Just How Powerful is Hashirama?
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that actually makes sense, all of it, especially considering the fact that an edo is more effective than the real person, lets face it according to the part 1, hiruzen would have killed both hashi and tobirama if they were not edo's and its been confirmed already that madara fought hashi for the sole purpose of getting his dna
Gooner4life
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That was just an assumption and you are right, probably a wrong one, got carried away there xd, but he would have an above average level of strength, that is what would come with high vitality wouldn't it?
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ShishaMastah420
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Don't belittle Hashirama...Without even using his hype you should still be able to acknowledge his power...
The Leader of the Senju Clan?
Possessed several Tailed-Beast?
Healing techniques on a level even higher than Tsunade's?
Wood Release?
Uchiha Madara himself even confirmed Hashirama's power...
Hmm...
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Above average yes, But i doubt on tsunades level.
Each person is different, He may have been the most powerful senju but that doesn't mean he surpasses all senju is all area's.
Some are better at Nin than other, some better than Tai or Gen, Some are born with more physical than others.
Him being the leaders proves nothing of his physical strength, just because he is the leader doesn't mean he surpasses every senju in the area of the ninja arts.
Possesing tailed beasts is a Feat by his Ninjutsu (Mokuton).
His healing isn't on a higher level, Madara tsunades tech is the same as hashirama's. Also Madara has been dead a long time, he can possibly know the full extent of tsunades medical ninjutsu, Hence why he didn't know about her Regeneration Jutsu untill she used it.
Madara Compared tsunades medical ninjutsu to hashirama's, So why has he yet to compare her strength to his after she cracked susanoo?.
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@Exaar, Madara said that Tsunades medical skills were nowhere near Tsunades level since he demonstrated her skills by healing her comrades (the other Kages). Only after he activated her seal, Madara compared her recovery power to Hashirama. But since Tsunades seal was new for Madara, Hashirama used his recovery most likely even without it.
Hashirama is one of the strongest Shinobi who ever lived indeed. One of the strongest means that there are a few who are stronger, such as the Rikudo Sennin of course, Edo Madara, Kabuto with his Edo Tensei and Tobi.
Nagato and Naruto are debatable though, but I don't believe that they are stronger now.
Hashirama is one of the strongest Shinobi who ever lived indeed. One of the strongest means that there are a few who are stronger, such as the Rikudo Sennin of course, Edo Madara, Kabuto with his Edo Tensei and Tobi.
Nagato and Naruto are debatable though, but I don't believe that they are stronger now.
This is my point, Madara is comparing The Kages to hashirama when he knows nothing about the current kages.
He is throwing Bs words/statments around about his beloved hashirama.
He is the hashirama fanboy of the narutoverse.
There is only one out of the 5kages that madara knows well enough, Thats onoki.
It's like me saying this, Muu stated that onoki is the only ninja who can stop him.
Does this make it True?, since Muu also knows nothing of current shinobi? (just like Madara).
Muu's statment:
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I also say Nagato and Bm naruto are stronger.
People put hashirama 2nd on their Top10 lists and i find it laughable.
Even Above current Tobi, Kabuto with DSM and Edo tensei.[/QUOTE]
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Yes I agree. There are Shinobis who are obviously stronger than Hashirama, at least without having more info about him. And Ninjas like Nagato and Naruto are still debatable imo where I'm not saying that he would beat them with safety.
ShishaMastah420
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[1]Do you understand what leader means?
Specially in a clan?[2]Lmaooo.. So Ninjutsu are capable of feats now?Is Wood Release not Hashirama's Technique?
[3]It is stated both by Kabuto and Madara that Hashirama's skills and techniques were on a far Higher level than the current Kages, what makes you think the technique Tsunade uses to herself would be any different?
[4]There could be many reasons as to why Madara didn't compare her strength to Hashirama's... Maybe he is finished comparing the Fodder 5 Kages to Hashirama...Still this is not relevant... I provided relevant sources for the answer to your claim of Hashirama's strength...
The punch Tsunade used to crack Madara's Susanoo is a Jutsu;
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@Le Bolded; Is he currently not fighting the Five Kages? Lmaooo..
How better to test someones skills than to fight them...If any of the Kages were on Hashirama's level.. they would be getting treated like Fodder...
Muu's statement is said because Ooniki has the most knowledge of him...
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TouchMyMangos
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1. Being a leader isn't all about power, Kakashi was chosen as the 6th hokage not just for his strength as a ninja but because he is a well known and well respected Ninja also for his leadership skills.[1]Do you understand what leader means?
[2]Lmaooo.. So Ninjutsu are capable of feats now?Is Wood Release not Hashirama's Technique?
[3]It is stated both by Kabuto and Madara that Hashirama's skills and techniques were on a far Higher level than the current Kages, what makes you think the technique Tsunade uses to herself would be any different?
[4]There could be many reasons as to why Madara didn't compare her strength to Hashirama's... Maybe he is finished comparing the Fodder 5 Kages to Hashirama...Still this is not relevant... I provided relevant sources for the answer to your claim of Hashirama's strength...
The punch Tsunade used to crack Madara's Susanoo is a Jutsu;
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Same goes for every clan leader, It's not all about Power, Take fugaku for example.
Because he has the title of "Leader of the uchiha clan", Does this mean he is Stronger than 13 Year old Itachi who defeated Oro with ease?.
