Amaterasu is useless against Neji

[The Hidden Shinobi]

the way im thinking is that amaterasu burns what ever it touches. like everyone before has stated that neji has chakra come from the openings on his body for the technique. thus if he manages to use the technique and block amaterasu wouldn't the chakra coming from the openings get burned and cause the flames to move into his body trying to burn the chakra that is flowing out?

This wall is not some thin layer of chakra it is dense powerful chakra that rotates rapidly and it acts as a shield.

Why do you think in the hidden leaf village hyuga are right underneath the uchiha in power it is because of their doujutsu and their techs and their deadly taijutsu. This is why they are the strongest clan in the hidden leaf right now

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

It won't burn inwards because of the rate at which it burns....that is the whole basis of Nejis ability to rid himself of it, Amaterasu burns slowly.

Do we even know if it will be able to burn past Neji's pure chakra, it couldn't burn Gaara's chakra infused sand, I just assumed that it would for the sake of as fair an argument as possible, also to minimise unnecessary rebuttals by preemptively conceding to arguments that I thought would not effect the overall outcome of the debate.

Q of the sharingan you do make logical arguments but in this case I get the feeling you make assumptions about amaterasu which result in it being more powerful than it has actually been shown to be.

To be fair, all of the discussions based on Neji countering Ama are based on assumptions. Assumptions that Neji's chakra expulsion is similar to Deva path's Shinra Tensei and the burn rate of Ama.

Ama was able to burn throught the fire retardant stomach of the mountain frog, Nagato's body (especially arm), and half of Sasuke's body ( he survived because of Oro's oral rebirth, remember that Oro was able to regenerate his entire body after being cut in half) all quickly. All of these things are flesh, which burn. Sand and Metal do not burn, they melt. That is why the Samurai was able survive after getting his armor ripped off and even then he was devasted by being cooked in his armor. We don't know how Gaara's sand that was hit by Ama looks, because the fire was still on it.

People's assumptions on Ama's burn rate is false. It burns quickly on things that burn. Neji will be on fire, with at least his epidermis burnt off when hit by Ama. When he releases chakra, that will be burnt as well and he will still be in contact with fire.

 

[~Dream~]

Agreed.

 

[Maunten]

To be fair, all of the discussions based on Neji countering Ama are based on assumptions. Assumptions that Neji's chakra expulsion is similar to Deva path's Shinra Tensei and the burn rate of Ama.

Ama was able to burn throught the fire retardant stomach of the mountain frog, Nagato's body (especially arm), and half of Sasuke's body ( he survived because of Oro's oral rebirth, remember that Oro was able to regenerate his entire body after being cut in half. All of these things are flesh, which burn. Sand and Metal do not burn, they melt. That is why the Samurai was able survive after getting his armor ripped off and even then he was devasted by being cooked in his armor. We don't know how Gaara's sand that was hit by Ama looks, because the fire was still on it.

People's assumptions on Ama's burn rate is false. It burns quickly on things that burn. Neji will be on fire, with at least his epidermis burnt off when hit by Ama. When he releases chakra, that will be burnt as well and he will still be in contact with fire.

I know that logic and science tells us that metal melts, but amaterasu burns everything, it burns water, water should not burn it should evaporate.

The samurai escaped because it burns slowly, please tell me how karin survived?


I never assumed it was similar I used deva for a minds eye reference for visuals.

It is not an assumption that Neji's epidermal chakra is thick and powerful, I showed a picutre of naruto not being able to touch neji, this is a fact.

Amaterasu burns slowly enough for Neji to blow it off by forcing a dense and powerful layer of chakra through his skin, lifting the amaterasu from his skin and onto the layer of thick powerful chakra.

Then explode that chakra off, while the amaterasu is still burning it, this is not a shinra tensei yes, but it is still effective.

 

[King Cobra]

Interesting very I like this it's all possible I agree

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

I know that logic and science tells us that metal melts, but amaterasu burns everything, it burns water, water should not burn it should evaporate.

The samurai escaped because it burns slowly, please tell me how karin survived?


I never assumed it was similar I used deva for a minds eye reference for visuals.

It is not an assumption that Neji's epidermal chakra is thick and power, I show a picutre of naruto not being able to touch neji, this is a fact.

Amaterasu burns

slowly enough​

for Neji to blow it off by, form a think powerful chakra lay through his skin, lifting the amaterasu from his skin and onto the layer of thick powerful chakra.

Then explode that chakra off, why the amaterasu is still burning it, this is not a shinra tensei effect.

Water still evaporated, it didn't burn into non existence or go through a chemical change. That is why thunder clouds formed when Itachi spread the land with Ama flames. The heat caused the water in the air to rise and condense into clouds. If that happened, then it also evaporates water in its liquid state.

The samurai escaped because the flames were melting his full body armor and then it was ripped off of him. The Karin thing is the only exception and shows the one instance of inconsistency with Kishi portraying Ama in its burning aspects. Even then, she passed out due to the damage done to her back by the flames.

