Ems madara vs nagato

[Awkward Linguist]

EMS Madara < ( healthy ) Nagato
Edo Madara > ( healthy ) Nagato

 

[Midday]

why are people keep saying susanoo slash + kyuubi bijuudama cant take out out chibaku tensai ! you are really overrating this jutsu !

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Susanoo slash has to hit the core or it's going to just cut off the rock and ct will just reform. It took a direct hit from tbb, rasenshuriken and Itachi's susanoo combined to hit the core directly for it to be stopped, Madara's susanoo isn't as destructive as a tbb alone which can completely destroy a mountain not just slice. Also ct a lot bigger than a mountain.

As for the kyuubi's tbb, all we know is it took 3 attacks together including tbb to hit the core directly for it to be destroyed. The kyuubi already tried to hit the ct but it failed since it thought of it too late.

 

[francois347]

Susanoo slash has to hit the core or it's going to just cut off the rock and ct will just reform. It took a direct hit from tbb, rasenshuriken and Itachi's susanoo combined to hit the core directly for it to be stopped, Madara's susanoo isn't as destructive as a tbb alone which can completely destroy a mountain not just slice. Also ct a lot bigger than a mountain.

As for the kyuubi's tbb, all we know is it took 3 attacks together including tbb to hit the core directly for it to be destroyed. The kyuubi already tried to hit the ct but it failed since it thought of it too late.

Lol at this. It was only in 6 tails when it tried.( not like how it beat out 5 bijudama at once) and lets face it bee attack is stronger then itachi or narutos when the beat CT

 

[Dragon1]

Lol at this. It was only in 6 tails when it tried.( not like how it beat out 5 bijudama at once) and lets face it bee attack is stronger then itachi or narutos when the beat CT

Doesn't matter at all. Nagato implied he can create a larger one to trap Kurama with eight tails and that was just Deva Path. Imagine what Nagato himself can do.

 

[Strict]

Susanoo slash has to hit the core or it's going to just cut off the rock and ct will just reform. It took a direct hit from tbb, rasenshuriken and Itachi's susanoo combined to hit the core directly for it to be stopped, Madara's susanoo isn't as destructive as a tbb alone which can completely destroy a mountain not just slice. Also ct a lot bigger than a mountain.

As for the kyuubi's tbb, all we know is it took 3 attacks together including tbb to hit the core directly for it to be destroyed. The kyuubi already tried to hit the ct but it failed since it thought of it too late.

Take away the talk Itachi hold with Naruto and Bee where Chibaku Tensei grew in size and a TBB will be enough. Now consider what the perfect Susanoo would to with both his swords if a swing with one crushed a meteorite and cut two distant mountains on top. There is no doubt that Susanoo would destroy Chibaku Tensei.

Doesn't matter at all. Nagato implied he can create a larger one to trap Kurama with eight tails and that was just Deva Path. Imagine what Nagato himself can do.

Yeah Nagato could make a bigger one but this doesn't make the growth faster.

 

[Dragon1]

Yeah Nagato could make a bigger one but this doesn't make the growth faster.

Doesn't matter again. If he makes a larger sphere, Itachi will have nowhere to run. Scratch that actually. Even with the Deva Path Chibaku Tensei he will have nowhere to run lol.

 

[OnPoint]

Chibaku Tensei is big enough to comfortably house both Madara's Perfect Susanoo and the 2 meteors, many times over perhaps. There's nothing to suggest it could destroy a fully formed CT, it does not yet have that feat.

 

[Bijuu mode naruto]

it would be a good fight though

 

[FloriGlori]

Some of those comments really make me want to smash my head against the wall. I've hardly perceived so much failure inside such a small thread lately.

The Kyuubi wouldn't pose a threat to Nagato anyways. It would just get in the way.

Kyuubi wouldn't pose a threat to Nagato? Really? Since you're new here I'll forgive you that comment, but please think carefully before spouting such nonsense next time, my dear.

clearly FRS >susano slash. incomplete SM naruto sliced like 4 mountains during training.

The same goes for you. Think and do proper research before posting.
Naruto's Rasen Shuriken was cutting hollow plant-like tendrils that weren't even close to the size of the mountains Madara sliced. Compare the size of Rasen Shuriken to one of those stone-pillars.

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Now compare those pillars to the mountains or the meteorite Madara destroyed, and see how tiny the power of Rasen Shuriken is compared to the impact of Susanoo's sword. Don't tell me now that this wasn't a Senjutsu powered Rasen Shuriken, because the difference in their size is not significant.

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Susanoo slash has to hit the core or it's going to just cut off the rock and ct will just reform. It took a direct hit from tbb, rasenshuriken and Itachi's susanoo combined to hit the core directly for it to be stopped, Madara's susanoo isn't as destructive as a tbb alone which can completely destroy a mountain not just slice. Also ct a lot bigger than a mountain.

