Proof that Second Mizukage > Second Hokage (Actual Explanation Inside)

[PJayy15]

Believe me, unless you read this fight can only go one way

But the Second Mizukage is severely underrated

I dnt think he's underrated. He did kill Muu after all.

Im on Team Tobirama! (FanBoy)

Second Mizukage is still beast though!

-Suiton Users-

Great thread btw.

 

[Phoenix110]

I think the mizukage takes it from your analysis the hokage has very little chance,so very good work this is one of the best threads I have seen on this site

 

[ElementNami92]

Interesting..I agree +Rep for your work.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

You bring up some very good points and some not very good points. All together i enjoyed reading your post. However i believe the second hokage would win and this is due to:

Edo tensei
Supreme detection abilities
Tai jutsu
Genjutsu abilities

To be honest a comparison cant really be made due to the fact we dont know much about the second hokage however i do not believe that the second mizukage can absorb water and liquify himself as i have not seen him do so. Lastly the basis of this thread is very specific i.e assumming that their is water where they are battling and the exclusion of edo tensei in much of your points e.g where you said it would be two on one with the exploding clone now what happens to that situation if the second hokage has 4 or 5 edos on his side even if they arent extremely powerful they are still extremely dangerous and put the numbers in the hokages favour. All in all i think the second mizukage has a good chance but i believe that the second hokage would win.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

alright man, check it out. i will agree that Mizukage could beat the Hokage, but i do not agree that Mizukage > Hokage.
*First i'd like to point out that Yin release is simply a different way of saying Genjutsu-user, so the whole "something from nothing/imagination" stuff is Genjutsu, it doesn't actually create something from nothing or anything like that, that's Izanagi-type shit.
*One of your biggest points is that Mizukage can absorb Water-based ninjutsu. Im sorry dude but i scoured the manga, went on narutowiki, searched databooks and nowhere did i see evidence he could actually absorb water attacks. so that one is out. But, lets just say for fun that he could do it. It wouldn't matter. Hokage can control his own water, so if Mizukage absorbed it, what would he do with it? get bigger? and even if so, there'd be a limit cuz otherwise his body would explode and he'd lose the water anyway.

*He can, however, merge with water--as in surrounding water, water that is available to him--as Suigetsu did against Killer Bee, the Giant Fish jutsu or whatever. That would make no difference either because of Hokage's ability to control water. If he surrounded himself with a huge mass of water, Hokage could use that water himself to attack.

*Mizukage can also liquify, but against Hokage that really is useless as well. Hokage controls water--he was not called the best water user of his time, he is called one of the greatest water users in all of history, which is a big difference--so if the Mizukage actually turned himself into water, he'd be screwed, completely at the Hokage's mercy. If he was water, Hokage could literally dismantle him, probably put him in a water bottle and end the fight, lol.

*Also, one small point, he doesn't have an instant transportation technique within the water. I can see where you're coming from on that point, but there's a difference between going into the water and coming up in a different spot and instantly teleporting. He cannot move quicker than FTG in the water, he just can't...

*IF they fought near a source of water, this fight could NOT be won based on Water Techniques. Even though i think Hokage's water techs are physically more powerful, Mizukage's Hozuki-type techs have unique enough properties that extra power wouldn't make a difference. On the other hand, Mizukage's water techs are physically way too weak to hurt Hokage except the finger-water-gun, cuz that can blast right through whoever it hits--but it would have to hit first. In the case of these two fighters, having a source of water nearby would give them an advantage only against someone else, not against each other. The fight would be won with different abilities. The Clam Genjutsu is indeed formidable and i could see Hokage having a hard time with that except he can use his finger on the ground to locate the real Clam and Mizukage, so i guess he actually wouldn't have that hard of a time. Also, if Hokage uses Edo Tensei... Mizukage would be completely screwed. Also, i don't see Joki boy as much of a threat... It's not very strong, just really fast and annoying and seeing as how it's mostly water, Hokage could probably stop it. Plus S/T techs are generally OP, so even though we don't know the extent of Hokage S/T use, I see Hokage winning 7 or 8 out of 10 times.

*But finally, if they were NOT near any water, there's not much to say. Hokage was so strong that he could use unimaginably powerful water techs with no water around. In this case, Hogake has the benefit of being able to use water as well as the rest of his arsenal. Mizukage would be screwed because all he has left is the Clam, which Hokage could locate with his finger. in these conditions, Hokage wins 10/10 times.
PLUS, with or without water, we don't know the extent of Hokage's S/T techs. So, with S/T Jutsu factored in, there's probably no way for the Mizukage to win at all....

So, while shit happens and there are always surprises and we don't know the full arsenal of either fighter--especially about Hokage's S/T jutsu--it is possible for either one to win. However, from what i've seen, read, and researched, I'd give it mostly to the Hokage

Awesome just read this and it says quite a fair bit

 

[realobito1]

WHy does the second hokage have so many fans but we know so little. Also I wish people would stop saying that second hokage has edo tensei. It requires the DNA of the one being revived. Considering he himself band the jutsu I doubt he would have been caring around the DNA of the strongest Ninja he could find to be revived

 

[Heroo]

I Can't vote for either. Insignificant data. But I also agree with whats said above me.

