Feats Comparison: Itachi vs Minato

[OnPoint]

The so called overwhelming evidence you're claiming is flawed because Itachi was in complete liar mode. Using that is not concrete evidence to what Itachi really knows.

Do you really think 13 year old Itachi and 21 year old Itachi is on the same plane of life lessons and intelligence? Common sense. I know you're a smart dude. Are you smarter now or were you smarter 8 years ago.

You also need to acknowledge the fact Minato had the benefit of people helping his plan unwillingly while Itachi had it the other way.

DAT evidence will remain valid until it is compromised by a seperate piece of information. The mere statement 'Itachi was in complete liar mode' is not enough to contradict what we already know about Itachi's mindset. One could argue, if Itachi was truely aware of Tobi lying about being Madara, he would've at least notified one of Bee, Naruto or Sasuke (once he was revived via Kabuto's Edo Tensei). As we know, he did not.

Of course I know Itachi grew smarter as his age increased. But it is totally irrelevant. But what are you going to say to me? 21 year old Itachi is more intelligent than Minato? That is assumption based on weak and threadbare information. The comparison must take place when Itachi formulated his plan; in his youth. Thus, age is a non factor.

I don't quite grasp your final line. I recall that;

- Minato had to save his family
- He had to save his village
- He fought an enemy he initially had no knowledge on
- He deduced said enemy's weakness in moments
- He made an accurate estimation on who that enemy could be, then quickly threw out that idea
- He both wounded Tobi and removed the Kyuubi from his control in one move
- He had to determine whether Naruto truely was the child of the prophecy
- Minato had to weigh up Konoha's military position with regards to the Kyuubi and what to do with it

In minutes. It was pretty much all him if you ask me, save Jiraiya's tip off about the prophecy. To top it all off, it was a success.

Itachi, however, planned for weeks with Danzo by his side. Yet, thus far, formulated a plan destined to fail (which he himself has admitted).

 

[Dantee]

DAT evidence will remain valid until it is compromised by a seperate piece of information. The mere statement 'Itachi was in complete liar mode' is not enough to contradict what we already know about Itachi's mindset. One could argue, if Itachi was truely aware of Tobi lying about being Madara, he would've at least notified one of Bee, Naruto or Sasuke (once he was revived via Kabuto's Edo Tensei). As we know, he did not.

Of course I know Itachi grew smarter as his age increased. But it is totally irrelevant. But what are you going to say to me? 21 year old Itachi is more intelligent than Minato? That is assumption based on weak and threadbare information. The comparison must take place when Itachi formulated his plan; in his youth. Thus, age is a non factor.

I don't quite grasp your final line. I recall that;

- Minato had to save his family
- He had to save his village
- He fought an enemy he initially had no knowledge on
- He deduced said enemy's weakness in moments
- He made an accurate estimation on who that enemy could be, then quickly threw out that idea
- He both wounded Tobi and removed the Kyuubi from his control in one move
- He had to determine whether Naruto truely was the child of the prophecy
- Minato had to weigh up Konoha's military position with regards to the Kyuubi and what to do with it

In minutes. It was pretty much all him if you ask me, save Jiraiya's tip off about the prophecy. To top it all off, it was a success.

Itachi, however, planned for weeks with Danzo by his side. Yet, thus far, formulated a plan destined to fail (which he himself has admitted).

Firstly, I'm not saying Itachi is smarter than Minato. I'm saying that's is not a fair comparison to a 13 year old feat and a 21 year old feat. Itachi admitting that he failed is a sign of his maturity and that's what was exactly needed to make a decision like that. It was not all about intelligence that made Itachi's plan fail.

Although I doubt it because we still haven't gotten the whole truth.
It's come to my attention that it's possible that Itachi might have thought Tobi could have still been Madara. But why is that bad? Minato only said it's impossible because he's been long dead. Sasuke said the same thing and so have the hokages. Tobi was impersonating as Madara so why is that something to knock off Itachi's intelligence?

 

[Myogen]

Brawling

• Speed - Minato. I agree with OP no need to explain
• Reflexes - Draw. Minato has greatly hyped reflexes, but Itachi has Sharingan perception and prediction enhancing his own. Both also have great feats so there is no way to distinguish them.
• Weapons - Draw. Both have shown great proficiency with thrown weapons and both have top tier hax'd weapons: Flying Thunder God kunai and Totsuka + Yata mirror + Megatama.
• Strength - Draw. Nether have any feats to distinguish one above thee other
• Durability - Minato. I don't think stamina has to do with durability, but Minato did tank Kurama's claw and kept using Jutsu so I got to give it to him.

Ninjutsu

• Offense - Minato. Amaterasu and Susano'o are very hax'd techniques, but in sheer offensive might very few Jutsu are better than Death God combined with Flying Thunder God.
• Defense - Draw. Both have hax'd defense.
• Support - Draw. Support should be outside of Ninjutsu since Itachi can use his Genjutsu for support as well to extract information from enemy shinobi and support the troupes by taking control of enemy shinobi. Which is why I say it's a draw
• Endurance - Minato. Minato's defense is less taxing to use and equally as hax.
• Efficiency - Itachi. Again should be taken out of just the ninjutsu category since Itachi is more efficient with Genjutsu since he can turn enemies against the opposing faction, rather than just cutting them down quickly.

