Tobi's S/T tech is THE greatest technique ever witnessed in the manga

[TouchMyMangos]

It is definitely the best S/T tech maybe not overall, Kakashi said himself it was better than FTG on seeing it once. Like Itachi said every technique has a weakness and of course this is no exception but it is still pretty OP. That being said, the 2nd apparently had some OP S/T techniques so it will be interesting to see how his compared to Tobi's

Well no, because Minato already said it surpassed both his and Tobirama's. Anyway, I know not of a technique which is better at attacking, defendin and being this practical in a battle.

 

[Οdin]

Who said it was faster? I never said so :| It is so blatently clear that Tobi's is better, as Minato has said himself. Can FTG lock people in another dimension, effectively sealing them away? No.

Only? he can also trap people in his dimension at will.
not requiring seals is a huge feat.
Show me where FTG is faster than Tobi's S/T WITHOUT it being a trick that Minato used. Didn't think so.

This went from Tobi's S/T being the best... to Tobi's S/T vs. FTG. :sy:

Tobi's S/T is countered with speed. Simple as that.

I'm out.

 

[Hipster Madara]

I know that Tobi's S/T is more convenient, but what I'm trying to get across is that the said technique is not the best. If Tobi's S/T was the best technique, then he should have never been hit after Minato placed his marking on Tobi. Tobi's S/T has its flaws. Even Naruto was able to hit Tobi. Tobi's S/T is countered with speed. He can't activate it unless he knows what's coming.

Best does not mean that it has no flaws. I never said it was the best, im just stating it is not worse that FTG.
All jutsus have flaws.

 

[Xerilith]

The greatest weakness to this jutsu is its own strenght. Tobi thought he couldn't lose with it, which almost got him killed twice. Vs Minato and Konan.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

The greatest weakness to this jutsu is its own strenght. Tobi thought he couldn't lose with it, which almost got him killed twice. Vs Minato and Konan.

Konan had weeks of preperation, don't make me laugh. Minato beat Tobi with 2 moves, not one (FTG and Rasengan). Minato was what made FTG effective, not the jutsu as such. No other single technique is as versatile or brilliant as Tobi's.

 

[Gooner4life]

Well no, because Minato already said it surpassed both his and Tobirama's. Anyway, I know not of a technique which is better at attacking, defendin and being this practical in a battle.

If that is the case, then it is the best S/T technique hands down and is probably the most versatile technique in the manga, but doesn't excel in certain areas like others do.

 

[Bogard]

Ok.

FTG never need seals. Where have you seen that? When Tobi almost warped him, have you seen him use seals?

 

[Hipster Madara]

FTG never need seals. Where have you seen that? When Tobi almost warped him, have you seen him use seals?

He teleported to a kunai with seals on it.
It needs seals.

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[TouchMyMangos]

If that is the case, then it is the best S/T technique hands down and is probably the most versatile technique in the manga, but doesn't excel in certain areas like others do.

Yes but in terms of versatility it trumps all. Thus, it is the best move.

FTG never need seals. Where have you seen that? When Tobi almost warped him, have you seen him use seals?

Shows what you know i'm afraid.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Tobi's technique is very good but also very dangerous to the user, facing a fast and intelligent opponent will counter this technique. Konan showed how vulnerable it is to use the technique as you can't escape unless you are totally free from all dangers. Because Tobi has to make his body tangible to warp, it means he can easily be hit (don't forget that it takes longer to warp himself away). So if Tobi ever tries to escape all you have to do is hit him with a physical jutsu and he will be forced to become intangible (meaning he can't warp himself away).

I think FTG has less drawbacks than Tobi's S/T technique but overall I think Tobi's jutsu is the more convenient as he can seemingly go anywhere and trap people in that pocket dimenssion of his.

