Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside)

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

No it doesn't. Water does conduct the electricity but if you shoot lightening against water, it will conduct onto the water and it will combine and work AGAINST kakuzu. The electricity has no force behind it once mixed with water, it just combines with the water, and goes where the water goes. and if the water is going onto kakuzu (in the form of any ranged ) then kakuzu gets hurt.
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Sasuke is a Lighting Style user and he didn't get hurt by Darui Wate and lighting attack.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

You do bring up some good points but I am unsure if Kisame will have enough time to use the done seeing as how he will be being attacked from multiple angles all around the same time it could tire himout.
Tire him out lol your funny. His stamina and chakra reserves are compared to tailed beasts. If anybody is going to get tied it will be Kakuzu. Kisame and the water guy will win
Kakuzu's lightning won't have much of an affect because when the mizugake reverts to water it is oily so the lightning will not conduct. I am a Kisame fanboy so whatxd
 

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Sasuke is a Lighting Style user and he didn't get hurt by Darui Wate and lighting attack.
What does that have to do with Kakuzu? Have you seen how Kakuzu's first heart died? I'll give you a hint, Childori
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

nice thread as usual

personaly i think Muu and Kakuzu would win but would still be a good fight!!!
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

No it doesn't. Water does conduct the electricity but if you shoot lightening against water, it will conduct onto the water and it will combine and work AGAINST kakuzu. The electricity has no force behind it once mixed with water, it just combines with the water, and goes where the water goes. and if the water is going onto kakuzu (in the form of any ranged ) then kakuzu gets hurt.
LOL but yea your right :D
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

imma have to go with the kakuzu and muu team on this one cuz they cant really kill muu since one they cant see him they dont have som sort of power to and muu can fly and spam jinton muu is a verry tricky aponent when you think about iy only a cuple can beat him and well kisame is stronger than kakuzu but since kakuzu has to die 5 times itll take kisame a while to kill him while muu just turns invisible and destroys the mizukages clam and him self as well with jinton then muu can turn his attention on kisame while hes fighting kakuzu he wont see jinton coming there for kakuzu is only a distraction while muu kills them both and even if they could see muu invisible if they attacked him he would just do the body duble technique and avoid serious injury therefor living and still winning by jinton it would be interesting to watch them fight tho...awsome thread bro keep it up +rep
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Cool thread as ever. I think you`re good enough at analysing the skills of all Naruto characters so you could make a website just with character analysis charts. I know it would be fanwritten but it`s very professional how you do it. If I had more time, I`d collect them and save them on my hdd. They are really interesting and useful and I enjoy reading them. I could never put stuff like that together because the series is so long that I forget alot, especially the jutsu of people and all the details. I`m happy when I can remember faces, names and looks of the characters. ;)

Because you`re putting so much into it, it`s a large enrichment for the Base to have you around.

Enough of the praise and back on topic. :D

I`m not sure who would win that fight. I know Kisame and Kakuzu well enough and it would be cool to have them battle. I don`t know much about Muu and second Mizukage. I really wonder where you dug out all the stuff about second Mizukage. Impressive. As for Kakuzu and Kisame, I think Kakuzu would beat Kisame. Kisame is abit limited with his water style while Kakuzu has a wide range and can do extremely powerful jutsu of all elements. He barely has a weakness. The team factor makes it very hard though. Have to really think about it what happens when you add in the kage skills.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Another great thread full of good thinking and coherent thoughts.I don't know who would win since it would be a difficult fight for any side, but regarless your efforts are impressive, kudos to you my friend.Great read.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

This is a very tricky fight and it could go either way.

I agree that Kisame is stronger than Kakuzu and Kisame's giant shark jutsu(forgot the actual name,it's the jutsu he used against Gai on the giant turtle) will render Kakuzu's lightning useless as it absorbs jutsu to grow even stronger.The main problem for Kisame's team is Muu and his jinton,to top that he is a sensor,so he can sense most incoming attacks(like he sensed Naruto).
Kisame's fusion with samehada will be a tough one to beat and the 2nd Mizukage shouldn't be underestimated either.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

lol... earth chakra> water natured chakra
but +rep none the less
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Kisame's water prison could give team 1 an edge over team 2. someone said that electricity travels with water...let's not forget that Kakuzu has five hearts so he can use a large scale lighting attack inside the prison and if his masks aren't attached, he won't die; being oily, Mizukage would escape it, but a jinton from Muu (at a big scale) would end it: Muu could escape from the prison with his invisibility while Kakuzu uses his Grudge technique to keep Kisame busy.

a big problem for team 2 would be the water shark bullet technique because it absorbs the attacks, although I'm curious if it could absorb a Jinton as big as the one made by Onoki against Madara's clones.