The way you explained your theory, you assume that Neji can control the chakra he releases from his skin with fluid precision, as if it is an semisolid. I have only seen him to be able to basically fire chakra from his individual chakra points. With Naruto, he was pushing his chakra out of certain points, not forming a barrier in the traditional sense. It is like trying to walk into a strong wind, not into a physical wall. Wind spreads fire, not actually picking it up and placing it somewhere else.

I also consider the case that Neji is actually able to push the flames off with chakra. When he is touched by the flames, he would take substantial damage and be incapacitated. In either case, Neji loses once he is hit.

ps. You argue your point very well. +rep for that.

 

[LeroyP]

Every 1 is a troll saying neji can counter it

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Every 1 is a troll saying neji can counter it

Dude amaterasu is not unstoppable a simple body flicker can counter it.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Dude amaterasu is not unstoppable a simple body flicker can counter it.

Simple body flicker? Try lightning armor enhanced body flicker. It isn't unstoppable but it is hard to defend against. You need extreme speed or to hide behind physical barrier to defend against it.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Simple body flicker? Try lightning armor enhanced body flicker. It isn't unstoppable but it is hard to defend against. You need extreme speed or to hide behind physical barrier to defend against it.

True that true that. But let's be real now, and I mean let's me real amaterasu is not thatt difficult to counter. Fodders will all die from this but mid - high level shinobi will all have there own ways to counter against it even if it means some damage or no damage at all. Because if not that means amaterasu > Kakashi and > gai and > choji > Lee > hiruzen... That would mean that amaterasu can kill everyone with 1 shot. Which to me is unrealistic in the naruto world top class shinobi have ways top counter to class techs. Neji being able to counter amaterasu is his top class way.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

True that true that. But let's be real now, and I mean let's me real amaterasu is not thatt difficult to counter. Fodders will all die from this but mid - high level shinobi will all have there own ways to counter against it even if it means some damage or no damage at all. Because if not that means amaterasu > Kakashi and > gai and > choji > Lee > hiruzen... That would mean that amaterasu can kill everyone with 1 shot. Which to me is unrealistic in the naruto world top class shinobi have ways top counter to class techs. Neji being able to counter amaterasu is his top class way.

If you are hit by it at all, the damage is great. Kakashi has no real way to counter it unless he hides in the earth or is able to Kamui it off of himself. Gai is fast as hell with gates open. Choji dies. Lee maybe able to avoid for a time. Hiruzen has to hide behind an mud wall or risk death. It is a one shot jutsu. If it doesn't cause death, then it causes people to pass out. Nagato had to regenerate the damage to move, it burned half of Sasuke's body, Karin passed out, it burned the Eight tails entire chakra body, Danzo had to Izanagi out of it, Ay had to cut off his arm ect. It is a MS jutsu for a reason, called the "strongest" ninjutsu like Tsuku is for genjutsu. It is a higher than top class jutsu that needs extraordinary ways to counter. Sorry but I don't think Neji has anything to actually stop from taking any damage at all from it. Which he would have to do or be defeated.

 

[Trendy]

mmm you might be right
but you might also be wrong
because it burns charka so i dont think he is gonna be able to push it away
once it is on him

 

[Maunten]

Water still evaporated, it didn't burn into non existence or go through a chemical change. That is why thunder clouds formed when Itachi spread the land with Ama flames. The heat caused the water in the air to rise and condense into clouds. If that happened, then it also evaporates water in its liquid state.

The samurai escaped because the flames were melting his full body armor and then it was ripped off of him. The Karin thing is the only exception and shows the one instance of inconsistency with Kishi portraying Ama in its burning aspects. Even then, she passed out due to the damage done to her back by the flames.

The way you explained your theory, you assume that Neji can control the chakra he releases from his skin with fluid precision, as if it is an semisolid. I have only seen him to be able to basically fire chakra from his individual chakra points. With Naruto, he was pushing his chakra out of certain points, not forming a barrier in the traditional sense. It is like trying to walk into a strong wind, not into a physical wall. Wind spreads fire, not actually picking it up and placing it somewhere else.

I also consider the case that Neji is actually able to push the flames off with chakra. When he is touched by the flames, he would take substantial damage and be incapacitated. In either case, Neji loses once he is hit.

ps. You argue your point very well. +rep for that.

Wow my spelling was horrible in that, I apalogise.

One more thing you say that Amaterasu will use Neji's chakra as fuel, yet zetsu who was sucking his chakra was still damaged pushed off by the body blow, I'll correct my earlier post.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

If you are hit by it at all, the damage is great. Kakashi has no real way to counter it unless he hides in the earth or is able to Kamui it off of himself. Gai is fast as hell with gates open. Choji dies. Lee maybe able to avoid for a time. Hiruzen has to hide behind an mud wall or risk death. It is a one shot jutsu. If it doesn't cause death, then it causes people to pass out. Nagato had to regenerate the damage to move, it burned half of Sasuke's body, Karin passed out, it burned the Eight tails entire chakra body, Danzo had to Izanagi out of it, Ay had to cut off his arm ect. It is a MS jutsu for a reason, called the "strongest" ninjutsu like Tsuku is for genjutsu. It is a higher than top class jutsu that needs extraordinary ways to counter. Sorry but I don't think Neji has anything to actually stop from taking any damage at all from it. Which he would have to do or be defeated.

