Lets face facts. Kakashi > Edo Madara.

[fastrthnwind]

Kakashi channels chakra to sharingan.

Sharingan turns to MS

Kakashi uses MS technique using chakra sent to MS

MS absorbs chakra used to make the technique

s/t barrier form around target

The barrier is just the parameter in which kakashi uses to absorb an object. The larger the barrier, the more he can warp away with kamui. Its not actually made of chakra itself.

 

[KingHashirama]

Considering the fact Kakashi couldn't take on pein with the help of Chouji and chouji's father.. He has no chance against madara.. Please don't overrate Kamui. Kakashi is still less the Tsunade.

Show me a pic where Madara has shown he was able to use Amaterasu. And if you can, show me also where you've seen it was said that Amaterasu was faster

show us where it says Kamui can beat Madara??? show us where it rates the speed of Kamui..

And suggestion to you is. Please go read about EMS abilities.. but i'll help you a litle.. Anyone with Ems has Sasuano'o, Amaterasu, and The genjutsu.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Show me a pic where Madara has shown he was able to use Amaterasu. And if you can, show me also where you've seen it was said that Amaterasu was faster

Madara has never been shown to use Ama so it can't be used as an argument for his arsenal. Ama is faster than Kamui.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Kakashi channels chakra to sharingan.

Sharingan turns to MS

Kakashi uses MS technique using chakra sent to MS

MS absorbs chakra used to make the technique

s/t barrier form around target

The barrier is just the parameter in which kakashi uses to absorb an object. The larger the barrier, the more he can warp away with kamui. Its not actually made of chakra itself.

The barrier has to be made of chakra in order to exist for it to be a ninjutsu. The MS is just tool to create the jutsu. The jutsu is the actual S/T barrier so it is made up of chakra.

 

[lol99]

Eh that's a pretty...retarded logic.
I mean if that was the case, wouldn't he be able to spam it without the loss of chakra? >_>

I don't think you understood his point. Even if chakra is not expelled from the body it can still get used up.

Kakashi drains his chakra whenever his sharingan is active. He doesn't expel chakra from his body while using sharingan but he still uses up chakra

 

[Bogard]

Madara has never been shown to use Ama so it can't be used as an argument for his arsenal. Ama is faster than Kamui.

Nothing proves Amaterasu is faster than Kamui unless you've a link that proves that. Infact i actually believe the contrary since you only need to focus on something to release kamui, when Amaterasu only appear after bleeding in an eye, so if we take that into consideration, Kamui seems to be more instant than Amaterasu

Another thing you must know is that Amaterasu is a close range jutsu when Kamui has no range, so you can release it everywhere your eye can see

 

[fastrthnwind]

Considering the fact Kakashi couldn't take on pein with the help of Chouji and chouji's father.. He has no chance against madara.. Please don't overrate Kamui. Kakashi is still less the Tsunade.




show us where it says Kamui can beat Madara??? show us where it rates the speed of Kamui..

And suggestion to you is. Please go read about EMS abilities.. but i'll help you a litle.. Anyone with Ems has Sasuano'o, Amaterasu, and The genjutsu.

Actually, each MS has different abilties. Itachi was the original person to have Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. He transfered his powers to Sasuke.

Kakashi has Kamui, which is different than amaterasu and tsukuyomi.

Once both eyes awaken MS then the user can use susanoo,

 

[Shady Doctor]

Kakashi channels chakra to sharingan.

Sharingan turns to MS

Kakashi uses MS technique using chakra sent to MS

MS absorbs chakra used to make the technique

s/t barrier form around target

The barrier is just the parameter in which kakashi uses to absorb an object. The larger the barrier, the more he can warp away with kamui. Its not actually made of chakra itself.

No, just no..

He activates MS.

Sends chakra to it, then uses the MS as a medium to use that chakra to manipulate t/s..

All MS is used for is to be the medium to send chakra at that etes taeget to create the abilities.

Amaterasu - uses the eye as a medium to use chakra to create flames.

Same as Tsukiyomi..
but you have your own view, which obviously wont change so meh. :shrug:

 

[leeko]

kinda like how tobi can one shot warp you too but he cant beat everyone with that alone

 

[AnimeFan002]

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[fastrthnwind]

The barrier has to be made of chakra in order to exist for it to be a ninjutsu. The MS is just tool to create the jutsu. The jutsu is the actual S/T barrier so it is made up of chakra.

Its a ninjutsu becasue chakra is molded and used to create it. The barrier is part of the s/t parameters used to measure how much kakashi can warp away with it.

