strongly in god, but only applying that in theory isn't committing to it completely. I'm a Muslim, and Islam is a code of conduct for the way a person should be living their lives, it allows for the greatest potential in the hereafter.

There is no compulsion in Religion, everyone has a free will as stated by god. If you choose not to believe in God, then by all means, Allah says to avoid arguments that will never end. A believer insulting a non-believer is sinful, and vise versa. Tolerance is a big issue that people seem to lack on both sides.

There's a big difference between saying "I don't believe in god," and "Believing in god is like believing that unicorns exist". There's a fine line between stating an opinion and insulting others' beliefs.

 

[HadouKage]

Lmfao, no thats not how it works. You claim god exists, you have zero evidence for tht claim. I don't need proof to not believe in something.

But lets say your logic is correct:i believe the cookie monster created the universe. By your logic, i am not wrong because you have no proof that he didnt.

Your argument for something existing cant be "well you cant prove me wrong", you need to prove me, someone who looks at it objectionally, that your belief is right, not the other way around.

Scientist also say pluto isn't a planet anymore and now it isn't? Gimme a break if I try and explain the obvious stuff that was created by God all you'd do is explain through science negating the fact that where did the science come from?

 

[Chakra Wizard]

Lmfao, no thats not how it works. You claim god exists, you have zero evidence for tht claim. I don't need proof to not believe in something.

But lets say your logic is correct:i believe the cookie monster created the universe. By your logic, i am not wrong because you have no proof that he didnt.

Your argument for something existing cant be "well you cant prove me wrong", you need to prove me, someone who looks at it objectionally, that your belief is right, not the other way around.

Nor can we prove you wrong. No matter what way you say it, your argument is "I believe that deities do not exist", not "I don't believe in deities". Therefore, you are trying to prove something. No matter your argument, the truth stands that atheism is still a belief, therefore, those who follow it must have evidence to let others know why their beliefs are true.

@Ashflura- Thank you

 

[Dr Dark Knight]

That's even worse English.

**** you my English homework can work, **** college English, if you managed to turn on a computer with your lack of reading comprehension i shouldn't need to do homework for a college English class.

hahaha someone's got the taste of sh*t still in their mouth

 

[Anorien16]

Scientist also say pluto isn't a planet anymore and now it isn't? Gimme a break if I try and explain the obvious stuff that was created by God all you'd do is explain through science negating the fact that where did the science come from?

Science didnt come from anywhere, cos science is knowledge and knowledge is eternal, u just have to obtain knowledge . . . . . . . . Now dont ask how can knowledge come from nothing.


PS I dont understand how the validity of any scientific theory would destroy belief in God, the Bible wrong in many accounts: it was wrong that Heaven is in the clouds, Sun revolved around the Earth, Man can never fly like angels etc . . . . we all know portions of the Bible was written by man and lets not count that, still the life and teachings of Jesus are absolutely true and the philosophies he told about are good ways of living. Why people forget the principles of love, friendship, brotherhood, compassion, forgiveness etc All relegions teaches these vales but none of its followers truly follow it. Now that the irony.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Religion isn't merely a belief system, it's a way of life.

I believe strongly in god, but only applying that in theory isn't committing to it completely. I'm a Muslim, and Islam is a code of conduct for the way a person should be living their lives, it allows for the greatest potential in the hereafter.

There is no compulsion in Religion, everyone has a free will as stated by god. If you choose not to believe in God, then by all means, Allah says to avoid arguments that will never end. A believer insulting a non-believer is sinful, and vise versa. Tolerance is a big issue that people seem to lack on both sides.

There's a big difference between saying "I don't believe in god," and "Believing in god is like believing that unicorns exist". There's a fine line between stating an opinion and insulting others' beliefs.

So when I say that, I insult you, but you can easily say that I'm a pagan and as such, a bad person who will get punished for that. And dont you think its also insulting for me?

 

[HadouKage]

Science didnt come from anywhere, cos science is knowledge and knowledge is eternal, u just have to obtain knowledge . . . . . . . . Now dont ask how can knowledge come from nothing.

so the knowledge behind the big bang theory is due to thermo dynamics? Again something cannot come from nothing

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state." This is also commonly referred to as entropy. A watchspring-driven watch will run until the potential energy in the spring is converted, and not again until energy is reapplied to the spring to rewind it. <--- If this is true an outside force had to have had some impact behind the big bang, not unless knowledge did it itself

 

[Ashflura]

So when I say that, I insult you, but you can easily say that I'm a pagan and as such, a bad person who will get punished for that. And dont you think its also insulting for me?

When did I say that? Feeding words into people's mouths makes you look ignorant.

During the conquest of Makkah after the pagans broke a treaty with, Prophet Muhammad [PBUH], he took control of the city. The pagans were worried about their demise, but the Prophet allowed them to go free and forgave them. Like I said Tolerance is a big important piece.

 

[Scooby Doo]

so the knowledge behind the big bang theory is due to thermo dynamics? Again something cannot nothing

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state." This is also commonly referred to as entropy. A watchspring-driven watch will run until the potential energy in the spring is converted, and not again until energy is reapplied to the spring to rewind it. <--- If this is true an outside force had to have had some impact behind the big bang, not unless knowledge did it itself

That would mean that god has some relation to energy , maybe he is made up of energy (?) but the essence is that then he also should run out of energy some day. And if he exists in an incomprehensible dimension/lifeform then how could he create something that is totally different from his lifeform but the laws of his creation dont apply to him. You can say that he is almighty and thats because , but from where did he get his limitless energy?

 

[soulless uchiha]

yes. i do

 

[Expulso]

No, I Do Not.

 

[AngryRock]

Theory - *a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena.

All you had to do was click the first link in that google search, you were to lazy to do that.

I used the google dictionary in google chrome poop head.

That would mean that god has some relation to energy , maybe he is made up of energy (?) but the essence is that then he also should run out of energy some day. And if he exists in an incomprehensible dimension/lifeform then how could he create something that is totally different from his lifeform but the laws of his creation dont apply to him. You can say that he is almighty and thats because , but from where did he get his limitless energy?

He is God. Just because it is not like him does not mean he cannot think or make it. We make many things in media like manga, movies, etc... that are not like us. The only difference is that we cannot make them reality.