[Spoilers] Discusion: Who Struck Kirge?
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Yet they killed izuru with one blow and I'm sorry that's the second highest rank in the soul society vice captain, albeit grimmjow is a low level captain at best he would not be fast enough to kill kirge in one blow and then pop up in front of urahara sonido isn't that fast the only espada that Is would be zomari and he's pathetic in his own right
The Sternritters aren't strong? What manga have you been reading this past month? A single shot to Kira took his arm and basically erased his reiatsu. Another one outsped Kyoraku and took his eye which is, by any means, no easy feat.
It's pretty clear that the Vandenreich are a powerful group. To just brush off their abilities as gimmicks is a pathetic excuse at best. If you're going to call their Blut, Vollstandig, and Bankai theft gimmicks then you might as well say the same for the Shinigami's Shikai, Bankai, and especially Kido...
The Captains claimed at the beginning of the fight that they wouldn't be able to win without using their Bankais:
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This was said before they got word of their Vollstandig and Blut, and before they had their Bankais stolen. This means they acknowledged their strength from the beginning based on their sheer presence and reiatsu.
In fact, there is absolutely nothing gimmicky about these techniques. The Quincy specifically set out to get revenge on Soul Society. So what's wrong with them devising an anti-Shinigami weapon/counter-measure? It's not a gimmick. It was preparation and an ingenious one at that.
As for Kirge, you do realize that he's a lowly Vandenreich lieutenant, right? He's not even a part of the Sternritters who are the Vandenreich's primary fighting force. This says MUCH about the Sternritters.
Grimmjow would definitely have the power to do something like this considering the amount of time he's had to train - over 17 months. On top of this, he's a hothead just like Ichigo which means after his defeat he would have had a burning desire to desperately get stronger.
1) Grimmjow was already equal to Bankai+Mask Ichigo in the Arrancar Arc.
2) We know that lieutenants like Renji have become powerful enough to fight Aizen-level opponents (these are Renji's words, not mine):
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3) If Renji could become this much stronger in 17 months, then Grimmjow could easily become strong enough to cut Kirge in half and Sonido to Urahara (who was already sitting down btw)
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I say this is the debut of the Royal Guards thus I think the Sword belongs to someone who knows Urahara quite well which is why he said "Oh no!".
Only one person from the Royal Guard seems to know him and that is Hikifune, his predecessor when he was Captain.
The "Oh no!" can thus be interpreted at many ways.
We're talking about a woman who capable to control Hiyori thus I daresay she is fearful.
It could also mean that he realized the situation being so grim that the Royal Guards are forced to come out.
Or possibly both.
The sword pointed at Urahara might thus be mere mocking:
"To think a man like you has become my successor, I could have killed you right here if I wanted to.No wonder the Soul Society is in such trouble with the captains becoming weaker each generation that they can't even take out an enemy as weak as this.*sheathes sword*. At least Unohana is still present so I can forgive that much."
Only one person from the Royal Guard seems to know him and that is Hikifune, his predecessor when he was Captain.
The "Oh no!" can thus be interpreted at many ways.
We're talking about a woman who capable to control Hiyori thus I daresay she is fearful.
It could also mean that he realized the situation being so grim that the Royal Guards are forced to come out.
Or possibly both.
The sword pointed at Urahara might thus be mere mocking:
"To think a man like you has become my successor, I could have killed you right here if I wanted to.No wonder the Soul Society is in such trouble with the captains becoming weaker each generation that they can't even take out an enemy as weak as this.*sheathes sword*. At least Unohana is still present so I can forgive that much."
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*sigh, you are right about them being weak, but tsukishima to em was like Danzo. had his fight in the bag, but was way too cocky and arrogant (AKA plot no jutsu) You know what I/we fans loved about the Soul Society and Arrancar arcs? (especially Arrancar) THE ENEMIES WERE MUCH STRONGER. Why is Kubo making these new enemies (Fullbringers, Vandenreich) SO WEAK? The Fullbring arc had so much potential to be a whole 'nother anime (yeah I had ideas lol xd) let alone a nice juicy, action packed arc. Even Ichigo's final fight with Aizen. 8 or 9 Captains and lieutenants (or former captains and lieutenants) get powned by him in his weakest stage and Ichigo somehow gets a quick powerup that powns Aizen's strongest stage on HIS OWN? Am I the only one disappointed by the weakness of these characters?
There are loads of morons in NB. Don't assume for your sarcasm to immediately stand out.
If you think the Vandenreich are weak then you're an idiot.
really the vandereich are weak? come on man, id really like to see anyother enemy in the manga kill half the soldiers (albeit they were small fry) in about 10 minutes with only like 13 people without sustaining any loses and then put a bullet in the 2nd strongest captains eye.
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I've been misunderstood, i agree completely that's they are powerful, what i meant is, they're frail, If they slip up with their blut, they're dead. My argument was against people saying it was impossible for Grim to kill Kirge, i believe anyone would have been able to kill him with a surprise attack like that, because without his blut, he is just flesh and blood.
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Blut is german for blood xd
Lol Yammy could be one hell of a surpise xd and Urahara know so he could be surprised by seeing yammy. Isshin is a big mo option imo
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because in chap. 422 he is laying there with half an arm cut off, a huge slice from his belly button to his shoulder and after he talks to his dog his eyes close again and he just lays there. True its not a 100% proven death and if needed he could have survived to come up again later but for as crappy as the rest of his shown time was i doubt he will be a big player even if he is twice as strong as before. He was supposed to be the strongest espada by # but kenpachi and byakuya barely broke a sweat while fighting each other, kenpachi even said the fight was "boring as f-k"
i looked at past chapters with Grimmjow in it and it actually is the same as the one seen next to urahara. So either Nel transformed or Grimmjow survived. I hope the 2nd :ice:
You don't know what you're talking about.
Despite the overall length, all zanpaktous look the same in their unreleased state - basic katanas.
They look the same to me:
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