Tobi's Cancelling Of Kamui

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Tobi's Potential Flaw That No One Caught This Chapter?


I've noticed something quite peculiar that reveals a lot about what Tobi did to Gedo Mazo to cancel Kakashi's Kamui. This also explains why he did it only once out of the two times Kakashi used Kamui.

First of all, let's make a brief note here. It could be said that Tobi's ability to teleport/move instantaneously has been nullified or limited. The reason I say this is due to him walking to Naruto & Bee's location after learning of their whereabouts as opposed to teleporting there




Also, notice that he hasn't been teleporting at all this whole war arc (please correct me if I'm wrong). I'll leave that there before I get off topic.

EDIT: Disregard that.. I've in fact, been proven wrong and he's been shown teleporting once or twice during the war (can't win em all ). Also keep in mind this thread HAS NOTHING TO DO with Tobi's teleportation.

More importantly, we know that Tobi always becomes intangible when he's attempting to attack and is about to get attacked, both taking place at the same time.


However, when he was not attacking anyone at all and was about to be attacked by Naruto, he did not use his intangibility.




Why is this? Surely he could have just allowed that attack to go right through him. Also notice that this is the exact same time he's about to deal with Kakashi's Kamui.





What was so different between the time Kakashi used Kamui on Gedo Mazo and the time he used it on that kunai? My guess is that it's Tobi's situation and state.

I feel that in order for Tobi to cancel Kamui, he must be tangible, hence why he dodged Naruto's attack which he would normally become intangible to avoid. The reason why he didn't cancel Kakashi's kamui on the kunai was because he'd need to be tangible for that to happen, and with a chakra-emblazed fist coming into his face, that wouldn't really be a good idea.

This could mean a big possibility of things. It could mean he can only use one type of S/T jutsu at once, it could mean he doesn't have the strength to maintain two types of S/T simultaneously, almost anything, at this point.

Though this is a really loose idea, I find it peculiar that there were 2 instances of Kamui used, only to which there was one time Tobi cancelled that Kamui. This could be a hint to his flaw & could be a key to revleaing more history to his and Kakashi's jutsu to a grander scale of things in chapters soon to come.

...Or I could be getting on some crackpot theories to which you'll all criticize/contradict me for verrrrry soon

For you lazy people..

TL;DR

Tobi uses his intangibility to avoid hits. But when cancelling the effects of Kamui, he becomes tangible.

We know he can be intangible and use jutsu at the same time (Chap 566/567), so we can say that Tobi must be tangible (which is different from being tangible to ATTACK) when dealing with Kakashi's Kamui & dealing with Gedo Mazo. This will lead to dire hints in the future about his abilities and its history.



 

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Wow, actually very nice theory +rep
 

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About the cancellation.

Couldn't it be that the Mazou just broke free itself?
 

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About the cancellation.

Couldn't it be that the Mazou just broke free itself?

No gedo mazo couldnt!!! Kamui is a technique which wraps an object or part of body(in our case),into another demension.Its not like an genjutsu dude:)
 

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About the cancellation.

Couldn't it be that the Mazou just broke free itself?

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The Mazou just stood there, so i doubt that it just stopped it by itself.

It hasn't shown any trait other then smashing things and housing the tailed beasts. I don't think it has a brain to be able to stop a Kamui all by itself.

Tobi seemed to look at him and contradict him that it wouldn't be that easy, so it defiantly leaves an opening for your theory.
 

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No gedo mazo couldnt!!! Kamui is a technique which wraps an object or part of body(in our case),into another demension.Its not like an genjutsu dude:)

But Kinkaku broke free of the shadow possession.

The Mazo has a thousands times the amount of that chakra, so it's possible his chakra was dense enough to disable Kamui.
 

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I've seen few threads with this theory, but this was the most in depth, +rep
 

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You know what,im starting to agree with you:),kinda makes sense!!! rep+.
 

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kamui sent mazou's neck to some dimension, Tobi's sapce time technique brought it back
its the same technique but work in opposite way.
thats why i think Tobi is Obito"s father
 

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i thought he just unsummoned the gedo in time so that it didnt loose its head
 

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But Kinkaku broke free of the shadow possession.

