The Yata Mirror is not invincible.

[TobisPawn]

and comparing a mere sword to a mythological spiritual shield is logical lol please go

It was said in the manga, so it has to be true. Right?

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

You are clearly speaking of the Yata Mirror in a higher regard for no logical reason, probably because you are a fan of Itachi. You speak like the Yata Mirror has some outrageous feats which can even come close to matching its hype, which is totally false. I don't particularly know how obvious Kishi must make his use of hyperbole in order for people not to take statements as absolute. Or perhaps you are also a follower of the 'unparalled' Minato? Either way, i'm taking it that you are trying to remain unreasonably loyal to Itachi or just plain trolling.

Actually, the notion that using one elemental based attack (Rasen-Shuriken) and immediately following up with a totally different elemental attack (something Katon based) in order to weaken the shield seems rather plausible. Common sense? I would take that as realising when hyperbole was used. I honestly didn't think this would present such big of a problem for some people.

American football isn't so big in England =p

I am speaking of Yata Mirror in a higher regard because it is in a higher regard. You seriously can't compare its description to others even if they use similar words. Yata Mirror hasn't been broken through. Other defenses you stated have. The "unparalled" Minato bit was talking about the quality of shinobi he was. There could have been no one like him in all of his characteristics at his time, being loyal, intelligent, powerful. He was feared greatly and entire armies were ordered to retreat upon catching sight of him. He was a beast.

Using a wind jutsu and then a fire jutsu would be useless as well. For one the counter to wind would be fire and then adding fire to it wouldn't affect anything. Even without breaking it down in this way do you really think the shield that instantly changes its nature to reflect attacks that hit it can't change quicker than a shinobi using different chakra natures? The fact is that the Yata Mirror is a spiritual object and doesn't get its defensive capabilities by just being dense. It deflects any attack by changing itself, so it can't be broken through. Read my explanation in my first post.

The databook does hype up things in Naruto, giving descriptions as they would appear in legend. You should be able to differentiate an hyperbole and truth. You obviously aren't able to do so due to some vendetta you
have against Itachi or the manga in general. You have to attack past the Yata Mirror because anything you throw at it will be deflected.

Maybe comparing a 14 year old boxer who is undefeated against others in his age group to a professional boxer that is also undefeated in professional fighting can get my point across. The professional is Yata Mirror and lives up to his hype, and the young one is other things you compare the Mirror to or against that is great in his own tier of fighters. You get it?

 

[-Broly-]

It was said in the manga, so it has to be true. Right?

show me the page they compared the yata mirror to the sword of which only had 1-2 pages of relevance

 

[TobisPawn]

show me the page they compared the yata mirror to the sword of which only had 1-2 pages of relevance

LOL the mirror had like 2 pages of relevance before Itachi died. Great point you got there pal.

 

[icedonkey]

Good logic man.
There are so many contradictions and hyperbole's in Naruto,
two items that's very existence contradict each other,
it can only be taken to mean that everything in Naruto has a limit.
Itachi even say's this himself saying "every jutsu has a weakness"

 

[partha420]

Nice thought..............rep

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Sure, and Amaterasu is as hot as the sun.

So, if I try to be stupid and not use basic deduction skills, i'll reach the correct answer? Hilarious.

Saying if i try to be stupid is stupid as people who are stupid do not need to try to be stupid as they simply are so infact you have just proven something there and that is hilarious. So you are saying you use basic deduction skills to reach the correct answer huh ok.

Amaterasu is as hot as the sun. Ok yeah i believe that yeah amaterasu is as hot as the sun. Now you tell me where it says that amaterasu is as hot as the surface of the sun or that amaterasu is as hot as the core of the sun. Does it say so i dont think so thats your assumption of what kishi is saying. Yeah i believe amaterasu is as hot as the sun but it could be as hot as the sun from a 1000 miles away or 10,000 miles away or a 100,000 miles away. Are you starting to get the point. Its open to interpretation, so instead of using basic deduction skills try to use some better ones as i see that could possibly be your problem:ice:

 

[synkross]

Many diehard Itachi followers will have you believe the Sword of Totsuka is able to suck up anyone

i'm not an itachi fan but Yes, i do believe it can suck-up to anyone's ****.

 

[Vexorian]

Nice thread either way, however, sometimes you just can't apply logic to Naruto. Lemme give you an example; Nagato vs Hashirama. Now based on an awesome thing called "hype" Hashirama shits on him, but we know that Nagato can absorb his Mokuton, obviously Kishi knows for a fact, and we should too, that Hashirama > Nagato. If we start using logic it starts to bend towards Nagato. Anyways, I'm sure you get my point by now. Don't try and twist Kishi's words either, not helping.