I would say that if Kakuzu detaches his hearts from the beginning his team wins.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Ok, here I go on my rambling comment. I would like to make it more coherent, but I honestly have trouble picturing 2 vs 2's in my head, so I just gotta wing it!

So, to begin with, the Mizukage's clam genjutsu is a nonfactor. Muu's sensing abilities will make that no problem at all.

Also, Kisame's fused form I highly doubt HAS to be in water to survive. The fused form just allows him to breath and move more quickly and easily underwater. I believe he should be able to function perfectly fine in his fused form while not underwater, he just doesn't use it outside of water because having a sword in that case is better for combat.

Next, electrifying water would do nothing against Kisame, but it WOULD work against the Second Mizukage. However, any damage done to the Second Mizukage can easily be fixed by Kisame, who can just transfer chakra to the Mizukage.

Now, a major problem for Kisame and the Mizukage is the possibility of a joint attack. Muu and Kakuzu could both use a massive fire style technique aided by wind which could possibly counter the massive water techniques, or they could both create a massive earth technique, which would almost certainly defeat the water techniques, maybe even possibly the water dome.

Also though, as was mentioned, the shark bullet could turn this whole plan around entirely. Aided by the second Mizukage, it should in effect be the game winner here. Muu could fly out of the way, but Kakuzu is screwed. Honestly, this jutsu is what makes me believe the two water users win this one.

Any katon techniques would also very likely be counterable by joki boy, which would just use them to heat up and cause massive explosions against Muu and Kakuzu. However, Muu could slow it down by controlling its weight, which would lessen its efficiency.

A major question here would also be whether or not Muu's jinton can be absorbed. I'll think on that one.

And for now, I'll stop here. I'm tired. It's late over here...
 
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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

kakuzu is a pretty old guy, and would therefore know about samehadas abilities to steal chakra - so I believe he would use his taijutsu skills to not get hit by it instead of atacking kisame. Kakuzu would be able to stall kisame and mizukage while Muu takes it to the sky, out of range of water and uses his jinton.
If mizukage turns into water, kakuzu can use lightning, if he uses oil kakuzu can guard himself with earth.
Mu and kakuzu would perhaps have some trouble with mizukages speed, but i believe they would be able to dodge and hit him while he is heating up.
The sheer scale of kisames water attacks would also cause troubles, but he would be distracted by jintons, leaving him unable to fully use his abilities.

Kakuzu and muu takes it at hard dif
 

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Ok, here I go on my rambling comment. I would like to make it more coherent, but I honestly have trouble picturing 2 vs 2's in my head, so I just gotta wing it!

So, to begin with, the Mizukage's clam genjutsu is a nonfactor. Muu's sensing abilities will make that no problem at all.

Also, Kisame's fused form I highly doubt HAS to be in water to survive. The fused form just allows him to breath and move more quickly and easily underwater. I believe he should be able to function perfectly fine in his fused form while not underwater, he just doesn't use it outside of water because having a sword in that case is better for combat.

Next, electrifying water would do nothing against Kisame, but it WOULD work against the Second Mizukage. However, any damage done to the Second Mizukage can easily be fixed by Kisame, who can just transfer chakra to the Mizukage.

Now, a major problem for Kisame and the Mizukage is the possibility of a joint attack. Muu and Kakuzu could both use a massive fire style technique aided by wind which could possibly counter the massive water techniques, or they could both create a massive earth technique, which would almost certainly defeat the water techniques, maybe even possibly the water dome.

Also though, as was mentioned, the shark bullet could turn this whole plan around entirely. Aided by the second Mizukage, it should in effect be the game winner here. Muu could fly out of the way, but Kakuzu is screwed. Honestly, this jutsu is what makes me believe the two water users win this one.

Any katon techniques would also very likely be counterable by joki boy, which would just use them to heat up and cause massive explosions against Muu and Kakuzu. However, Muu could slow it down by controlling its weight, which would lessen its efficiency.

A major question here would also be whether or not Muu's jinton can be absorbed. I'll think on that one.

And for now, I'll stop here. I'm tired. It's late over here...
First of, lightning atack should work on kisame as he is not an lightning style user and therefore isn't immune.

However, any damage done to the Second Mizukage can easily be fixed by Kisame, who can just transfer chakra to the Mizukage.
^this - even though kisame has loads of chakra, he would run dry at some point if he has to re-fill mizukage all the time, and kakuzu/muu would never allow kisame to hit them enough times to make a difference.

A joint atack from kakuzu/muu against mizukage with earth to slow him down and fire/lightning to finish him of could work. I know muu and mizukage killed eachother last time they fought, but kakuzu can really make some trouble, allowing muu to make some magic.
 
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