Jiraiya one shotted two different Akatsuki members - stop underrating

[Unbiased]

mines was weak when it coming from the manga ? i dont think so buddy :ice:

that tobi can is different we know now he was lieing, but what does zetsu gain from lieing about amaterasu? let me think NOTHING zetsu obviously had knowledge on it so why whould we ignore what he said

to escape amaterasu you have to get out of the sharigans sight

According to what we have seen in the manga no. Sasuke escaped it by just running in a circle. We all know itachi was focused on him. Actions speak louder then words.

 

[Prince Charles]

According to what we have seen in the manga no. Sasuke escaped it by just running in a circle. We all know itachi was focused on him. Actions speak louder then words.

omfg thats because itachi was making it follow after sasuke, amaterasu wasnt appearing on sasuke it was following him theirs a difference thats why sasuke was able to out run it for a while

now stop replying to me so i can counter siyo post

 

[OnPoint]

To be honest with you, it's actually f*cking obvious that the two of them are very much in the same league, considering the hype Kishi gave Jiraiya (from Itachi's very own mouth) and the scores they both received in the databooks. But the bloody fanboys will continue to overrate Itachi to the degree where they place him with the likes of Hashirama, Nagato, Madara, Naruto and others. It's actually quite pathetic.

 

[partha420]

Really,people underrate Jiraiya too much...This is Just sad...

 

[JaccuziSplot777]

Jman can beat itachi..he sealed his amautsu he can't get caught in itachi genjustu bcuz of ma and pa can get him out of it..he's real fast when he turn into sage mode...so yea jman can give itachi a challenge it's just that itachi sassanoo idk I just would have to see the fight...

 

[Unbiased]

omfg thats because itachi was making it follow after sasuke, amaterasu wasnt appearing on sasuke it was following him theirs a difference thats why sasuke was able to out run it for a while

now stop replying to me so i can counter siyo post

Thats incorrect, zetsu said it lands on the target instantly. So sasuke was able to outrun it. Also itachi has never shown blaze release (which is amaterasu manipulation) so he can't make it follow. Yeah now that we have gotten the whole, amaterasu is too fast for jiraiya out of the way, there is nothing in itachi's arsenal besides susanoo that poses a chance. Even if he goes into susanoo, all jiraiya has to do is outlast him.

 

[kral]

Thats incorrect, zetsu said it lands on the target instantly. So sasuke was able to outrun it. Also itachi has never shown blaze release (which is amaterasu manipulation) so he can't make it follow. Yeah now that we have gotten the whole, amaterasu is too fast for jiraiya out of the way, there is nothing in itachi's arsenal besides susanoo that poses a chance. Even if he goes into susanoo, all jiraiya has to do is outlast him.

I do believe if ppl used the search bar there is a a great thread on it explaining how it works. Also + Rep for outlasting Cuz that, terrain, and knowledge has a lot to do to with who wins this fight!

N to prove power doesn't always win look at shikamaru v sound ninja or him v tamari

 

[Prince Charles]

I will just post my thoughts from one of my previous threads:

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are answered nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

1. the databook scores are irrevelant orochimaru has a 5 in genjutsu yet a teenage itachi managed to get him in a genjutsu, databook arent always a valid source to rely on.

2.itachi also saids even with back up it would be the same outcome, so you agree that itachi+kisame+other akatsuki members can only then take on jman?

3.itachi was on a mission to protect kohana why would he want to kill one of the legendary sannin and cause more trouble? he mainly went their to show danzo he was still alive and that he shouldnt lay a finger sasuke

4. you seriously think if they were really after naruto they couldnt have taken him?

5.last i checked kakashi is still alive, itachi chose not to kill him, what itachi did to kakashi was just a way of him showing that this is the REAL UCIHA POWER

6.Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

1. he doesnt have poor chakra

2.your acting like jman is the only genious here, itachi can also breakdown jman's weaknesses and form a plan? are you not?

3. avoiding eye contact wont matter itachi can use his finger genjutsu

4.same goes for jiraiya the amout of times itachi's escaped a situation due to his quick reaction time and shadow crow techs

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.


it seems you are biased towards jman, you barely went over itachi's great planning and fighting style and his achievements

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tobi even saids if he didnt keep secretes away from him eh would be dead right now that shows how smart itachi is and how dangerous he is.

i shouldnt even have to go over itachi's character because its obvious.

 

[Killahkels]

Itachi in my opinion is equal to the sannin at their full power even tsunade. but they are shinobi tactics win battles

 

[Unbiased]

1. the databook scores are irrevelant orochimaru has a 5 in genjutsu yet a teenage itachi managed to get him in a genjutsu, databook arent always a valid source to rely on.

2.itachi also saids even with back up it would be the same outcome, so you agree that itachi+kisame+other akatsuki members can only then take on jman?

3.itachi was on a mission to protect kohana why would he want to kill one of the legendary sannin and cause more trouble? he mainly went their to show danzo he was still alive and that he shouldnt lay a finger sasuke

4. you seriously think if they were really after naruto they couldnt have taken him?

5.last i checked kakashi is still alive, itachi chose not to kill him, what itachi did to kakashi was just a way of him showing that this is the REAL UCIHA POWER

6.Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

1. he doesnt have poor chakra

2.your acting like jman is the only genious here, itachi can also breakdown jman's weaknesses and form a plan? are you not?