Neji can see it coming before it comes which means he gets the heads up early.

With this he can either run, full body blow or heavenly rotation. The hyuga are not just underneath the uchiha for no reason, you know kishi he would give a reason to why neji counters it if the situation ever came up.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Wow my spelling was horrible in that, I apalogise.

One more thing you say that Amaterasu will use Neji's chakra as fuel, yet zetsu who was sucking his chakra was still damaged pushed off by the body blow, I'll correct my earlier post.

He used the chakra as force, it was too much at one time for the zetsu to absorb. Also, Zetsu is a material object, fire isn't.

Neji can see it coming before it comes which means he gets the heads up early.

With this he can either run, full body blow or heavenly rotation. The hyuga are not just underneath the uchiha for no reason, you know kishi he would give a reason to why neji counters it if the situation ever came up.

He can see it coming, I'll give him that, but the prep time for it isn't long. He can't run, he isn't fast enough. He would use full body blow if it hits him and in that case it would either just feed the flames or cause a lot of damage if he is able to get the flames off of him. Rotation would have to be used in a short burst or else while he is continuously spinning, the flames would eat away at the chakra and reach Neji. I think the only counter for Neji is burst Rotation with knowledge that Ama is coming and a small flame from Ama. If it is too large, like the wall of flames Sasuke made against Kabuto for instance, Neji would just trap himself in the flames and most likely die. I think that Kabuto didn't try to jump over Sasuke's wall of Ama because it was too hot above the flames and he would take too much damage.

 

[Maunten]

He used the chakra as force, it was too much at one time for the zetsu to absorb. Also, Zetsu is a material object, fire isn't.



He can see it coming, I'll give him that, but the prep time for it isn't long. He can't run, he isn't fast enough. He would use full body blow if it hits him and in that case it would either just feed the flames or cause a lot of damage if he is able to get the flames off of him. Rotation would have to be used in a short burst or else while he is continuously spinning, the flames would eat away at the chakra and reach Neji. I think the only counter for Neji is burst Rotation with knowledge that Ama is coming and a small flame from Ama. If it is too large, like the wall of flames Sasuke made against Kabuto for instance, Neji would just trap himself in the flames and most likely die. I think that Kabuto didn't try to jump over Sasuke's wall of Ama because it was too hot above the flames and he would take too much damage.

If it is too much for zetsu to absorb at once why is it not too much for amaterasu to burn at once, a layer with too much charkra to be burned at once becomes a layer under the amaterasu, push the layer off the flames come off with it.

 

[realobito1]

I see what your getting at it is just not true. It is like your comparing neji's ability to nagato's when the two are not comparable. Even if he could neji's body would just be destroyed. Neji is done for. Amaterasu is only avoidable by the following ninja: naruto, A, Minato, Maybe jiraiya in sage mode, Maybe Killerbee, Oro can make a new body when hit, Gaara could block via sand shield, Maybe guy but he would have to be in atleast the fifth gate at this moment and kakashi could kamui but even that is an option only three times max.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

He can see it coming, I'll give him that, but the prep time for it isn't long. He can't run, he isn't fast enough. He would use full body blow if it hits him and in that case it would either just feed the flames or cause a lot of damage if he is able to get the flames off of him. Rotation would have to be used in a short burst or else while he is continuously spinning, the flames would eat away at the chakra and reach Neji. I think the only counter for Neji is burst Rotation with knowledge that Ama is coming and a small flame from Ama. If it is too large, like the wall of flames Sasuke made against Kabuto for instance, Neji would just trap himself in the flames and most likely die. I think that Kabuto didn't try to jump over Sasuke's wall of Ama because it was too hot above the flames and he would take too much damage.

These flames can not be fed that was an error I believe. I think anyway.

Neji can do full body blow before the flame touches him, for example if he does it the second he see's the chakra building up in sasuke's eye if he does it straight away it will be about prefect timing because ama is so fast.

The flames can't eat chakra? To my knowledge if they can show me a scan or something.

And this chakra is a shield, think of this if someone had chakra around them a kunai can still hit them but neji is using powerful chakra as a dense shield (this may not be the exact correct terminology to explain it) a kunai will not go through it but it will deflect of it.

Ama will not go through it, it will burn around the chakra shield and then disperse

 

[Fearmonger]

He can force it away,yes. But not before he suffers alot of burn damage which would leave him a sitting duck as he is still left with the 3rd degree burns and pain.

 

[Maunten]

He can force it away,yes. But not before he suffers alot of burn damage which would leave him a sitting duck as he is still left with the 3rd degree burns and pain.

Karins burns weren't so bad.