Illusions

• Offense - Itachi. Obvious reasons.
• Defense - Itachi. Genjutsu reversal wins this for Itachi

Intelligence

• Tactics - Draw. Both are indicate to possess insane intelligence
• Insight - Draw. Both are indicate to possess insane intelligence

 

[OnPoint]

Firstly, I'm not saying Itachi is smarter than Minato. I'm saying that's is not a fair comparison to a 13 year old feat and a 21 year old feat. Itachi admitting that he failed is a sign of his maturity and that's what was exactly needed to make a decision like that. It was not all about intelligence that made Itachi's plan fail.

Although I doubt it because we still haven't gotten the whole truth.
It's come to my attention that it's possible that Itachi might have thought Tobi could have still been Madara. But why is that bad? Minato only said it's impossible because he's been long dead. Sasuke said the same thing and so have the hokages. Tobi was impersonating as Madara so why is that something to knock off Itachi's intelligence?

I've already discussed his age and what makes it a non factor.

Why is it that Kishimoto only had Minato (and not Itachi) doubt that Tobi is Madara? This being, what, minutes after their first encounter? Why have Minato be the only character to really doubt Tobi's identity? Itachi being fooled by Tobi's identity is not something to knock him for; but Minato deducing that something clearly did not fit after the briefest of meetings is something you look at when evaluating how smart this guy really was.

 

[Dantee]

I've already discussed his age and what makes it a non factor.

Why is it that Kishimoto only had Minato (and not Itachi) doubt that Tobi is Madara? This being, what, minutes after their first encounter? Why have Minato be the only character to really doubt Tobi's identity? Itachi being fooled by Tobi's identity is not something to knock him for; but Minato deducing that something clearly did not fit after the briefest of meetings is something you look at when evaluating how smart this guy really was.

You're not seeming to get why makes age a complete factor on making a decision about someones life. There is things a smart teenager doesn't know than an average adult would know.

I can't really explain it, but Itachi did not have the life experience Minato had to make a good decision about someones future.

Minato didn't completely dismiss Tobi's identity as Madara.

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He says ...on second thought. He was thinking about it.

Refers to him as Madara again.

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It was a normal reaction for everyone to dismiss Madara's identity at first. Sasuke and hokages are proof.

This is my last post for tonight if you disagree that's cool. We'll just have to agree to disagree fun chatting.

 

[OnPoint]

You're not seeming to get what makes age a complete factor on making a decision about someones life. There is things a smart teenager doesn't know than an average adult would know.

I can't really explain it, but Itachi did not have the life experience Minato had to make a good decision about someones future.

Minato didn't completely dismiss Tobi's identity as Madara.

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He says ...on second thought. He was thinking about it.

Refers to him as Madara again.

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It was a normal reaction for everyone to dismiss Madara's identity at first. Sasuke and hokages are proof.

This is my last post for tonight if you disagree that's cool. We'll just have to agree to disagree fun chatting.

- He initially said he believed him to be Madara
- He immediately threw out that idea
- "On second thought it doesn't matter who you are", as in to end his thought process on who Tobi actually was. Meaning, he realised it wasn't Madara and that was that.

The second page was, again, him just analysing the situation and looking at all the possibilites, although that was just because he was thinking about how he was going to deal with the Kyuubi (and not necessarily because he was interested in finding out who Tobi really was).

I'll leave you with this. Minato retained a stance filled with scepticism; he was the one posing the questions and, ultimately, it seems he was correct in what he was saying. Itachi wasn't able to look at the whole picture, as Minato was, and was not capable of thinking outside the box when it came to Tobi's identity.

 

[Kinimaster]

- He initially said he believed him to be Madara
- He immediately threw out that idea
- "On second thought it doesn't matter who you are", as in to end his thought process on who Tobi actually was. Meaning, he realised it wasn't Madara and that was that.

The second page was, again, him just analysing the situation and looking at all the possibilites, although that was just because he was thinking about how he was going to deal with the Kyuubi (and not necessarily because he was interested in finding out who Tobi really was).

I'll leave you with this. Minato retained a stance filled with scepticism; he was the one posing the questions and, ultimately, it seems he was correct in what he was saying. Itachi wasn't able to look at the whole picture, as Minato was, and was not capable of thinking outside the box when it came to Tobi's identity.

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1.- You cant discard the possibility that Tobi is still Madara somehow, after all the powers in this manga are really weird.
2.- You also dont know if Itachi actually lied in purpose to Sasuke.
3.- Look at that page and you could realize that there is the possibility that Itachi always knew that Tobi was indeed Tobi.

