Can someone explain how hashirama is supposed to be the strongest.

[sage22]

One more thing in the databook it says hiruzen never lost a fight but hashirama died in battle to a no name ninja haha deal with that gayboys

 

[rikkudou sennin22]

Hashirama slams Hiruzen hands down IMO , Hashirama would have wiped the floor with hiruzen , Not only did he defeat madara but he had instantaneous healing abilities and could raise a forest in seconds so please dude if you wana marry Hiruzen do it in your own time and space ....#jussayin!

 

[x9lb babynaruto]

I completely agree, everybody got on the hashirama bandwagon ever since madara came in hyping the shit out of hashirama. So many fanboys, where the ONLY proof of him fighting is in part one and he got his ass kicked by old hiruzen. What people don't get is that EMS MADARA was the one who fought hashirama not OP Rinnegan/Edo madara. Hashi=Hype. I'm not saying he's weak in any way just think everybody makes hi seem like he's in Edo madaras/tobi/So6p's league

 

[KamuiShiryu]

You must be registered for see images

Here he is stating how he needs orochimaru chakara to strengthen the Bind power not the power of the people....... scein the people are revived with the power they had b4 they died so please dont put that hishi and tob weren't at full strength.

You must be registered for see images

Kabuto here is stating that orochimaru had already perfected the edo

You must be registered for see images

Elder chiyo here says it's been further developed since tobirama and is impressed by how strong the user must be in order to control that many souls once again i haven't seen where it says the power of the people has also gone up

 

[rikkudou sennin22]

Dude if the Edo Madara is hyping the shit out of Hashirama, while destroying all five kages at the same time ..does it not make sense that Hashirama was helluva lot stronger than Hiruzen, its simple f#ckin logic to think that if Edo madara says nobody else could stop him in the one of the latest manga's it is fact that no other shinobi let alone the third stood a chance in stopping him.So plz P!ss off Hashirama would destroy and i mean destroy Hiruzen hands f@ckin down:noc:

 

[sage22]

Dude if the Edo Madara is hyping the shit out of Hashirama, while destroying all five kages at the same time ..does it not make sense that Hashirama was helluva lot stronger than Hiruzen, its simple f#ckin logic to think that if Edo madara says nobody else could stop him in the one of the latest manga's it is fact that no other shinobi let alone the third stood a chance in stopping him.So plz P!ss off Hashirama would destroy and i mean destroy Hiruzen hands f@ckin down:noc:

This guy here is another idiot. What does edo madara talking about how hashirama is the only to beat him have to do with a shinobi he knows nothing about as far as we know.

 

[KamuiShiryu]

Dude if the Edo Madara is hyping the shit out of Hashirama, while destroying all five kages at the same time ..does it not make sense that Hashirama was helluva lot stronger than Hiruzen, its simple f#ckin logic to think that if Edo madara says nobody else could stop him in the one of the latest manga's it is fact that no other shinobi let alone the third stood a chance in stopping him.So plz P!ss off Hashirama would destroy and i mean destroy Hiruzen hands f@ckin down:noc:

so tell me how does a guy who's has not seen the 3rd and has been dead for god knows how long ... know how stronge the third is?????? nice try :ice:

and once again i think the 1st might stand the best chance against madara but only because he would be able to control a tailed beast and madara said a tailed beast is the only thing with the same amount of power as his PS kinda like guy is built to beat kisame

 

[irishboy9780]

. U have no proof madara or hashirama only use their full power against each other.

You must be registered for see links

He atleast intentionally held back in his fight against oonoki.

 

[rikkudou sennin22]

This guy here is another idiot. What does edo madara talking about how hashirama is the only to beat him have to do with a shinobi he knows nothing about as far as we know.

Firstly your mother is an idiot , secondly get your grammar sorted i dont a shit know what you are saying ...All im saying is Hashirama would strike the third down like the b!tch you and him are...

 

[markdabomb22]

So you are saying Hiruzen can defeat Madara haha yea right

can Hiruzen beat Madara? Don't think so, can he do wood style? Don't think so. Is he a senju with a legendary body and chakra? Don't think so, must I go on?