However the jutsu is pretty haxx, I don't like the way Kishi has approached this jutsu because it isn't fully explained how it works. I mean how can Tobi just teleport to any location he's never been before. For instance how was he able to find Naruto in the snow town while he was staying at that inn? Or how he saved Sasuke from Onoki's dust jutsu (I think Kishi messed up with that one). My point is how does he know where everything is without ever being there before or using some kind of seal to get there. At least FTG is slightly more realistic.

 

[OWanime]

pretty good but no the best because if you have an ftg out of the dimension than you can transport out and plus every jutsu has a weakness like itachi said b4

 

[Hipster Madara]

Tobi's technique is very good but also very dangerous to the user, facing a fast and intelligent opponent will counter this technique. Konan showed how vulnerable it is to use the technique as you can't escape unless you are totally free from all dangers. Because Tobi has to make his body tangible to warp, it means he can easily be hit (don't forget that it takes longer to warp himself away). So if Tobi ever tries to escape all you have to do is hit him with a physical jutsu and he will be forced to become intangible (meaning he can't warp himself away).

I think FTG has less drawbacks than Tobi's S/T technique but overall I think Tobi's jutsu is the more convenient as he can seemingly go anywhere and trap people in that pocket dimenssion of his.

However the jutsu is pretty haxx, I don't like the way Kishi has approached this jutsu because it isn't fully explained how it works. I mean how can Tobi just teleport to any location he's never been before. For instance how was he able to find Naruto in the snow town while he was staying at that inn? Or how he saved Sasuke from Onoki's dust jutsu (I think Kishi messed up with that one). My point is how does he know where everything is without ever being there before or using some kind of seal to get there. At least FTG is slightly more realistic.

I agree with everything except that FTG is better.

pretty good but no the best because if you have an ftg out of the dimension than you can transport out and plus every jutsu has a weakness like itachi said b4

What?

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Tobi's technique is very good but also very dangerous to the user, facing a fast and intelligent opponent will counter this technique. Konan showed how vulnerable it is to use the technique as you can't escape unless you are totally free from all dangers. Because Tobi has to make his body tangible to warp, it means he can easily be hit (don't forget that it takes longer to warp himself away). So if Tobi ever tries to escape all you have to do is hit him with a physical jutsu and he will be forced to become intangible (meaning he can't warp himself away).

I think FTG has less drawbacks than Tobi's S/T technique but overall I think Tobi's jutsu is the more convenient as he can seemingly go anywhere and trap people in that pocket dimenssion of his.

However the jutsu is pretty haxx, I don't like the way Kishi has approached this jutsu because it isn't fully explained how it works. I mean how can Tobi just teleport to any location he's never been before. For instance how was he able to find Naruto in the snow town while he was staying at that inn? Or how he saved Sasuke from Onoki's dust jutsu (I think Kishi messed up with that one). My point is how does he know where everything is without ever being there before or using some kind of seal to get there. At least FTG is slightly more realistic.

It's easily the greatest spacetime jutsu we've seen and probably the greatest defensive jutsu in the Narutoverse. It makes Tobi REALLY hard to kill. Even if the battle doesn't go his way all he has to do is teleport away and there's nothing you can do.

pretty good but no the best because if you have an ftg out of the dimension than you can transport out and plus every jutsu has a weakness like itachi said b4

If every jutsu has a weakness then every other jutsu has a weakness aswell :| no point in saying that as an argument.

 

[hearteaterx]

He got caught off guard.
Plus that was complete plot.... for dramatic effect.

Yes, everything contained in the manga is complete plot... want a cookie? ..lul, keeding.

Tobi's jutsu is pretty good, but if it were the greatest technique in the manga Tobi wouldn't be on a quest to become stronger using the tailed beasts. Minato defeated Tobi's technique, so what compelled the OP to make this thread?

As for your above post claiming it's the greatest defensive jutsu; perfect susano'o is better.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I agree with everything except that FTG is better.


What?

I never said FTG was better, I said FTG has less drawbacks.

I even said Tobi's jutsu is more convenient.

 

[Hipster Madara]

I never said FTG was better, I said FTG has less drawbacks.

