Tobi's S/T tech is THE greatest technique ever witnessed in the manga

[Gold Lightning]

Then that's a draw.
BTW- does ftg have a range limit?

My point wasn't about Minato winning, it was just to explain that he can escape while Tobi's S/T weakness won't allow him to escape.

And wherever Minato places the seal he can teleport t so technically it doesn't have a range. He could put a seal in the hidden sand village, and teleport from konoha to there as he pleases.

 

[Hipster Madara]

My point wasn't about Minato winning, it was just to explain that he can escape while Tobi's S/T weakness won't allow him to escape.

And wherever Minato places the seal he can teleport t so technically it doesn't have a range. He could put a seal in the hidden sand village, and teleport from konoha to there as he pleases.

True.
That's pretty BA. xd

 

[Munboy]

FTG would not be effective against Tobi's jutsu if Tobi had the intent not to play around. There was a reason Tobi and Minato were certain that if the former grabbed the latter once more, that would be the end of it.

 

[Gold Lightning]

FTG would not be effective against Tobi's jutsu if Tobi had the intent not to play around. There was a reason Tobi and Minato were certain that if the former grabbed the latter once more, that would be the end of it.

Please don't try and say Tobi was not serious in that fight. What exactly do you mean by not play around, I hope you're not suggesting what I think you are.

 

[Munboy]

Please don't try and say Tobi was not serious in that fight. What exactly do you mean by not play around, I hope you're not suggesting what I think you are.

He was serious, but not as much as he could have when he initially grabbed Minato. Why else would he, and Minato, be confident that if he grabbed Minato a second time, that the warping would have been successful without a doubt?

Unless, of course, Tobi didn't give Hiraishin its due credit when he grabbed Minato the first time.

Minato seems to agree with me hence he was confident that the victor of their battle would depend on who was faster. That thought shouldn't have entered his mind if he could always teleport away once Tobi grabbed him.

 

[Ryuu..]

Indeed. With that jutsu alone, you could possibly fight top tiers. Give it tools like the EMS or Rinnegan and you're invincible.

For example, Tobi has shown that he can make things he touches intangible. Imagine Gedo Mazo fighting and Tobi making Gedo Mazo intangible when an incoming jutsu is on its way.
Speaking of intangibility, it would also completely eliminate strategies to hit the user within jutsu like Susnaoo.

Though one of the greatest jutsu, it seems to only be really great when combined with other jutsu. For example Tobi has shown he can use other jutsu while being intangible - the Outer Path chains - so that can easily compensate for Shinra Tensei's 5 second window. That makes Tobi almost unbeatable.

I'd pretty much agree with this.

 

[Gold Lightning]

He was serious, but not as much as he could have when he initially grabbed Minato. Why else would he, and Minato, be confident that if he grabbed Minato a second time, that the warping would have been successful without a doubt?

Unless, of course, Tobi didn't give Hiraishin its due credit when he grabbed Minato the first time.

Minato seems to agree with me hence he was confident that the victor of their battle would depend on who was faster. That thought shouldn't have entered his mind if he could always teleport away once Tobi grabbed him.

But Tobi had no idea that Minato could teleport to his Kunai's, and Minato took advantage of that. Tobi was very serious and confident that he would win but did not anticipate Minato warping to that Kunai which is what led to his defeat.

 

[Munboy]

But Tobi had no idea that Minato could teleport to his Kunai's, and Minato took advantage of that. Tobi was very serious and confident that he would win but did not anticipate Minato warping to that Kunai which is what led to his defeat.

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying that if we consider both jutsu (Tobi's and Minato's FTG), Tobi's comes off better because one warp could mean the end of the entire battle.
What happened at the Hokage monument occurred because it seemed Tobi didn't take Hiraishin as seriously as he should've. I'm saying that in retrospect, had Tobi given Hiraishin its due credit when he grabbed Minato, the battle would've ended there.

 

[Zayon Uchiha]

Defensively he can avoid any and all attacks or just warp away. I repeat:

Defensively he can avoid any and all attacks or just warp away.