 

[6pathofpain]

Dont care wheter this is trolling or not

He cant Kamui something the size of a small meteor he can rip someones arm off with preparation and severe chakra loss

I think deidara's explosion was bigger than a smal metor and he did that pretty quick and he was about to take 5 TBB at the same dam time. WHich is also bigger than a small metor. I think its safe to say it could be done, i also think its safe to say he could beat anyone besides tobi with that jutsu. If he can hit them that is. But he has gotten extremely good with it since his fight with pain.

 

[Strict]

Show me a pic where Madara has shown he was able to use Amaterasu. And if you can, show me also where you've seen it was said that Amaterasu was faster

Itachi and the Databook say that the awakening of Susanoo happens after you you can use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, that's a fact. And Amaterasu is faster since it is instantly. During Kakashi has to aim for the object until he has absorbed it, Amaterasu appears directly. So you don't have to aim for the target as long, since one glance is automatically casting this flame.

Seriously, I don't want do further discuss this shit, you people spend too much time here..

 

[fastrthnwind]

No, just no..

He activates MS.

Sends chakra to it, then uses the MS as a medium to use that chakra to manipulate t/s..

All MS is used for is to be the medium to send chakra at that etes taeget to create the abilities.

Amaterasu - uses the eye as a medium to use chakra to create flames.

Same as Tsukiyomi..
but you have your own view, which obviously wont change so meh. :shrug:

The MS isn't a medium.

It simply summons techniques when chakra is channeled to it. Amaterasu isn't made of chakra, otherwise it could be absorbed by peta path during nagato's fight with itachi.

In the same respect, kamui isn't made of chakra because it is summoned as a s/t warp

 

[SSW Imp]

Edo Madara his on his own doing very well against 5 kages. Rinnengan>sharingan. Kakashi is nowhere near any of the kages except Tsunade. If your trying to troll than good job,but if your not then, I don't know what to do with you Dante. I thought I knew you.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

@lol99: Chakra is used when Kakashi uses the sharingan because that is the only place it is used, just the sharingans base abilities that only take place in the eye. Kamui's barrier is away from Kakashi's body, and the chakra used makes up the barrier itself.

@Bogard: Nothing proves that Kamui is faster than Ama. It still has a prep time based on the size of the barrier created. Once released, both hit the target instantly but Kamui has to close the barrier around the target to do damage. Ama does damage as soon as it hits.

Here Kamui doesn't do any damage because it didn't close onto the target

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Ama does its damage as soon as it hits.

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[fastrthnwind]

@lol99: Chakra is used when Kakashi uses the sharingan because that is the only place it is used, just the sharingans base abilities that only take place in the eye. Kamui's barrier is away from Kakashi's body, and the chakra used makes up the barrier itself.

The MS summons the s/t warp using the chakra that is channeled into it. The barrier isn't physical, otherwise it could be destroyed by anyone who attacks it. It's just parameters that kakashi uses to determine how much matter he can warp.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Its a ninjutsu becasue chakra is molded and used to create it. The barrier is part of the s/t parameters used to measure how much kakashi can warp away with it.

Look at William24's post on page 6. MS is the medium for the jutsu. Like MS is the medium for all the other MS jutsu.

 

[Bogard]

Itachi and the Databook say that the awakening of Susanoo happens after you you can use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, that's a fact. And Amaterasu is faster since it is instantly. During Kakashi has to aim for the object until he has absorbed it, Amaterasu appears directly. So you don't have to aim for the target as long, since one glance is automatically casting this flame.

Seriously, I don't want do further discuss this shit, you people spend too much time here..

Kakashi is said to have thousand techniques. So i can actually create techniques for him if i want but i don't do it simply cuz we've not seen him doing that. I've never seen Madara using Amaterasu, so i don't know why i will admit he has it. Tobi has Rinnengan, but until now he has shown no Rinnengan techniques. And even if he had it, he has never shown it, so don't know why it even comes in the debate

And about the debate between Amaterasu and Kamui, all what i've notice is that to use Amaterasu your eye must be bleeding before. At that time, kamui is already released before Amaterasu since your eye doesn't need to be bleeding. The jutsu appears and send object instantaneously even confirmed by databook

 

[lol99]

@lol99: Chakra is used when Kakashi uses the sharingan because that is the only place it is used, just the sharingans base abilities that only take place in the eye. Kamui's barrier is away from Kakashi's body, and the chakra used makes up the barrier itself.[/IMG]

which is the exact point the poor guy has been trying to make for so many pages.

If anything bring up a page from anywhere which says a space time barrier is made up of chakra