Just because Hiruzen>hashi does not mean that Hiruzen>Madara..... that logic does not work in the narutoverse.....Hashi ability's perfectly counter madaras.....

 

[rikkudou sennin22]

so tell me how does a guy who's has not seen the 3rd and has been dead for god knows how long ... know how stronge the third is?????? nice try :ice:

and once again i think the 1st might stand the best chance against madara but only because he would be able to control a tailed beast and madara said a tailed beast is the only thing with the same amount of power as his PS kinda like guy is built to beat kisame

Are you bent or just dyslexic ???? who said anything about Hashirama knowing how strong the third is ??? have you lost the plot ??? I know how strong hiruzen is and i am saying that Hashirama will whoop his ass .....not madara or hashirama saying it you imbecile

 

[Bloody Temari]

If Hashirama was perfect in part1 while being controlled why didn't he just use those flowers to kill Hiruzen? Yes I think Orochimaru was controlling them and having some fun. If he had been serious Hiruzen would have had no chance.

 

[GenKiDama]

Ok,listen..... You ready?

HASHIRAMA>>>HIRUZEN. Kishi decided to change how powerful the first was as well. It's a plothole

 

[Orochimagus]

You do not pay attention, people. Orochimaru's Edo was perfected because it allowed him to control those he brought back to life. Tobirama's version was originally created so that ninja could use massively destructive Jutsu on entire battlefields so this means he used allies for this. Tobirama could not control them.

Hashirama was at full power, but he never got to USE it because Orochimaru did not know the limits. He had to take full control of the Hokages because they knew how to break the summon and they would have turned on him. This is why Kabuto lets Madara have free will and asks him to show him his full power. Kabuto was surprised and would have definitely not have used all the abilities Madara displayed if he controlled him.

The reason that the manga contradicts itself on which is the strongest Kage has to do with Kishimoto having a vague style. He didn't want to place either of the Sannin as superior, so the one fight they had, he gave them all a weakness/fear to make the results unclear. He starts getting finicky with this.

Regardless of how he does not make up his mind, since this is his story, we are to take the newest evidence as the most reliable source. Hiruzen was stated to be the strongest during his part of the story, later Minato was placed as the strongest when he came into the picture. Hashirama is most certainly the strongest now by how much the story says so. Look at it this way: People thought Minato was the strongest Hokage because he is the only one people of this generation saw in battle. Hashirama has been gone for so long that the stories of his might are seen as incredible to the point where they dub it a fairy tale. We already have him placed at a god status similar to the sage of six paths, and Madara confirmed he was strong enough to re-write entire MAPS. No way Minato or Hiruzen can compare to that so just accept what Kishi says.

 

[rikkudou sennin22]

You do not pay attention, people. Orochimaru's Edo was perfected because it allowed him to control those he brought back to life. Tobirama's version was originally created so that ninja could use massively destructive Jutsu on entire battlefields so this means he used allies for this. Tobirama could not control them.

Hashirama was at full power, but he never got to USE it because Orochimaru did not know the limits. He had to take full control of the Hokages because they knew how to break the summon and they would have turned on him. This is why Kabuto lets Madara have free will and asks him to show him his full power. Kabuto was surprised and would have definitely not have used all the abilities Madara displayed if he controlled him.

The reason that the manga contradicts itself on which is the strongest Kage has to do with Kishimoto having a vague style. He didn't want to place either of the Sannin as superior, so the one fight they had, he gave them all a weakness/fear to make the results unclear. He starts getting finicky with this.

Regardless of how he does not make up his mind, since this is his story, we are to take the newest evidence as the most reliable source. Hiruzen was stated to be the strongest during his part of the story, later Minato was placed as the strongest when he came into the picture. Hashirama is most certainly the strongest now by how much the story says so. Look at it this way: People thought Minato was the strongest Hokage because he is the only one people of this generation saw in battle. Hashirama has been gone for so long that the stories of his might are seen as incredible to the point where they dub it a fairy tale. We already have him placed at a god status similar to the sage of six paths, and Madara confirmed he was strong enough to re-write entire MAPS. No way Minato or Hiruzen can compare to that so just accept what Kishi says.

awesome quote ! +rep

 

[hiitz]

Hashirama>Hiruzen.

