-The Almighty Genjutsu-

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This is all pure speculation about the timeline of Naruto, so keep that in mind while reading. Also I figured some people will through it to side and dismiss it as nonsense. These are the some that through the possibility of a Ten-Tails or Karin being an Uzumaki to the side and dismiss it as well. All in all, I would encourage you to keep an open mind while reading. For those, who dislike reading long texts I have included a concise summary at the end of this post. ;)

Forever Rivals:

After reading some theories here on the base, I began pondering over the fact how the author has Naruto setup as being the new Rikudou Sennin. This made me question how the author was going to keep Sasuke as Naruto’s equivalent, for the Rikudou Sennin defeats all Shinobi in the Naruto Universe simply because he is an analogous to a God; therefore a God can handle any adversary that comes his way right? It’s presuming, but that isn’t always the case. The only know adversary to have been on an equal level and clashed with the Sage is the Juubi, and it seems to me that Sasuke may very well be the incarnation. This is the only way for the author to keep Sasuke as Naruto’s equivalent, with the implications the story has been giving thus far, there is no better suited analogy than Sasuke to being the incarnation of the Juubi.


A Legendary Battle With Eternal Consequences:

The battle concerning the Sage and the Juubi is believed of many in the Naruto World as a simple legend. This legend however, may hold the very validity of the world, but unfortunately it is recondite; therefore it may be shrouded with the glimmering truths of the world and the sorrowful portentous secrets of it as well. As I was rereading some chapter, I realized something important, why the Great Toad Sage couldn’t remember who Naruto was, the Great Toad Sage has seemingly been alive for hundreds, and possibly thousands of years and for him not remember the Naruto with all the implications of him being the Sage is surprisingly awkward. This leads me to suspect that maybe the Juubi did something to the world before being either sealed into the Rikudou Sennin or cast to the moon. I’ve been thinking that the Juubi may have possibly placed the world in some sort of genjutsu. The genjutsu that was cast was a genjutsu that focuses on and targets the inhabitant’s memories and represses them making it so nothing has any recollection of much if anything at all; thus keeping them in a time loop.

A Possible End:

I was thoughtful about how could this be turned around- in a sense of escaping this genjutsu and wouldn’t it eventually fade away. The answer to the former, may have been becoming the embodiment of all this is destructive, bad, damaging, etc. once that was done that ‘being ‘ could escape the genjutsu and be free from its hold over them, but not the time loop they were in. To answer the latter if whether or not the genjutsu would eventually fade away, the Juubi must have done something to keep its influenced over the world, one speculation was just by having it’s charka in the world, the genjutsu would continue to maintain its properties. Thinking about it in a certain sense, the timeline of Naruto doesn’t make any sense; there are certain gaps in the story that are just too great to be ignored such as the Elder Son vs. the Younger Son, but the greatest is Tobi’s existence.

Naruto's Narrative:

It seems the story of Naruto follows a presumably disjointed narrative or a nonlinear timeline, it doesn’t follow the beginning, but instead Naruto in particular picks up the story in the middle; when we see Naruto being born-then is where it starts. To elaborate more on this narrative it usually uses a great deal of flashbacks and the point of view from different characters (more was used in part one then in part two, but the general rules still applies). Certainly if the author is using this technique for the story of Naruto, then the time loop concept for it could certainly fit in as well. The only problem would be is piecing it all together, and due to the nature of how this topic was approached, it’s an entire new concept.

The One Who Has Seen It All:

There was a person who escaped the genjutsu. He goes by a mononymous name “Tobi.” Tobi was able to break the genjutsu, by becoming the embodiment of evil. Tobi was acutely aware of the loop, but could not stop it the world from repeating the loop time, as such he was forced to retain his memories of a world subjugated to countless wars. After witnessing this countless times, he grew to be misanthropic, which soundly lead him to his resolve that he has to forcefully bring about peace. After many years of precaution planning, Tobi met with strong shinobis and found one shinobi in particular whose power could be used to further his plans. Tobi teamed up with this exceptional doujutsu wielder, but keep him in the dark of the vast majority of his plans. Tobi made sure to only tell his accomplice the end goal of this plan, and it was steadily put into motion. Tobi would later reveal this scheme to be the “Eye of the Moon Plan,” which he subjectively hopes will stop the world from repeating the loop, and instead place it in his own genjutsu.