Offensively he can teleport others and trap them permanently. Any opponent can be taken in this way. It is basically a sealing technique, because as of yet, there is NO way to escape his dimension.

He can locate anyone anywhere (like we saw vs Minato), he can travel anywhere instantly and can hold victims in his dimension for future use. For example Torune.

The only weakness is the 5 min limit, which only one person after years of following/studying managed to figure out. It can only be countered by a continuous attack which lasts 5 minutes.

No other single technique is this versatile.

I agree

 

[~Dream~]

Greatest technique is Plot no Jutsu. It's fast and a very powerful genjutsu that involves a pen and eraser and brain.

 

[Mangekyo Master]

The only weakness is the 5 min limit, which only one person after years of following/studying managed to figure out. It can only be countered by a continuous attack which lasts 5 minutes.

No other single technique is this versatile.[/QUOTE]

I believe konan was talking about the weakness of intangible that it has a 5 min limit snd the weakness of the S/T tech was that tobi needed to be in a solid state to warp himself away

 

[-Logic-]

Good thread and good points but the greatest technique that the Manga has ever seen is Creation of All Things; There's no disputing that ^^

 

[Gold Lightning]

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying that if we consider both jutsu (Tobi's and Minato's FTG), Tobi's comes off better because one warp could mean the end of the entire battle.
What happened at the Hokage monument occurred because it seemed Tobi didn't take Hiraishin as seriously as he should've. I'm saying that in retrospect, had Tobi given Hiraishin its due credit when he grabbed Minato, the battle would've ended there.

I see, but I already agreed that Tobi's jutsu is better. Although it does have a couple drawbacks.

Still I don't see what difference it would have made whether Tobi gave FTG more credit than he did. Minato would've still teleported out of it right?

 

[Nooby Kyuubi]

What if Tobi's hand was in someone's head while he was intangible and then he solidified? Gruesome!

OT: Tobi's S/T tech may be the greatest.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

What if Tobi's hand was in someone's head while he was intangible and then he solidified? Gruesome!

OT: Tobi's S/T tech may be the greatest.

It is so so HAX.

 

[I love pancakes]

Konan had weeks of preperation, don't make me laugh. Minato beat Tobi with 2 moves, not one (FTG and Rasengan). Minato was what made FTG effective, not the jutsu as such. No other single technique is as versatile or brilliant as Tobi's.

didnt read rest of thread but... the fact that tobi was over confident and almost got killed twice which is what the dude u quoted implied, just cuz tobi is over confident dosent mean the tech aint good. only part where it MAY be lacking is speed. it takes him a few seconds to teleport or warp or whatever while FTG is instant. not saying FTG is better... i would have tobi's S/T over FTG any day if i could. i mean imagine the possibilities <.<. but FTG wins over it in speed, both teleport but FTG is instant while tobi's thing takes a few seconds depending on who or what he is warping.

 

[Gold Lightning]

didnt read rest of thread but... the fact that tobi was over confident and almost got killed twice which is what the dude u quoted implied, just cuz tobi is over confident dosent mean the tech aint good. only part where it MAY be lacking is speed. it takes him a few seconds to teleport or warp or whatever while FTG is instant. not saying FTG is better... i would have tobi's S/T over FTG any day if i could. i mean imagine the possibilities <.<. but FTG wins over it in speed, both teleport but FTG is instant while tobi's thing takes a few seconds depending on who or what he is warping.

This is what I've been trying to say rep +

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Forgot to add, Tobi has shown to be able to turn things he touches intangible aswell. E.g. Gedo Mazo. Only plot has thus far restricted him from doing this, but also, he has not been actually touching Gedo himself. The jutsu is just too broken.

 

[jafar]

It's a very, very impressive jutsu, but I'm not sure it's the best. I'd say that FTG, 3rd Raikage's finger technique and Muu and Oonoki's particle style are all on that same level.

yup, but like itachi said every technique have its own weakneses therefore i don't think there is such a technique that is "best" everything can be countered on one way or another, the thing that matters is the person who uses it and how peace

 

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