 

[Anub]

Got this idea from another forum. Here's how I see it:​

Brawling

• Speed - Minato. No need to explain this really.
• Reflexes - Minato. Minato reacted to V2 A and Itachi reacted to lightning. The A feat sounds more impressive to me.
• Weapons - Itachi. Minato's allow him to essentially warp anywhere whereas Itachi's are great for offense and defense (spiritual weapons). I'd say Itachi's take the edge just to how haxxed they are overall.
• Strength - Draw. I can't say much for either but I'd assume they're even due to their similar age and overall prowess.
• Durability - Minato. Itachi's been shown to not have the best stamina out there.

Ninjutsu

• Offense - Itachi. Techniques such as Amaterasu give him the edge here.
• Defense - Draw. Minato's FTG lets him avoid almost any attack but Itachi has the Yata Mirror to block most attacks.
• Support - Minato. He can place tags on his allies and warp to them if needed.
• Endurance - Itachi. Susanoo + Yata Mirror is a powerful combination to get past.
• Efficiency - Minato. Killing 50(?) ninjas in an apparent blink of an eye speaks volumes for his overall efficiency. That, and he beat Tobi in a matter of seconds.

Illusions

• Offense - Itachi. Obvious reasons.
• Defense - Itachi. Countered Kurenai's Genjutsu quite easily. Minato has no feats in this department.

Intelligence

• Tactics - Minato. Single-handedly defeated Tobi and saved Konoha from Kurama. Most of Itachi's plans failed or didn't achieve what he originally intended (granted he was only 13).
• Insight - Draw. Minato came up with the assumption on Tobi quickly and Itachi did the same. Minato's might have been more impressive overall (by a little), but Itachi was only 13 so he gets his due credit.

Feel free to make your own based on your opinions and manga evidence. From what I got, Minato's a little better overall (doesn't mean he'd beat Itachi in a fight) or its a close draw.

Speed falls into more categories. Itachi has very fast hands -> hand seals. But perhaps Minato takes this because of his FTG.

I'm not sure how you can properly define who the best is in reflexes. Itachi has reacted to genjutsu, which happens at eye contact (vs Kurenai). You can even say that it happens instantly and yet Itachi got the upper hand. Could be that his skills are greatly superior, could also be a reaction. And why doesn't a full grown sharingan count as much as it did back in Naruto 1? Sharingan = the best eye when it comes to reaction and 1v1...I still believe that and refuse to get into the "sharingan is only about the OP jutsu now" train.

Strength-wise I would give it to Minato, especially if Itachi is ill.

Durability goes to Itachi. Minato has been shown to do a few tricks, it's true. But a sick Itachi went toe to toe with a full powered Sasuke and managed to stir the fight in whichever way he wanted. You can review the fight and count how many times he used each jutsu, especially when it was said that Tsukyiomi puts an extreme strain on the user.

Intelligence: sorry Minato fans, but because of the latest chapters, this goes to Itachi.

First of all. Minato fought Tobi and managed to beat him. That's a good feature. He also invented a copy of the TBB which again, is impressive.

Now let's see how Itachi can surpass that: he's a master genjutsu user. He is higly skilled in amaterasu and Susanoo, without much training (one can only assume). He managed to find a weakness in Nagato's jutsu easily (pretty much the same way Minato found it in Tobi's). And if I mentioned Tobi, let's remember he stated that he would have been dead already if Itachi knew more about him, which wasn't the case with Minato. In terms of tactics, I think saving the village is a strong positive, but the fact is that Minato abused his FTG more than used tactics. I would say Kakashi has been shown to be more tactical.

Don't know who would win this because it can easily be a one-shot match from both of them. But Itachi has shown more (because he has been around for more pages in the manga).

 

[OnPoint]

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1.- You cant discard the possibility that Tobi is still Madara somehow, after all the powers in this manga are really weird.
2.- You also dont know if Itachi actually lied in purpose to Sasuke.
3.- Look at that page and you could realize that there is the possibility that Itachi always knew that Tobi was indeed Tobi.

The chances of that being the case are rather low. Why would Itachi withold such information if there was no 'need to lie anymore'?

 

[Bogard]

I agree with what you said, but it's obvious to say who wins if they fight U_U

 

[TobisPawn]

I agree with what you said, but it's obvious to say who wins if they fight U_U

Not really...it can go either way. Though I lean towards Itachi a little because his attacks are deadlier overall if they manage to hit Minato.

 

[Dantee]

I'm inclined to tell you that you should place Tatics as a draw for Minato and Itachi. Itachi was able to analyze what needed to be done against Kabuto and Nagato. With a little help he defeated them both.

Also Minato didn't single handedly defeat Kurama. He had unexpected help from Kushina and Hiruzen's squad.

 

[TobisPawn]

I'm inclined to tell you that you should place Tatics as a draw for Minato and Itachi. Itachi was able to analyze what needed to be done against Kabuto and Nagato. With a little help he defeated them both.

Also Minato didn't single handedly defeat Kurama. He had unexpected help from Kushina and Hiruzen's squad.

Yeah. I thought about it a little and made it a draw.