Based on hype Hashirama doesn't really shit on him at all. Nagato has shown us feats that rival Hashirama's hype.

 

[shivjee]

i am not sure i don't know about yata mirror at all

 

[Cringe]

Now i know what page to link when i see stupid Itachi fanbois.

 

[SuperJak777]

Agreed

 

[icedonkey]

NO if you would stop taking EVERY LITTLE THING literally then you would reach the correct answer i mean use some common sense does it LOOK like haku can move at lightspeed? no
Yata mirror has been stated to be un penetrable. Has it EVER been penetrated? no.
and with itachis death it seems that what i said about it never being broken will come true

lol wow, you literally contradicted yourself right there, your answer is the bold.
Also fallowing your logic Kabutowari was stated to break ANY and ALL defenses.
Has it never been able to do so?
no.
does that make it true.
no.
Im pretty certain hyperbole is responsible for this obvious contradiction including a thousand others that have been created before.
Listen to Itachi's words,
Itachi said all jutsu have a weakness,

and to dismiss that yata mirrors weakness was to hit from the blind side think of it like this

What was chibaku tensei's weakness?
attacking the core with a incredibly powerful attack/attacks
but is it possible, but extremely unlikely to escape it all together?(= hitting blind side)
yes. but thats not it's so called "weakness"

 

[teetooktier]

First of all, excellent use of logic, this is a great thread and so +rep. However, there just one thing I feel should be brought up:

Totsuka blade was not stated to be an 'absolute offense'. The line was describing the effects of being pierced; it does not mean that Totsuka can pierce anything. It sets up being pierced as a prerequisite to the genjutsu effect. So if it and Yata mirror were to clash, Yata would only be sealed if Totsuka actually manages to break through, which is shouldn't be able to.

 

[Troyg39]

From the sound of things, the bluntsword may actually be the perfect thing to break the yata mirror. In your scan, the yata mirror is described as a spiritual weapon "without a physical form", so I don't really see how it would be able to change it's physical properties to block a physical attack if it doesn't have any physical form to work with. I understand that it has all of the elements and can alter itself to nullify an element with an element, but since the bluntsword doesn't use chakra (to my knowledge), then how would the yata mirror defend against that? It doesn't have any density to manipulate since it doesn't have a physical form, so I think that right there tells you that it can't block ANY attack.

As far as the totsuka blade, I know people make it seem like it can pierce anything, but I actually only think it can pierce living things. If you read your scan again, it says it seals whoever it pierces, not whatever. But I definitely think the description of the yata mirror kind of explains why it can't defend against any attack. It doesn't have a physical form, so I think physical attacks can't be blocked by it. You can't have force without matter, nor can you have matter without force, so the yata mirror by it's own definition shouldn't be able to block physical attacks, since it doesn't have the matter to generate enough force to block a physical strike. Definite hyperbole

 

[Dribbles]

It can change its form to match any attack.. but it can't deflect attacks from the side or back, it takes frontal attacks and can't be destroyed.

What makes Itachi's defenses so good though, is even if you manage to get through the yata mirror, you still have the Susano'o to go through and the totsuka blade. ​

 

[Trendy]

It's sad how this thread had to be made for people to understand......

so very true...

 

[upilloncat]

Yeah we all know kishi, but not all of we.
So why can't we sit together and enjoy the show, right?

 

[teetooktier]

From the sound of things, the bluntsword may actually be the perfect thing to break the yata mirror. In your scan, the yata mirror is described as a spiritual weapon "without a physical form", so I don't really see how it would be able to change it's physical properties to block a physical attack if it doesn't have any physical form to work with. I understand that it has all of the elements and can alter itself to nullify an element with an element, but since the bluntsword doesn't use chakra (to my knowledge), then how would the yata mirror defend against that? It doesn't have any density to manipulate since it doesn't have a physical form, so I think that right there tells you that it can't block ANY attack.

As far as the totsuka blade, I know people make it seem like it can pierce anything, but I actually only think it can pierce living things. If you read your scan again, it says it seals whoever it pierces, not whatever. But I definitely think the description of the yata mirror kind of explains why it can't defend against any attack. It doesn't have a physical form, so I think physical attacks can't be blocked by it. You can't have force without matter, nor can you have matter without force, so the yata mirror by it's own definition shouldn't be able to block physical attacks, since it doesn't have the matter to generate enough force to block a physical strike. Definite hyperbole

Yata Mirror stopped Sasuke's sword.

 

[NotAnyones FanBoy]

The 3rd Raikage's one-finger attack is said to break through any defense... HOW THE HECK SHOULD WE TAKE IT????