 

[rikkudou sennin22]

Hashirama>Hiruzen.

hell yeah !

 

[TrollingSage]

Some people just believe what they want to believe. Even tho most of the signs point to hiruzen being stronger.
Let's look at Facts for the 3rd
1) Hiruzen sarutobi was said to be strongest hokage ever
2) Hiruzen defeated the 1st already
3) Kishi wrote in HIS databook that hiruzen was the strongest hokage n was called the god of shinobi.
Facts for hashirama
1) Hashirama was considered the strongest ninja of his time.
2) The thing that made hashirama so special was his kekkei genkai.
3) Madara said only hashirama could defeat him n kabuto said none of the current shinobi could compete with hashirama.
So with that's said, hashirama didn't even live to see the first ninja war when hiruzen was made kage at age 15. Hashirama has only been shown once n he lost that fight. Next madara n kabuto statement doesn't apply to hiruzen since madara obviously never fought him n hiruzen was already dead for 3 years b4 shippuden. Now kishi has all the signs pointing to hiruzen being stronger but i know some people are still gonna make up somethin in their head that they think would happen. Just like orochimaru thought he had a sure win with the help of both of hiruzen teachers. People seem to forget that hiruzen was his student n he knows everything hashirama has.
So the next idiot that wanna say hashirama would win GTFO of here with that nonsense cuz the fact of the matter is
Hiruzen vs hashirama already happen. Hiruzen won.....

First of all Hiruzen vs Hashirama. Never happened. It was Oro vs Hiruzen foo. Unlike Kabuto who can let the edo tensei have some free will, Oro's version completely bound them to his will. He controlled every movement of theirs.
Also I like how you conveniently choose to ignore one thing. Oro was just toying with the old man. It would have been a much shorter fight had he been serious.
Oh and that data book statement. The databook just repeats what characters say. Only character has said Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage. Iruka. Nuff said.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Here he is stating how he needs orochimaru chakara to strengthen the Bind power not the power of the people....... scein the people are revived with the power they had b4 they died so please dont put that hishi and tob weren't at full strength.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Kabuto here is stating that orochimaru had already perfected the edo

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Elder chiyo here says it's been further developed since tobirama and is impressed by how strong the user must be in order to control that many souls once again i haven't seen where it says the power of the people has also gone up

Yes Oro perfected Edo tensei and the Edos were at full power. But you're forgetting something. Unlike Kabuto's version, Oro had to control every movement of the edos. So it was basically Oro with Hashi's powers not Hashi himself. And there's one more thing you guys conveniently ignore. Oro was toying with Hiruzen. The fight would have ended very quickly had Oro been serious.

so tell me how does a guy who's has not seen the 3rd and has been dead for god knows how long ... know how stronge the third is?????? nice try :ice:

and once again i think the 1st might stand the best chance against madara but only because he would be able to control a tailed beast and madara said a tailed beast is the only thing with the same amount of power as his PS kinda like guy is built to beat kisame

Seeing as Madara knows Nagato is safe to assume he lived through Hiruzen's so called prime.

 

[rikkudou sennin22]

First of all Hiruzen vs Hashirama. Never happened. It was Oro vs Hiruzen foo. Unlike Kabuto who can let the edo tensei have some free will, Oro's version completely bound them to his will. He controlled every movement of theirs.
Also I like how you conveniently choose to ignore one thing. Oro was just toying with the old man. It would have been a much shorter fight had he been serious.
Oh and that data book statement. The databook just repeats what characters say. Only character has said Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage. Iruka. Nuff said.

Yes Oro perfected Edo tensei and the Edos were at full power. But you're forgetting something. Unlike Kabuto's version, Oro had to control every movement of the edos. So it was basically Oro with Hashi's powers not Hashi himself. And there's one more thing you guys conveniently ignore. Oro was toying with Hiruzen. The fight would have ended very quickly had Oro been serious.

Seeing as Madara knows Nagato is safe to assume he lived through Hiruzen's so called prime.

Absolutely correct ! good quote ! +rep

 

[sharingan17]

Fail, hashi>hiruzen