Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside)

[DeViliShChild]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Ive already explained why water dome wouildnt be wise for Kisame
If any of his hearts are outside the dome, he can just use the lightning heart to shock the dome with both of them in it. And Kakazu would survive cause of his other hearts.
Taijutsu wise Kakazu takes it
With the ability to extend his arms would be quite useful against Kisame
If Kisame decides to summon sharks in the water dome to eat Kakazu, Kakazu can turn his skin to iron. Then the sharks teeth are gonna break

I have several posts explaining why dome would win and your lightening arguement is null. I do not wish to repeat it again so read previous posts

 

[DeViliShChild]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Kakuzu probably wouldn't mind sacrificing a heart to win, so if one of the flying hearts grab kisame and move him, kakuzu would fall out of the dome.

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and kisame still isn't immune to lightning, I havn't seen, or can't remember, samehade has ever taken chakra from a jutsu, only when it touches its opponent i removes chakra, so lightning will affect them, even when fused.
and I have never said they should fly up, it is possible to fly horizontal as well you know

how do you expect his hearts to move in water? if anythign the will at least be slowed down. Kisame is FASTER in water. Hearts couldnt touch him even if they COULD move in the water.

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there is you proof about the pencil.


Lastly, lightening IS CHAKRA just in an elemental way. As shown above CAN BE ABSORBED.

 

[raju22]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

how do you expect his hearts to move in water? if anythign the will at least be slowed down. Kisame is FASTER in water. Hearts couldnt touch him even if they COULD move in the water.

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there is you proof about the pencil.


Lastly, lightening IS CHAKRA just in an elemental way. As shown above CAN BE ABSORBED.

Now where it was said that Samehadha can absorb ninjutsu?

Samehadha absorbed chakra cloak from object\person as shown in the manga.

it can not absorb a direct Ninjutsu because if it is true then it should absorb chakra from Itachi's Katon jutsu but it didn't.

There is only one jutsu shown to absorb every ninjutsu is Fūjutsu Kyūin,used by preta path of rinnegan weilder's such as Nagato\Pain and Madara uchiha.

 

[New knight48]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

good job man ya i agree with you kisame and second mizukage>kakuzu and muu........+ rep!

 

[DeViliShChild]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Now where it was said that Samehadha can absorb ninjutsu?

Samehadha absorbed chakra cloak from object\person as shown in the manga.

it can not absorb a direct Ninjutsu because if it is true then it should absorb chakra from Itachi's Katon jutsu but it didn't.

There is only one jutsu shown to absorb every ninjutsu is Fūjutsu Kyūin,used by preta path of rinnegan weilder's such as Nagato\Pain and Madara uchiha.

ok so apparently you don't/can't understand... So here is my last attempt.




So how was samahada magically able to absorb the lightening around the pencil?
well it must mean that elemental manifestation of lightening is in fact chakara.
OR
Kisame can absorb lightening through samahada. <--- Note not likely....





P.S. Rinnengan absorbs the ninjutsu and throws away the chakra.
Samahada can absorb SIX TAILS WORTH at once. So ANY NINJUTSU with less then that will just be absorbed. and that all goes to Kisame

 

[Carlhens]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I think team kakuzu has the upper hand

 

[raju22]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

ok so apparently you don't/can't understand... So here is my last attempt.

Samahada can absorb chakra correct? (yes)

So how was samahada magically able to absorb the lightening around the pencil?
well it must mean that elemental manifestation of lightening is in fact chakara.
OR
Kisame can absorb lightening through samahada. <--- Note not likely....

You are not understanding what you are claiming here, you are saying that Samehadha can absorb a direct Ninjutsu attack same as preta path, when it was never shown in the manga, Bee's chakra cloak and his chakra around that pencil is same and they are a lot different then a direct ninjutsu.

And if what you are saying is correct then it should absorb chakra from Itachi's Katon jutsu but oh wait... it didn't because it can't.

 

[DeViliShChild]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

You are not understanding what you are claiming here, you are saying that Samehadha can absorb a direct Ninjutsu attack same as preta path, when it was never shown in the manga, Bee's chakra cloak and his chakra around that pencil is same and they are a lot different then a direct ninjutsu.

And if what you are saying is correct then it should absorb chakra from Itachi's Katon jutsu but oh wait... it didn't because it can't.

You failed to understand a basic principle. I cannot debate with you any further because of that:shrug:

 

[raju22]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

You failed to understand a basic principle. I cannot debate with you any further because of that:shrug:

You could not give a proper answer to a simple Q why did it not absorb Chakra from a Katon jutsu if it is able to absorb chakra from a high LVL Raiton attack, By your Logic it can also absorb Jinton attack thrown by Muu as well,since it is also a chakra based attack.

