Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside)

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

How does anyone here think that Kakuzu even stands a chance vs Kisame?
I am not saying Kisame cant beat Kakuzu I just don't see him winning, Kakuzu is a close/mid rang fighter and Kisame will have a hell of a time trying to avoid 4 different elemental attacks coming at him from multiple angles.

But please explain how Kisame > Kakuzu?
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I am not saying Kisame cant beat Kakuzu I just don't see him winning, Kakuzu is a close/mid rang fighter and Kisame will have a hell of a time trying to avoid 4 different elemental attacks coming at him from multiple angles.

But please explain how Kisame > Kakuzu?
I have no reason to believe that anything Kakuzu has can actually kill Kisame, while Kisame can simply water dome and suck all the life out of Kakuzu and kill.

Kakuzu could try to electrocute the water while in the dome, but there is a few problems with that.

1. Hurts himself
2. I don't think it could affect all of the water and would just end up dissipating. (dome is huge)
3. Kisame sucks of the chakara from everything in the dome, including the lighting .(which is made from chakra)

Non water dome arguments include his Giant f'ing shark that eats chakra attacks and becomes stronger from them pretty much negating most of kakuzu's arsenal.

Taijutsu goes to Kisame simply because of Samahada will eat away at Kakuzu if he stays close.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I have no reason to believe that anything Kakuzu has can actually kill Kisame, while Kisame can simply water dome and suck all the life out of Kakuzu and kill.

Kakuzu could try to electrocute the water while in the dome, but there is a few problems with that.

1. Hurts himself
2. I don't think it could affect all of the water and would just end up dissipating. (dome is huge)
3. Kisame sucks of the chakara from everything in the dome, including the lighting .(which is made from chakra)

Non water dome arguments include his Giant f'ing shark that eats chakra attacks and becomes stronger from them pretty much negating most of kakuzu's arsenal.

Taijutsu goes to Kisame simply because of Samahada will eat away at Kakuzu if he stays close.

Good point
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I have no reason to believe that anything Kakuzu has can actually kill Kisame, while Kisame can simply water dome and suck all the life out of Kakuzu and kill.

Kakuzu could try to electrocute the water while in the dome, but there is a few problems with that.

1. Hurts himself
2. I don't think it could affect all of the water and would just end up dissipating. (dome is huge)
3. Kisame sucks of the chakara from everything in the dome, including the lighting .(which is made from chakra)

Non water dome arguments include his Giant f'ing shark that eats chakra attacks and becomes stronger from them pretty much negating most of kakuzu's arsenal.

Taijutsu goes to Kisame simply because of Samahada will eat away at Kakuzu if he stays close.
You do bring up some good points but I am unsure if Kisame will have enough time to use the done seeing as how he will be being attacked from multiple angles all around the same time it could tire himout.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Team Kisame.


Kisame > Kakuzu

Second tsuchikage= Second mizukage.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

How does anyone here think that Kakuzu even stands a chance vs Kisame?
1.Element: Lighting>Water

2.Life's: Kakuzu only needs to kill Kisame once but Kisame has to kill Kakuzu five times us we all know Kukuzu has five hearts.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

You do bring up some good points but I am unsure if Kisame will have enough time to use the done seeing as how he will be being attacked from multiple angles all around the same time it could tire himout.
He is labeled as the tailed beast without tails, i have NO worries of him being tired. If anything i would be worried about Kakuzu's stamina.
databook gives Kisame a 5 in stamina while kakuzu has 4.5. Not much of a difference, but when someones chakra is not only being taken away from them and given to the opponent, then that creates a big problem.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I have no reason to believe that anything Kakuzu has can actually kill Kisame, while Kisame can simply water dome and suck all the life out of Kakuzu and kill.

Kakuzu could try to electrocute the water while in the dome, but there is a few problems with that.

1. Hurts himself
2. I don't think it could affect all of the water and would just end up dissipating. (dome is huge)
3. Kisame sucks of the chakara from everything in the dome, including the lighting .(which is made from chakra)

Non water dome arguments include his Giant f'ing shark that eats chakra attacks and becomes stronger from them pretty much negating most of kakuzu's arsenal.

Taijutsu goes to Kisame simply because of Samahada will eat away at Kakuzu if he stays close.
Hmm how did kiler be survive i dont recall kisame being able to absorb ninjutsu like nagato
so since hed be able to use jutsu hed be able to use lightning
aand you think muu would let kisame create that he can fly
kisame and 2nd cant
ineresting battle it depends on the lovation imo
id say team mizukage wins tho
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

He is labeled as the tailed beast without tails, i have NO worries of him being tired. If anything i would be worried about Kakuzu's stamina.
databook gives Kisame a 5 in stamina while kakuzu has 4.5. Not much of a difference, but when someones chakra is not only being taken away from them and given to the opponent, then that creates a big problem.
You do have me on that one I must admit :)
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Hmm how did kiler be survive i dont recall kisame being able to absorb ninjutsu like nagato
so since hed be able to use jutsu hed be able to use lightning
aand you think muu would let kisame create that he can fly
kisame and 2nd cant
ineresting battle it depends on the lovation imo
id say team mizukage wins tho


Killer bee lost, but Samahada liked him so he restored his chakra.

And remember when Samahada sucked out the chakara lightening from the pencil bee threw at him before it was even able to hit him? The lightening is a manifestation of chakra, which can be absorbed.

as for Muu, he will be busy with the second mizukage who if you remember killed each other in battle.

Lastly, i think Kisame would be a great battle just vs Muu himself. His shark bullet would theoretically tump Jinton. And once again Samahada would theoretically suck up enough of jinton chakra to avoid it being a fatal blow. (and it would just regenerate him)
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

You don't get it do you Lighting element as advantage over Water and Earth.
No it doesn't. Water does conduct the electricity but if you shoot lightening against water, it will conduct onto the water and it will combine and work AGAINST kakuzu. The electricity has no force behind it once mixed with water, it just combines with the water, and goes where the water goes. and if the water is going onto kakuzu (in the form of any ranged ) then kakuzu gets hurt.
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

I believe Muu and Kakuzu take this.
Muu and Kakuzu are both tactical and adapt quickly to fight against these Water based fighters.

Kakuzu has an electric heart which immediately counters thier primary Water Element. That heart can fly above and constantly barrage them with Lightening release.
As for Dust release, I assume it would get absorbed by the shark missle from Kisame. But Samehada could not absorb that.
As for close range Muu and Kakuzu are superior.
Kakuzu and Muu have the advantage of flight on thier hands which is 7 flying enemies barraging you with basically all the elemnts you can think of.

Remember Muu can decrease the weight of those hearts as well as Kakuzu to make them immensly fast, as well as increase the weight of any object or person, including Samehada, Jouki Boy, 2nd Mizukage and Kisame. To the point where they can't use those or move themselves.

Muu and Kakuzu are just 2 powerful
 

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Re: Proof that Kisame and Second Mizukage > Kakuzu and Muu (Actual Explanation Inside

Wow really nice thread, well put together and its not trolling. +Rep for you my friend
 
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