Wrong. Rasen Shuriken, Bijuu Dama and Yasaka no Magatama totally annihilated a small Chibaku Tensei, which does not in any way imply that such an impact is actually required to destroy it. Madara is currently toying with the five Kage, that does, however, not imply that anything below Madara would lose to the Kage. He's overkill, and so was the combination of those three attacks. Look at Bee's Bijuudama and tell me that it doesn't have the power to destroy a stone-ball that has at most half the size of the explosion.

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Now look at the slash of Susanoo's sword (the picture is somewhere above) - it didn't just destroy the meteorite, it was cutting two distant mountains. Without actually touching them. I'm not praising its power here, but its range. The slash covers an incredible scale and would smash the core along with all those rocks, especially if Madara attacks an early stage. Consider that Itachi could've act way earlier, but had to explain the technique and the plan to Bee and Naruto before. Not to mention that Susanoo possesses two of those swords, and could also use multiple multi-sized Yasaka no Magatama.

The kyuubi already tried to hit the ct but it failed since it thought of it too late.

Again, you're not seeing the whole picture. Kyuubi thought of attacking it too late, but in this case Madara would be the one controlling Kyuubi. You also have to consider that Naruto was merely shooting a tiny, apple-sized Bijuu Dama. Kyuubi, however, can form a Bijuu Dama that has twice the size of its body. The impact of a Bijuu Dama having twice the size of Kyuubi would obviously be leagues above one having the size of an apple.

Now that I see people talking about meteorites, Madara obviously couldn't use them with just his EMS. Madara as he is now would totally destroy Nagato, EMS Madara wins with moderate difficulty.

 

[Midday]

(1)Wrong. Rasen Shuriken, Bijuu Dama and Yasaka no Magatama totally annihilated a small Chibaku Tensei, which does not in any way imply that such an impact is actually required to destroy it. (2)Madara is currently toying with the five Kage, that does, however, not imply that anything below Madara would lose to the Kage. He's overkill, and so was the combination of those three attacks. (3)Look at Bee's Bijuudama and tell me that it doesn't have the power to destroy a stone-ball that has at most half the size of the explosion.

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(4)Now look at the slash of Susanoo's sword (the picture is somewhere above) - it didn't just destroy the meteorite, it was cutting two distant mountains. Without actually touching them. I'm not praising its power here, but its range. The slash covers an incredible scale and would smash the core along with all those rocks, especially if Madara attacks an early stage. Consider that Itachi could've act way earlier, but had to explain the technique and the plan to Bee and Naruto before. Not to mention that Susanoo possesses two of those swords, and could also use multiple multi-sized Yasaka no Magatama.


(5)Again, you're not seeing the whole picture. Kyuubi thought of attacking it too late, but in this case Madara would be the one controlling Kyuubi. You also have to consider that Naruto was merely shooting a tiny, apple-sized Bijuu Dama. Kyuubi, however, can form a Bijuu Dama that has twice the size of its body. The impact of a Bijuu Dama having twice the size of Kyuubi would obviously be leagues above one having the size of an apple.

1. We can't really speculate what's exactly is needed to destroy the core, all we know is it takes those 3 attacks were able to.

2. What has edo Madara got to do with this thread?

3. Bee's bijudama is about the same size as a mountain, ct is several times larger.

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4. The slash is impressive but ct covers a large range but is it enough to reach the core. I don't think the slash is more powerful than a tbb alone.

5. Madara's going to need to figure it out as fast as Itachi and the kyuubi's tbb is a similar size to the rest(mountain size). We don't know if Madara can use perfect susanoo and the kyuubi at the same time, shown by Tobi controlling a bijuu with eye power is taxing. Also what is Nagato and gedo mazo doing in that scenario?

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[Strict]

Do we have to talk with you like with a five year old? =)

All we know is that the combined attacks of them pulverized Chibaku Tensei and what we also know is that Chibaku Tensei grew in size while Itachi explained this technique to two stupid persons. If you attack Chibaku Tensei in its initial stage, without even explaining a plan to someone else, the force in order to destroy it (I don't talking about fully annihilate it) will of course be smaller.

And you don't need to post a picture of Chibaku Tensei in its completed form since no one would attack such a thing because being however smashed. If they would have to attack Chibaku Tensei in its complete stage, not even their combined attacks would have been enough to destroy it.

 

[Midday]

Do we have to talk with you like with a five year old? =)

All we know is that the combined attacks of them pulverized Chibaku Tensei and what we also know is that Chibaku Tensei grew in size while Itachi explained this technique to two stupid persons. If you attack Chibaku Tensei in its initial stage, without even explaining a plan to someone else, the force in order to destroy it (I don't talking about fully annihilate it) will of course be smaller.

And you don't need to post a picture of Chibaku Tensei in its completed form since no one would attack such a thing because being however smashed. If they would have to attack Chibaku Tensei in its complete stage, not even their combined attacks would have been enough to destroy it.

I don't know why you're trying to patronize me. Ct in it's inital stage, the cores still going to be in the same spot without the rocks in the way, a sword slash wont reach. It can take the pressure of being pummelled by all those rocks I don't think the shockwave from a slash is enough.

As for the picture it's the clearest one I picked from google images, which saves time looking through the manga.