You scream for Manga fact's yet you can not provide a single scan where Samehadha is shown Absorbing Ninjutsu.

It is clear as day who is failing here.

P.S. Rinnengan absorbs the ninjutsu and throws away the chakra.

This is another Example that you do not read manga carefully, Nagato replenished his vitality by using Bee's chakra, it does not throw chakra away.

 

[DeViliShChild]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

You could not give a proper answer to a simple Q why did it not absorb Chakra from a Katon jutsu if it is able to absorb chakra from a high LVL Raiton attack, By your Logic it can also absorb Jinton attack thrown by Muu as well,since it is also a chakra based attack.

You scream for Manga fact's yet you can not provide a single scan where Samehadha is shown Absorbing Ninjutsu.

It is clear as day who is failing here.

i did show you, you just don't understand what it means. I did show "manga facts" you just are not able to interpret them.

I will not respond to you anymore

 

[raju22]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

i did show you, you just don't understand what it means. I did show "manga facts" you just are not able to interpret them.

I will not respond to you anymore

Check my post again, i Showed you where you stand, you are not worth my time.

 

[ProjectOuterspace]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

This was bad ass. You did a great job.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

why is that? he's not a lighting user so he isn't immune...if he uses the water prison, water travels with him so he can't escape it...

FOR ALL OF YOU (such as him ^^^) who believe Kisame is weak against raiton, you are sorely mistaken. Kisame can absorb ALL chakra based jutsu. This includes raiton attacks. Even if the water around him is electrocuted, if it is chakra based lightning, he can absorb it. The Mizukage's ability to become water however makes him weak against this. But for those of you who think raiton spells certain victory, you are wrong.

 

[raju22]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

FOR ALL OF YOU (such as him ^^^) who believe Kisame is weak against raiton, you are sorely mistaken. Kisame can absorb ALL chakra based jutsu. This includes raiton attacks. Even if the water around him is electrocuted, if it is chakra based lightning, he can absorb it. The Mizukage's ability to become water however makes him weak against this. But for those of you who think raiton spells certain victory, you are wrong.

So Kisame can tank every Chakra based Ninjutsu then?

That makes him immune to every Ninjutsu.

Raiton does not mean certain victory Nor does a Jinton or Suiton attack,but they can be a good counter for many attacks when you can use them with other element's simultaneously.

 

[edo x edo]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

This just pretty much proves that no one has the advantage based on chakra nature, except for earth hahaha but this is a good point and gives the team Mizukage side a better advantage.

Kakuzu has earth element...

 

[Leoj of the Teinken]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Kakuzu has earth element...

Yeah that's why I said earth......I said it because everyone's been saying lightning was strong against water. No. It conducts it but is not strong. That's what I was trying to say.

 

[miino]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

one of the best threads,,, rep+

 

[edo x edo]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Not sure who to quote here, DeViliShChild or raju22...

Believe Samehada only absorbs chakra, in the form of chakra. It could absorb the hyper-vibrator raiton blade bacause running through the blade the chakra was still "just chakra".
When the chakra is transforms into a physical form by the means of nature manipulation, samehada can no longer absorb it because it is no longer "just chakra", but something different like lightning, fire, water, wood etc. etc. The chakra has changed into something physical.

Perhaps not the best explanation, but you'll understand it

 

[edo x edo]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Yeah that's why I said earth......I said it because everyone's been saying lightning was strong against water. No. It conducts it but is not strong. That's what I was trying to say.

Aha, Got it! just re-read your post, my bad :sy:

 

[raju22]

Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Not sure who to quote here, DeViliShChild or raju22...

Believe Samehada only absorbs chakra, in the form of chakra. It could absorb the hyper-vibrator raiton blade bacause running through the blade the chakra was still "just chakra".
When the chakra is transforms into a physical form by the means of nature manipulation, samehada can no longer absorb it because it is no longer "just chakra", but something different like lightning, fire, water, wood etc. etc. The chakra has changed into something physical.

Perhaps not the best explanation, but you'll understand it

Haha.. LOL, that is the main factor here that Samehadha has shown chakra absorbing ability but only when it was in a form of Cloak, i am not denying the fact that it can absorb Kakuzu's chakra from his body as well, but it can not tank a chakra transformed in to something else or it would have absorbed Itachi's Katon attack insted of complaining to Bee.xd

Same goes for Kisame, he was seen absorbing chakra from Aoba's chakra needle,but only when they made physical contact, so can Kisame absorb chakra from Ninjutsu, i say no, because then he is more OP then a rinnegan user and this fight is a one way trip for Kakuzu and Muu,or any other Shinobi who fights him.