Can someone explain how hashirama is supposed to be the strongest.

[zombiejesus]

lol no i can not he can grow trees who cares and the thing i dont get is he has a kg you know the tree thing but he is the only one who cann do it well was bron with it so how is it a kg no one else was born with it yea some people like yamamto and danzo edo madara can use it only because of hashi cells not born with it i find hashirama overrated and boring my self

 

[6pathofpain]

You think madara has more credibility than a leaf village teacher?

You dont? iruka's a weakling. He doesnt know shit about power, madara does. And as far as history goes? what does the 3rd have in him to make anyone think he could beat either of them?

 

[sage22]

Well how about the fact that he has already beat hashirama. I know u gonna say he's was being control or whatever blah blah blah but at the end of the day hiruzen won. Next they have not shown anything or said anything that should make anyone think hashirama can beat hiruzen.
Iruka probably knows about madara n hashirama fight so I believe iruka has more credibility.

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[markdabomb22]

Hiruzen>Hashi

 

[veejay]

So you are saying Hiruzen can defeat Madara haha yea right

 

[Enchanted Champion]

Sorry but Hiruzen is the best Hokage so far.

Manga facts> everyones personal opinion

 

[veejay]

How is Hiruzen the best ? What has he done

 

[lol99]

Well how about the fact that he has already beat hashirama. I know u gonna say he's was being control or whatever blah blah blah but at the end of the day hiruzen won. Next they have not shown anything or said anything that should make anyone think hashirama can beat hiruzen.
Iruka probably knows about madara n hashirama fight so I believe iruka has more credibility.

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knowing about that fight doesn't mean shit

the whole ninja world knows about it

but not even the top class ninjas knew about madaras perfect susanoo,

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that means no one is really aware of madara or hashiramas full strength and hence their opinions about which hokage is strongest loose credibility

 

[Fonkyomom]

can Hiruzen beat Madara? Don't think so, can he do wood style? Don't think so. Is he a senju with a legendary body and chakra? Don't think so, must I go on?

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Regeneration, Flower World, Mokuton, beating EMS Madara, and Wood Clones! Wood Clones everywhere!!
Oh, and Tailed Beast control some how.

This only means Hiruzen must be super powerful, if he still was the strongest Hokage

 

[The Necromancer]

Ok so ur saying hashirama can beat madara. But the guy who can beat hashirama can't beat madara.

The same people who say hashirama was fighting at full power and mind in the edo fight also say that nagato was not. You're just mad that your character isn't as good as you thought they were. One quote does not make up for the lack of hype, or techniques that hashirama outclasses hiruzen in.

 

[transroboball]

Hiruzen>hashirama. He was called the strongest hokage and before someone come with the usual BS *Madara said that only hashirama can stop him* Madara probably doesn't even know about hiruzen's existence or how strong he was in his prime and hiruzen already owned both Tobirama and Hashirama in part 1. Hiruzen>hashirama, deal with it

You sir, are RIGHT.

 

[icedonkey]

Well in my opinion it's just a plot hole(like that's never happend in Naruto before)

Madara said the only one who can stop him is Hashirama, we can guess that since Madara at the very LEAST was alive right when Nagato was born.
Meaning he's seen Hiruzen in his prime.

The reason Im like 99% its a plot hole is because was Hashirama ever really hyped that much in part 1, or even most of shippuden?
No...he wasn't.
now all the sudden Madara appears and Hashirama's power is that of a fairy tale.
Hashirama, makes a little forest in part 1.
Now all the sudden if him and Madara fought maps would have to be changed because of the scale destruction.
I mean come on! it's obviously a plot hole.

and if you still refuse to believe it's a plot hole think of it like this orochimaru had control over him. Maybe Hashirama was a "machine" Oro just didn't know howw to use

 

[rikkudou sennin22]

Dudes honestly p!ss off , do you really think Hiruzen was as strong as hashirama who fought Madara ???? p!ss off again i say Hash will nail Hiruzen who couldnt even defeat Orochimaru. Danzou and Hiruzen were comparable, Sasuke took Danzou out before he even got the EMS , Do you think they had what it takes to stand up to the best Mokuton User ever ??? Dream on

 

[spatha]