 

[Strict]

Why won't it reach the core?

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- If the mere shock wave could reach two distant mountains after even crushing a meteorite, don't you think that this slash could also smash the rocks which are covering the sphere as well before destroying the sphere? In its initial stage Chibaku Tensei is not comparable with the size of a meteorite, or have i to remember you how huge it is?

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If a mere swing of this sword first crushing this meteorite and cut after two distant mountains without actually touching them, don't you think that the perfect Susanoo would be good prepared with two of this swords it can swing more than one time?

How you can't realize his.

 

[Maunten]

So Nagato is going to stand there while Susanoo slashes it and the Kyubi preps his TBB.

Now he is going to fly at them and wreck them completely, how about multiple Chibaku's....

Also as I have said earlier, the core of Chibaku is not at all fragile, it took a lot of power to destroy it, it's one thing to cut a mountain, it's another to turn it to rubble completely, which is what A TBB can do.

Btw Nagato can fly right into the susanoo and kill Madara there and then.

 

[FloriGlori]

1. We can't really speculate what's exactly is needed to destroy the core, all we know is it takes those 3 attacks were able to.

2. What has edo Madara got to do with this thread?

3. Bee's bijudama is about the same size as a mountain, ct is several times larger.

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4. The slash is impressive but ct covers a large range but is it enough to reach the core. I don't think the slash is more powerful than a tbb alone.

5. Madara's going to need to figure it out as fast as Itachi and the kyuubi's tbb is a similar size to the rest(mountain size). We don't know if Madara can use perfect susanoo and the kyuubi at the same time, shown by Tobi controlling a bijuu with eye power is taxing. Also what is Nagato and gedo mazo doing in that scenario?

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1) We can use our brains. We know how effective those attacks are against stones, and we know how much power a Bijuu Dama has. Enough power to completely annihilate Orochimaru's Sanju Rashomon, made of metal, and enough power to completely hollow out mountains. That tiny black core is not indestructable.

2) I used him as a comparisson. If someone/something is is superior to someone/something, it doesn't mean that anything weaker wouldn't be superior. Seems like you didn't get that.

3) Of course it is. I was obviously talking about a small, forming Chibaku Tensei.

4) It isn't stronger, but it covers a far bigger range. It's actually perfectly suited for destroying Chibaku Tensei, since all the power is straightly directed forward. Chibaku Tensei is basically just rubble, and we saw the slash easily destroying plenty of it. I wonder if a tiny sphere of Chakra can withstand such an impact. And as I said, the key lies in attacking it early enough, while it's still small - which isn't really hard, since it takes quite some time for Chibaku Tensei to reach its actual size. And a small Chibaku Tensei isn't even meteorite-sized.

5) I don't see any problem here. Madara's eyes are incredibly insightful, implied by him being the only one to see through Hashirama's Moku Bunshin. The Sharingan isn't just Genjutsu, Amaterasu and Susanoo; it actually harbours incredible analytical abailities and was said to be able to see through the functionality of any Nin-, Gen- and Taijutsu. Apart from that it is far from hard to figure out that the black orb Nagato throws is the centre of the gravity. Not to mention that attacking it is the only logical conclusion, in the end.

6) You couldn't be any wronger. Those mountain-busting Bijuu Damas were small compared to the maximum Kyuubi can use. Shouldn't things like that be obvious?

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7) In what scenario? During Chibaku Tensei? Nothing, since each and every of their attacks would be pulled towards the core, helping Madara rather than hurting him. And after all, Susanoo is constantly protecting Madara. If Kyuubi is summoned, he doesn't even need his perfect Susanoo in order to destroy Chibaku Tensei. And after all, it won't take long to destroy Chibaku Tensei. No, it's really no threat to Madara.

 

[Klubargutan]

complete susanoo wrecks celestial terra blast and then nagato, lol, madara wins

 

[New knight48]

madara doesnt even need kyuubi to win...so many shinobi can wreck nagato... stop overrating him...just the name of madara caused a war...

 

[genii96]

Ok,this ems madara,not edo madara,he does not have senju dna boosting his powers and he dosent have an immortal body or unlimited chakra to hold a perfect susanoo for too long. His perfect susanoo wont be as powerful as edo madara's who is far beyond his prime and madara cant control the kyubi for too long,gedo mazo has powers from all tailed beasts except kyubi and hachibi so it is damn powerful. The tbb kyubi fired at minato wasnt all that big,raw bijuus are weaker and less effective than the ones that are in jins,a controlled kyubi against its will isnt as effective as on with its full willpower. Preta path gives the user the ability to use absorbed chakra however they feel,from using it to replenish their chakra,to healing all prevuos wounds,to simply nullifying it. Absorbing a tbb wont be a problem,he can trap the kyubi in his CT ehile gedo holds off madara(ems) and then he can defeat madara. I say nagato mid-high diff.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Celestial Terra Blast

 

[Y o n d a i m e]

lol this strict and floriglori kissed always itachis ass especially floriflori hes even using an itachi ava when he backs up his fanboyism. dont compare the sharingan with the rinnegan fool.