Language of Zen

[Zenryoku]

True, true...

Got any debateable topics?​

 

[~Yubel~]

Got any debateable topics?​

Hmm....I think, why should you not hate someone? Is forgivness important? Why should you not get revenge on that person?

 

[Zenryoku]

Hmm....I think, why should you not hate someone? Is forgivness important? Why should you not get revenge on that person?

you can forgive but doesnt mean you need to accept them, end the day forgiving somone shows your the bigger person but then some can argue that there are some situations where people are just not worth forgiving but obviously reacting to it doesnt help either​

 

[Pesh]

Speaking of your language...

On topic, there's no such thing as right and wrong choices, they are just choices which will lead you one way or another.

 

[~Yubel~]

you can forgive but doesnt mean you need to accept them, end the day forgiving somone shows your the bigger person but then some can argue that there are some situations where people are just not worth forgiving but obviously reacting to it doesnt help either​

True but people that dont forgive and are looking for revenge aren´t thinking about being equal to or better, they just want closure and they believe revenge will make them most satisfied.

Also, i have an idea for a topic but it´s a little controversial, what is death?

 

[Avani]

Also, i have an idea for a topic but it´s a little controversial, what is death?

Soul moving on to next stage discarding the body which cannot sustain/contain it any longer, like we change clothes and throw away ragged ones.

 

[Klaus]

Death is only the begining xD- Imotep from The Mummy..

Anyways on to real matters. Death is a part of life. The only real and sure thing you have in life is death or atleast its my opinion O_O

 

[Zenryoku]

True but people that dont forgive and are looking for revenge aren´t thinking about being equal to or better, they just want closure and they believe revenge will make them most satisfied.

Also, i have an idea for a topic but it´s a little controversial, what is death?

Well depends on the revenge, if its done through the law sure but personal revenge is not good, and death depends on the individual, some say its the end, some say its only the beginning of something new but there are many theories and its up to you how to percieve it.
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[~Yubel~]

Soul moving on to next stage discarding the body which cannot sustain/contain it any longer, like we change clothes and throw away ragged ones.

Funny, that´s how i view it...

Death is only the begining xD- Imotep from The Mummy..

Anyways on to real matters. Death is a part of life. The only real and sure thing you have in life is death or atleast its my opinion O_O

And that you´re living currently.

Well depends on the revenge, if its done through the law sure but personal revenge is not good, and death depends on the individual, some say its the end, some say its only the beginning of something new but there are many theories and its up to you how to percieve it.
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Do you believe revenge through law is more justified then personal revenge? What do you mean when you say personal revenge is not good?
Also, what would your opinion of death be, my interpretation would be Tsuchi´s.

 

[Zenryoku]

Soul moving on to next stage discarding the body which cannot sustain/contain it any longer, like we change clothes and throw away ragged ones.

Funny, that´s how i view it...

And that you´re living currently.

Do you believe revenge through law is more justified then personal revenge? What do you mean when you say personal revenge is not good?
Also, what would your opinion of death be, my interpretation would be Tsuchi´s.

I think it be down to the situation and the person, some situations id go by law where as others i would take myself but then that action would be seen by many as the wrong and selfish action.

as for my interpretation of death i dont really have one, because you just cant tell what happens after whether it be how tsuchi describes or merely our existance ends there we cant really say all we can do is speculate and believe if what we feel​

 

[~Yubel~]

I think it be down to the situation and the person, some situations id go by law where as others i would take myself but then that action would be seen by many as the wrong and selvish action.

as for my interpretation of death i dont really have one, because you just cant tell what happens after whether it be how tsuchi describes or merely our existance ends there we cant really say all we can do is speculate and believe if what we feel​

Imo revenge is always personal...also it´s true that we don´t know anything for sure about death and can´t explain what happens afterwards because only the dead knows what happens and of course, the dead can´t communicate with the living based on science and i dont mean to bring science in here but i think near death experiences where people have reported seeing god, angels, late family members can´t be ignored and could give us some clue about it. I think i could go deeper into this but there isn´t much to say, it´s based mostly on intuition and deep reflecting on oneself.

 

[Zenryoku]

Imo revenge is always personal...also it´s true that we don´t know anything for sure about death and can´t explain what happens afterwards because only the dead knows what happens and of course, the dead can´t communicate with the living based on science and i dont mean to bring science in here but i think near death experiences where people have reported seeing god, angels, late family members can´t be ignored and could give us some clue about it. I think i could go deeper into this but there isn´t much to say, it´s based mostly on intuition and deep reflecting on oneself.

I think you can only really believe it if you experience it yourself, the concept is for many people hard to grasp where as there are many who believe otherwise​

 

[~Yubel~]

I think you can only really believe it if you experience it yourself, the concept is for many people hard to grasp where as there are many who believe otherwise​

I agree, experience is the best teacher.

 

[Zenryoku]

I agree, experience is the best teacher.

indeed, well i think we should move onto another topic as not many people taking part and only other way i can see this going is into religious views and such. ​

 

[~Yubel~]

indeed, well i think we should move onto another topic as not many people taking part and only other way i can see this going is into religious views and such. ​

Yeah, it´s pretty much the two of us and i dont have much ideas for a discussion...you have any?

 

[Zenryoku]

Yeah, well, i dont have much ideas for a discussion...you have any?

hmm lets think well i guess we could for now return to the question Ryoku about where does perception comes from? i have my idea of it but il wait to see if you have any concept or view

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[Pesh]

True but people that dont forgive and are looking for revenge aren´t thinking about being equal to or better, they just want closure and they believe revenge will make them most satisfied.

Also, i have an idea for a topic but it´s a little controversial, what is death?

Well, death is the permanent termination of all biological functions. Other then that, everything else is subjective. So for some, it might be the afterlife, Paradise or Heaven or whatsoever, for others, as Tsuchi said, it's the Reincarnation, and I believe it's just the end. Black! End! You are no more

hmm lets think well i guess we could for now return to the question Ryoku about where does perception comes from? i have my idea of it but il wait to see if you have any concept or view

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Well, regarding that I believe Kant got it all right, although a little antique.
First, there's a World and we perceive it, but each organism perceives it differently because each has a different biological structure and different Nervous Systems. And then, each human being perceives it differently from the other because perceiving we filter it through our personal experiences and feelings.

 

[Avani]

hmm lets think well i guess we could for now return to the question Ryoku about where does perception comes from? i have my idea of it but il wait to see if you have any concept or view

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Perception comes from the Latin perceptio, percipio.

It is the organization, identification, and interpretation of sensory information in order to fabricate a mental representation through the process of transduction, which sensors in the body transform signals from the environment into encoded neural signals.:ice:

 

[Zenryoku]

Perception comes from the Latin perceptio, percipio.

It is the organization, identification, and interpretation of sensory information in order to fabricate a mental representation through the process of transduction, which sensors in the body transform signals from the environment into encoded neural signals.:ice:

Nice, my personal view is that it stems again back to human nature, for within human nature is mans curiosity of things and from there man then iinvestigates through various methods and that builds up information through trial and error for example a younge child who has never seen a scorpion will just think to pick it up or touch but then is stung so from that experience man then gets perception from emotions and error of action or result of action so to say and thus they gain a perception of that thing xD​

 

[Avani]

Nice, my personal view is that it stems again back to human nature, for within human nature is mans curiosity of things and from there man then iinvestigates through various methods and that builds up information through trial and error for example a younge child who has never seen a scorpion will just think to pick it up or touch but then is stung so from that experience man then gets perception from emotions and error of action or result of action so to say and thus they gain a perception of that thing xD​

In other words perception is one of the effects of 'experience'.