2. Yes it's a Feat for Hashirama, but that doesn't prove his over all strength, that just Proved that his Mokuton (Classed as Ninjutsu) is very powerful.
Thus he is very Skilled at Ninjutsu. Thats why i was trying to say.
3. Well since Hashirama's greatest and only Medical Ninjutsu Feat/Hype is being able to heal himself without the need for hand signs.
Since tsunade matched this Feat this put her on his Level, Tsunade also has other Healing Feats in the Pain arc (being able to heal quite a large number of people at the same time).
Even somehow being able to heal Oro's arms after the deathreaper took them away.
Tsunades matched Hashirama's Healing Feats/Hype yet he is still a higher level.....? Yep ok.
My point is, When madara stated that Hashirama's healing > Tsunades, he was making an assumption, nothing more, nothing less.
Since tsuande hasn't shown the full extent of her medical Ninjutsu at that point.
So could if no be True that madara said "only hashirama an beat me" (or what ever he said) Only because hashirama has the most knowledge on Madara?.
Muu and Madara's statments are exactly the same, None know of current shinobi so it's Bs to say that only Onoki/Hashirama can defeat them.
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ShishaMastah420
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Dude Hashirama was the Leader of the Senju Clan...He isn't some random leader...
You have to have some type of power to be a leader...You really think the Senju clan would allow some random noob to be their Leader?Specially in a time where war was rampant...?
Lmaoo... Do you not have to be powerful yourself to use a powerful technique?
She didn't match his feats, Madara simply said she is using the same technique.. Lmaooo
Why such hate against Hashirama?
I simply do not understand; Everything you post is one-sided speculation...
ShishaMastah420
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Yes i know the leader has to have some kind of Power, I never said they didn't.Dude Hashirama was the Leader of the Senju Clan...He isn't some random leader...
You have to have some type of power to be a leader...You really think the Senju clan would allow some random noob to be their Leader?Specially in a time where war was rampant...?
Lmaoo... Do you not have to be powerful yourself to use a powerful technique?
She didn't match his feats, Madara simply said she is using the same technique.. Lmaooo
Why such hate against Hashirama?
I'm just saying being the leader isn't all about Power, Yes it's required but thats not all thats required.
Lets just say that if there was someone who was Stronger than hashirama yet had no Leadership skills and Far less respect that hashirama, Who do you think would be chosen as leader?.
To some extent yes, but Naruto Learned a B-rank tech befor he was a Genin.
Sasuke and naruto learnt a A Ranked Jutsu as Genin
A & B ranked Jutsu's are far above Genin levels, Yet they learn't them.
Yet A & B ranked Jutsu's are for Jonin levels and Above does this make naruto & sasuke part 1 compareable to Jonin's?
Naruto (befor sage mode) was what?, Chunin/Jonin level at best, Yet he learn't an S-Ranked Tech.
She did match his Feat, As i said his best feat is healing without the need for handseals, Tsunade can also do this.
Sounds pretty even to me?.
I do not hate hashirama, I know he is very Powerful, I just hate when people overrate the hell out of him.
People even put im on the Sages level, It's insane.
Same goes for Tobirama, people think just because he is Hashirama's brother that he is extremely powerful and worth of a spot in the top10 even though he has alsmot No Hype or feats.
Yes i accept he was the strongest senju.
I'm just Saying, just because he is the leader of the senju, Doesn't mean he > All senju in Nin/tai/gen.
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ShishaMastah420
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Naruto is powerful so he is able to learn powerful Techniques..
She used the same technique as he did, but as you can see by reading the Manga, Hashirama is capable of using the Technique on an even greater scale..
Nobody is overrating HIM, I AM STATING FACTS...
I didn't mention any hype nor did i overrate him or compare him to anyone else, unlike you...
Lmaooo...Why would the strongest person in any clan or village not be the Leader?What kind of sense are you making?
There is a difference between overrating someone and giving him the credit that one has earned...
There is also a difference between facts and hype...
If i wanted to Overrate Hashirama i would probably say something like Hashirama is >SO6P, but I didn't...
How can you argue from the stand point that you do not like overrating characters yet you underrate them so easily?
Naruto and Sasuke were at best Chunin level's, they wern't all that powerful yet they learned A ranked tech that are Jonin level techs.
What?, he was able to use his selfhealing Tech on a different scale, How does that work out?.
Would you care to show me where Madara said he could use it on a greater scale?, i thought madara was only talking about the scale of Mokuton.
Because being the leader also requires leadship skills/Well known and well respected.
Take after the pain arc, Naruto saved the village and defeated pain and was the strongest person in the village at the time.
Yet kakashi was chosen above him.
Alot of People overrate him on this forum, as i said they claim he is on the Sages level, Unless you believe this Also?.
He has earned being called the strongest Senju and being one of the strongest shinobi, But he has not earned the right to be called the most powerful or to be put on the same level as the sage.
I don't see how i'm underrating him by comparing his medical skills to the current best medic ninja in the world.
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ShishaMastah420
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You say A then i present B then you say A again... This exactly what is going on...
To put an end to this;
Hashirama is one of Narutoverse's most powerful Shinobi...
He is the Most powerful Senju...and He is the most powerful Hokage....
That is All.
GoodDay Sir.