 

[shogun973]

Normally you post both sides of the story
Tobirama went down as the most powerful water user in history can make the most strongest water justu with a single hand.Also has the YIN release.
dabled in spacetime known as the edo tensei and could detect anyuone within the area by simply touching the ground and had the legendary lightning blade.And you think he is going to lose because of some oil ? You are ridiculous.

It would be a nice match but do not count the 2nd out before you even post up his abilities

he did post it

 

[sacredjutsu]

close fight but....no sorry the hokage would win

 

[SilverSlick]

WHy does the second hokage have so many fans but we know so little. Also I wish people would stop saying that second hokage has edo tensei. It requires the DNA of the one being revived. Considering he himself band the jutsu I doubt he would have been caring around the DNA of the strongest Ninja he could find to be revived

You know why he has so many fans? Because he dresses like a boss, he has two of the best technique's, one that he created(Edo Tensei) and he died like a boss. Seriously, the general consensus is that he is the coolest looking mother ****er of all. Only 2nd Raikage can compete.

 

[iKiddMars]

Tobirama Vs 2nd Mizukage ? ? ?

I Honestly think the 2nd Mizukage has this one. Your points were very valid and had logic behind them based on current feats. +REP

 

[zombiejesus]

all i know is that he looks like a creepy pedophile i bet he drove a rape van when he was a live plus he has a gaint clam wtf a clam lol

 

[Guli]

Tobirama is Tobi

 

[zombiejesus]

Tobirama is Tobi

cool story tell me more ...and tobi is hashirama man he killed tobirama and implanted his heart in himself like the uchiha do with eyes senju do with body parts thats why there are no more hashi/tobi killed them all making himself stronger by adding their body parts he now has what is like ems but in the body for he has emb ....what you mean thats not true

 

[KingHashirama]

I've never denied Tobirama's monster strength but A > B > C logic doesn't always work.

This is just a bad match up for Tobirama





When the water technique comes out of Tobirama it becomes a water source itself and as shown by Suigetsu he can merge with it, which is basically absorbing it.

The Second Mizukage was pretty intelligent and would know the 2nd Hokage is a water element user and so would probably only turn into water above a water source to avoid being controlled.


Also The Second Hokage controlling the Second Mizukage's massive water body would be difficult as the Mizukage can resolidify instantly.

I understand your point about FTG and so yeah i agree that it is faster but this technique is very similar when used above a water source.

Also the Second Hokage's finger technique can be off set by the Mizukage merging with a relatively big body of water.

Finally, do not underestimate the exploding clone as it is a infinite jutsu with destructive capacties, and the Second Hokage would be slightly distracted the entire fight which could be a key factor.

Anyway i have to go to bed, i will whoop u in a argument tomorrow

He can't merge if he can't react to it. This is where S/T jutsu comes in.

 

[Normal fanboy]

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[zombiejesus]

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i know right

 

[tracytracy22]

I've said it before but i'll say it again: just because the 2nd mizukage is from the hozuki clan doesn't mean he can use the same jutsu as suigetsu. Assuming he can, then obviously the 2nd mizukage would beat tobirama because he would be such a horrible match-up. But this doesn't mean he is stronger than he is...this thread shouldn't have even been created in the first place. You could have given it a better title.

 

[DeViliShChild]

Very well written, and i have to agree with you. The main fact is that we have seen no feats of the Second Hokage.

1.We have no clue how talented his S/T jutsu is, we have to assume it is the worst we have ever seen though because tobi's is the single best jutsu we have ever seen in the entire manga, and Minato was given the flee on sight order (an impressive feat). Nothing has ever been said about The second Hokages.

1.5 and hell if it was on par with either of the above, or of the same nature he would have been able to kill the " 20 highly skilled ninja" instead of sacrifice.
Instead we have to assume it's something on the level of Kakashi's Kamui which may be ineffective if used too much, or isn't able to spam, or something.


2 Edo Tensei.
Two things on this. One is he claimed it forbidden and as such he wouldn't use it himself. Therefore he wouldn't have bodies and dna lined up.
Second, even if he did carry around the stuff we know he invented it, not perfected it. So best case scenario he is on Orochimaru's level of usage. Worst case would be it's useless.

3. No genjutsu show by Tobirama. (Anime darkness doesn't count, was not in manga)

So all Tobirama is left with is great water techniques and some Taijutsu. Doesn't seem too scary.


Second Mizukage has the following
Can turn into water( which there goes water attacks lol!)
Shoot water bullets
Battlefield wide genjutsu
Explosion technique (which cold water attacks would probably nullify)
Beat Muu

 

[6pathofpain]

I think the fight could go either way...

The 2nd hokage in my eyes does have the lightning blade, i read his bio an if his bio says it, thats good enough for me. And with that sword and the bringer of darkness genjutsu i think he could win. THe 2nd mizukage turning to water would have the same effect as when suigetsu told sasuke to use the chidori on him while he was holding killer bee, or the lightnig sword Cee put to suigetsu when they fought. I still dont fully understand the oil thing but that will only be useful if he gets it off in time.