3. avoiding eye contact wont matter itachi can use his finger genjutsu

4.same goes for jiraiya the amout of times itachi's escaped a situation due to his quick reaction time and shadow crow techs

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.


it seems you are biased towards jman, you barely went over itachi's great planning and fighting style and his achievements

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tobi even saids if he didnt keep secretes away from him eh would be dead right now that shows how smart itachi is and how dangerous he is.

i shouldnt even have to go over itachi's character because its obvious.

Once again you fail to interpret text. He said the outcome would probably be the same. Its pitiful you've resorted to lying in order to debate. Genjutsu is pointless against jiraiya when he is capable of breaking it even by himself.

 

[Prince Charles]

Thats incorrect, zetsu said it lands on the target instantly. So sasuke was able to outrun it. Also itachi has never shown blaze release (which is amaterasu manipulation) so he can't make it follow. Yeah now that we have gotten the whole, amaterasu is too fast for jiraiya out of the way, there is nothing in itachi's arsenal besides susanoo that poses a chance. Even if he goes into susanoo, all jiraiya has to do is outlast him.

what dont you understand by the words instant and follow

yes sasuke was out running out thats because itachi wasnt trying to kill him and itachi was making amaertasu FOLLOW HIM NOT APPEAR ON HIm.

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what is amaterasu doing? oh yea following sasuke to push him to his limits.
itachi didnt want it to appear INSTANTLY on sasuke even tho he could have

 

[Yo pappy]

Jiraiya is underrated, and is an awesome shinobi with a very diverse arsenal, but he's not beating Itachi. It doesn't matter what's been said, and what hasn't been said. Jiraiya is not dodging Amaterasu. Period.

 

[Prince Charles]

Once again you fail to interpret text. He said the outcome would probably be the same. Its pitiful you've resorted to lying in order to debate.

what are you talking about?

 

[Prince Charles]

Jiraiya is underrated, and is an awesome shinobi with a very diverse arsenal, but he's not beating Itachi. It doesn't matter what's been said, and what hasn't been said. Jiraiya is not dodging Amaterasu. Period.

exactly im not denying jman isnt awesome or powerful he had a great arsonal and versatility but when it comes to itachi.. just no..

if orochimaru even looked at itachi directly and got in his genjutsu whats stopping jman from making the same mistake?

 

[kral]

1. the databook scores are irrevelant orochimaru has a 5 in genjutsu yet a teenage itachi managed to get him in a genjutsu, databook arent always a valid source to rely on.

2.itachi also saids even with back up it would be the same outcome, so you agree that itachi+kisame+other akatsuki members can only then take on jman?

3.itachi was on a mission to protect kohana why would he want to kill one of the legendary sannin and cause more trouble? he mainly went their to show danzo he was still alive and that he shouldnt lay a finger sasuke

4. you seriously think if they were really after naruto they couldnt have taken him?

5.last i checked kakashi is still alive, itachi chose not to kill him, what itachi did to kakashi was just a way of him showing that this is the REAL UCIHA POWER

6.Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but not least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

1. he doesnt have poor chakra

2.your acting like jman is the only genious here, itachi can also breakdown jman's weaknesses and form a plan? are you not?

3. avoiding eye contact wont matter itachi can use his finger genjutsu

4.same goes for jiraiya the amout of times itachi's escaped a situation due to his quick reaction time and shadow crow techs

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one of the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be caught with his pants down… unless in a bath house.


it seems you are biased towards jman, you barely went over itachi's great planning and fighting style and his achievements

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tobi even saids if he didnt keep secretes away from him eh would be dead right now that shows how smart itachi is and how dangerous he is.

i shouldnt even have to go over itachi's character because its obvious.

So ur opinion> databook which kishi wrote??????????
Fail

 

[Taiga Uchiha]

Zetsu's words: "Itachi, he's invincible."

What's your point, kid?

Susanoo-Tooken out by four toads

Amateratsu -Knocked away by ma and pa's screech

Tsyukomi-I really don't know how he will get past that.But i think genjutsu is simply a wave of chakra and Jiraya knows better to looking at a Uchiha in the eyes.

 

[Uchihaninja]

Jiraiya one shotted both Konan and Kisame. You know, the same Konan who was able to give Tobi trouble. And remember, Kisame was a Jinchuriki hunter. He also defeated three Paths of Pein without getting any injuries or coming close to running low on chakra.

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We were even told the guy could defeat Pein and Itachi. It was said that people like Kisame were not even capable of making a difference against him, while Konan was sent home after Pein cleaned the oil off of her restoring her.

And some think Itachi is a level above him. Funny

I'm not saying Jiraiya is better than Itachi or vice versa, just that they are on the same level.

Your right but i think both Jiraiya and Itachi respect each others powers. Itachi even said

they should run when Itachi tried to get Naruto back when he was a kid. So i really wish

people would stop underestimating him even if he is dead...

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

I agree with this...but also i dont know who is better...itachi v jiriaya...

 

[Prince Charles]

So ur opinion> databook which kishi wrote??????????
Fail

omg im saying plp shouldnt always bring up the databook in these cases, im not disagreeing with them god seriously bro think before you fken post :sy:

 

[Prince Charles]

Susanoo-Tooken out by four toads

Amateratsu -Knocked away by ma and pa's screech

Tsyukomi-I really don't know how he will get past that.But i think genjutsu is simply a wave of chakra and Jiraya knows better to looking at a Uchiha in the eyes.

yata mirror>toads

amaterasu is too instant for ma and pa

tysukuyomi - one shots jman and where will jman luk then? close his the whole fight?