Ok a lot of people on this website seem to think hashirama is the strongest ninja ever. But in the beginning of the naruto series it says hiruzen sarutobi was the strongest kage the leaf village ever had. Then kishi made it so hiruzen fights not only hashirama but his brother n orochimaru also. From what I seen in that fight he didn't even look stronger than n old hiruzen. Now I know a lot of you will say that wasn't hashirama at his best cuz he was being control by orochimaru but it has been stated already that orochimaru edo was perfected. Finally in the naruto databook( which is also written by kishimoto) says hiruzen was the strongest hokage n hashirama was the strongest of his era. Now with that being said can a hashirama fanboy please explain why kishi would say hiruzen was the strongest n have him beat his former teachers if one of them was suppose to be stronger?

the battle in the first series is all but inadmissable in an argument here. First series power was far lower overall from second series power. None of hashi's strengths were showcased, he was merely a looming figurehead to pit against hiruzen for the suspense factor, nothing more. Secondly, one on one i think hiruzen prime could hold his own, but once again hashi's attacks werent showcased, in a true battle, he couldnt be killed by any conventional means, only sealed due to his insane healing capabilities, and in a true battle of hashis prime during life, he would have had i believe 3 or 4 tailed beasts fully under his control, meaning hiruzen would stand little chance

 

[rikkudou sennin22]

the battle in the first series is all but inadmissable in an argument here. First series power was far lower overall from second series power. None of hashi's strengths were showcased, he was merely a looming figurehead to pit against hiruzen for the suspense factor, nothing more. Secondly, one on one i think hiruzen prime could hold his own, but once again hashi's attacks werent showcased, in a true battle, he couldnt be killed by any conventional means, only sealed due to his insane healing capabilities, and in a true battle of hashis prime during life, he would have had i believe 3 or 4 tailed beasts fully under his control, meaning hiruzen would stand little chance

Good quote ! Agreed +rep

 

[tracytracy22]

Hiruzen vs Hashirama.

Bother were obvioulsy extremely powerful shinobi. But whoever is stronger, I think will remain a mystery. Hiruzen was said to be the most powerful hokage and post powerfulkage of his time. His nick name was 'god of shinobi' - same as SOSP. However, Hashirama's strenght was said to be like a fairy tail and Madara claims heis the only one capable of stopping him. Their hype or whatever is pretty even IMHO.

About the whole Hashirama vs Madara thing. We dont know why Hashirama is the only one capabale of stopping him. He might not actually be stronger than Madara and might just happen to be a bad match-up, or have a certain technique that happens to be effective against Madara (perhaps his mokuton?). But he probably is stronger then Madara.

As for Hiruzen vs Hashirama, I'd say Hiruzen wins. I dont know if this is true or not and I've seen many people say it, but apparently he has a counter for all konoha techniques. He was a student of Hashirama and would probably have a good idea of what techniques he can use, and therefore counter them...

As for now, Im just gonna say their equal :shrug:

 

[Raypril]

asking this question is like asking if God really does exist.. no one flipping knows the answers except kishi... just read and enjoy the manga

 

[repulse]

Wow that was just stupid

What makes you say that, oh great Mr. Sage?

 

[sage22]

Some people just believe what they want to believe. Even tho most of the signs point to hiruzen being stronger.
Let's look at Facts for the 3rd
1) Hiruzen sarutobi was said to be strongest hokage ever
2) Hiruzen defeated the 1st already
3) Kishi wrote in HIS databook that hiruzen was the strongest hokage n was called the god of shinobi.
Facts for hashirama
1) Hashirama was considered the strongest ninja of his time.
2) The thing that made hashirama so special was his kekkei genkai.
3) Madara said only hashirama could defeat him n kabuto said none of the current shinobi could compete with hashirama.
So with that's said, hashirama didn't even live to see the first ninja war when hiruzen was made kage at age 15. Hashirama has only been shown once n he lost that fight. Next madara n kabuto statement doesn't apply to hiruzen since madara obviously never fought him n hiruzen was already dead for 3 years b4 shippuden. Now kishi has all the signs pointing to hiruzen being stronger but i know some people are still gonna make up somethin in their head that they think would happen. Just like orochimaru thought he had a sure win with the help of both of hiruzen teachers. People seem to forget that hiruzen was his student n he knows everything hashirama has.
So the next idiot that wanna say hashirama would win GTFO of here with that nonsense cuz the fact of the matter is
Hiruzen vs hashirama already happen. Hiruzen won.....