I even said Tobi's jutsu is more convenient.

FTG has more drawbacks.

Tobi's technique is very good but also very dangerous to the user, facing a fast and intelligent opponent will counter this technique. Konan showed how vulnerable it is to use the technique as you can't escape unless you are totally free from all dangers. Because Tobi has to make his body tangible to warp, it means he can easily be hit (don't forget that it takes longer to warp himself away). So if Tobi ever tries to escape all you have to do is hit him with a physical jutsu and he will be forced to become intangible (meaning he can't warp himself away).

Is this not true for FTG as well?
Minato is always tangible.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Yes, everything contained in the manga is complete plot... want a cookie? ..lul, keeding.

Tobi's jutsu is pretty good, but if it were the greatest technique in the manga Tobi wouldn't be on a quest to become stronger using the tailed beasts. Minato defeated Tobi's technique, so what compelled the OP to make this thread?

As for your above post claiming it's the greatest defensive jutsu; perfect susano'o is better.

Perfect Susanoo? You mean the one which uses up mammoths amount of chakra, can be hit or was seemingly defeated by Hashirama? Ok.

 

[hearteaterx]

Perfect Susanoo? You mean the one which uses up mammoths amount of chakra, can be hit or was seemingly defeated by Hashirama? Ok.

Until we see someone break through the perfect susano'o, that has tailed beast level chakra, you are just speculating that Hashirama broke through it... from what we saw, Itachi's susano'o blocked kirin. Kirin is possibly in the top 5 jutsu shown in the manga, transcending normal chakra and using nature energy. It's no stretch of the imagination to realize nothing can break perfect susano'o.

Sure, Tobi can dodge, but so can Sakura. Sakura isn't a good defensive ninja, she just doesn't let herself get it. There's a subtle difference between Tobi's 'defence' and susano'o.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Until we see someone break through the perfect susano'o, that has tailed beast level chakra, you are just speculating that Hashirama broke through it... from what we saw, Itachi's susano'o blocked kirin. Kirin is possibly in the top 5 jutsu shown in the manga, transcending normal chakra and using nature energy. It's no stretch of the imagination to realize nothing can break perfect susano'o.

Sure, Tobi can dodge, but so can Sakura. Sakura isn't a good defensive ninja, she just doesn't let herself get it. There's a subtle difference between Tobi's 'defence' and susano'o.

Despite the fact Tobi could just warp in there and kidnap the user?

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The technique is both offensive and defensive, tricky and practical in battle.

Pretty sure Naruto's bijuu Dama would blast a hole right through it.

P.S. I never said Hashirama broke through, just that he defeated the 'Ultimate defense'.

 

[Gold Lightning]

It's easily the greatest spacetime jutsu we've seen and probably the greatest defensive jutsu in the Narutoverse. It makes Tobi REALLY hard to kill. Even if the battle doesn't go his way all he has to do is teleport away and there's nothing you can do.

But if you can figure out the jutsu then the user is in trouble. As long as you keep attacking Tobi there is no way he can escape, whether it be long range or short range jutsu. Remember you need to be tangible to warp yourself and that is a gigantic advantage. A fast ninja is Tobi's worst opponent in terms of using his S/T jutsu. He's better of staying intangible than trying to warp (although he can only maintain that for 5 mins I think).

FTG has more drawbacks.

Is this not true for FTG as well?
Minato is always tangible.

Even though Minato is intangible he can teleport at anytime. If you plant hundreds of paper bombs on Minato's body he can FTG out of it and escape to another location. If you do that to Tobi then all he can do is become intagible and let the bombs phase through him because if he tries to warp he will get himself blow up. That's why I believe Tobi's S/T jutsu has more drawbacks. Also Minato's jutsu is faster because it is instant, Tobi's jutsu takes time to warp his body.

However it is still the better jutsu due to the fact that Tobi can go anywhere as well as make his body Intangible, meaning he can escape through walls and into the ground etc.