The Mazo has a thousands times the amount of that chakra, so it's possible his chakra was dense enough to disable Kamui.

His Chakra Is A Thousand Times More Powerful And Dense But Since Kamui Is An MS Jutsu Which Wraps Around The Body Itself And Kakashi Had Aimed Around The Gedo's Neck.

Tobi Had Said "To Optimistic" Which Had Grabbed Kakashi's Glance Of The Gedo Meaning He Had Tricked Kakashi To Leave An Opening For Him To Use Space Time Jutsu To Transport The Gedo Somewhere Else Such As Like Minato's
 

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But Kinkaku broke free of the shadow possession.

The Mazo has a thousands times the amount of that chakra, so it's possible his chakra was dense enough to disable Kamui.

Shadow possession is a different type of technique,it just stops the opponents movements for a while.If the opponent has enough physical strengh,he can break out of it(kinkaku broke free because of the nine tails chakra).While Kamui on the other takes only 1 second or a moment to do its job.Gedo didnt even have enough time to break out of it.Like i said before its not like an genjutsu where the opponent is traped,its more like an quick space/time attack(if thats what its called).:)

Any physical attack wont even work against kamui so chakra,shock waves,etc are uneffective
 
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His Chakra Is A Thousand Times More Powerful And Dense But Since Kamui Is An MS Jutsu Which Wraps Around The Body Itself And Kakashi Had Aimed Around The Gedo's Neck.

Tobi Had Said "To Optimistic" Which Had Grabbed Kakashi's Glance Of The Gedo Meaning He Had Tricked Kakashi To Leave An Opening For Him To Use Space Time Jutsu To Transport The Gedo Somewhere Else Such As Like Minato's

Shadow possession is a different type of technique,it just stops the opponents movements for a while.If the opponent has enough physical strengh,he can break out of it(kinkaku broke free because of the nine tails chakra).While Kamui on the other takes only 1 second or a moment to do its job.Gedo didnt even have enough time to break out of it.Like i said before its not like an genjutsu where the opponent is traped,its more like an quick space/time attack(if thats what its called).:)

That's not entrirely true, Kakashi struggled to warp away Deidara's arm because Deidara struggled

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Plus, read what Gai says to Kakashi.
 

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That's not entrirely true, Kakashi struggled to warp away Deidara's arm because Deidara struggled

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Plus, read what Gai says to Kakashi.





Kakashi is able to use this technique up to at least three times in a given day, even when starting at full strength. At first Kakashi's aim and control over the size of the barrier was imperfect. Over time his aim and control improved, as he was able to accurately warp away small and fast moving objects, such as a nail. Kakashi is even able to consecutively warp away two fast-moving arrows.

And As Kakashi Wasn't At His Full Strength There Was A High Chance He Would've Died In The Process As He Was Struggling In Battle
 

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Kakashi is able to use this technique up to at least three times in a given day, even when starting at full strength. At first Kakashi's aim and control over the size of the barrier was imperfect. Over time his aim and control improved, as he was able to accurately warp away small and fast moving objects, such as a nail. Kakashi is even able to consecutively warp away two fast-moving arrows.

And As Kakashi Wasn't At His Full Strength There Was A High Chance He Would've Died In The Process As He Was Struggling In Battle

Yes, but Kakashi should be even weaker now, no?

All he warped was a small, kunai.
 

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That's not entrirely true, Kakashi struggled to warp away Deidara's arm because Deidara struggled

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Plus, read what Gai says to Kakashi.

Kakashi struggled because,he lacked experience in using it.He found it diffcult to aim it acurrately at deidara.Thats why he was struggling a bit,but now his control over the MS and kamui has increased.

What Gai meant was that there were 5 tailed beast ball pointed at them,and Kakashi couldnt wrap all of them away in time.Even if one whole,or a small portion of a tailed beast ball hits them,they would surely die.And Kakashi doesnt even have enough chakra to use kamui continuesly to wrap all of the gigantic tailed beast ball.:)
 
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