Summary:

Concise Summary: I believe that before the Juubi was sealed or cast to the moon, it set a genjutsu on the world as part as its curse. This genjutsu put all of the inhabitants of the planet and a loop, and in a repressive state where they could not remember anything from the previous loop. It also claims Sasuke as being the Juubi, and Naruto the Rikudou Sennin.
 
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naruto has more chance of obtaining juubi than sasuke. and sasuke has high chance of obtaining rinnegan than naruto i think naruto will gain power up like juubi chakra mode and sasuke will get perfect susanoo and rinnegan
 
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Hey nice theories ^-^
Rep+ and 5 stars :)
Very interesting and maybe possible , who knows :D
 

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i appreciate but i higly doubt that will happen
 

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naruto has more chance of obtaining than sasuke. and sasuke has high chance of obtaining rinnegan than naruto


Due to the characteristics of Naruto and Sasuke I put them in their respective places. Naruto's goal is to seek peace, whilst Sasuke's goal is to cause destruction.
 
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good one mate, I didn't intend to but I ended up reading it all... it might as well be true... +rep.
 

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Not a bad speculation of an idea. I just don't agree with Sasuke having anything to do or relate with the Juubi.
 

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I’m glad you chose to differ the original outline of the thread, it’s still a good read nevertheless.
 

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i still think naruto+sasuke=rikudou sennin and tobi=juubi
 

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That's a very intelligent theory though the point about the genjutsu is only half true for me, it isn't a direct genjutsu where illusion supersedes reality but rather a subscionous one where obvious patterns in time aren't noticed.

However this might be due to the physical limit on how long a person can live, memories themselves (Oonki can't remember everything in the way he saw it) and if different people slightly alter the situations with their own actions e.g. Minato defied this loop and created his own destiny.

Also if the entire world is in this subconscious genjutsu, how does Tobi understand and see the clear loop when explaining the parallels between the fights of Hashirama Vs Madara to that of Naruto vs Sasuke ?

This was a great read and the first thought simulating thread for a while +Rep
 

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i like wat ur thinking
but also what if the juubi put all the people who knew about the rikudou sennin under a genjutsu before he got sealed so no one ever knew about him & thats why he is known as a myth now cause there is no proof of him ever existing
 

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That's a very intelligent theory though the point about the genjutsu is only half true for me, it isn't a direct genjutsu where illusion supersedes reality but rather a subscionous one where obvious patterns in time aren't noticed.

However this might be due to the physical limit on how long a person can live, memories themselves (Oonki can't remember everything in the way he saw it) and if different people slightly alter the situations with their own actions e.g. Minato defied this loop and created his own destiny.

Also if the entire world is in this subconscious genjutsu, how does Tobi understand and see the clear loop when explaining the parallels between the fights of Hashirama Vs Madara to that of Naruto vs Sasuke ?

This was a great read and the first thought simulating thread for a while +Rep


I have a solution to the problem that would be pierce it all together, and due to the nature of how this topic was approached, it’s an entire new concept.
 

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I have a solution to the problem that would be pierce it all together, and due to the nature of how this topic was approached, it’s an entire new concept.

Hearing a solution would be great to the obvious problems i've just suggested

if they're sufficent i'll 100% agree with your theory
 

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Hearing a solution would be great to the obvious problems i've just suggested

if they're sufficent i'll 100% agree with your theory

I'd have to PM you about it, for I was told by the people that I worked on it with to keep it under wraps.
 

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Great thread OP, yeah I like the idea of something like this happening and can see it being possible, always liked the idea of "Lol it was all a genjutsu".

I'm interested in seeing the "solution" you mentioned too, stuff in the OP ties together pretty well but IMO I still have some questions with it.

More 'speculation' than support really, but that's cool, since I love theories like this and make ridiculous theories all the time lol(not like this one is ridiculous..but yeah), and the OP itself says it's a speculative idea, so props. Regardless +reps man nice thread.
 

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It's really interesting, but just not possible. Sasuke can't be the juubi when all the tailed beasts existed prior to and at the same time as Sasuke. Furthermore, Sasuke never showed the extreme levels of chakra that tailed beasts have.
 

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It's really interesting, but just not possible. Sasuke can't be the juubi when all the tailed beasts existed prior to and at the same time as Sasuke. Furthermore, Sasuke never showed the extreme levels of chakra that tailed beasts have.

While Sasuke does not ahve tailed beat chakra levels he did battle with Raikage, Danzo and for awhile Kakashi. Yes, Karin gave him some chakra but still.
 
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