Madara Can't Use Motokun on Naruto Or Karuma

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The reason you fail is because Zetsu is not able to control Mokuton properly - Madara on the other hand is the second best at controlling it after the Shodaime U_U

So madara having Mokuton for a few days makes him an expert at controlling Mokuton. I see your logic there

 

[Maunten]

So madara having Mokuton for a few days makes him an expert at controlling Mokuton. I see your logic there

He has not even had it for a day, lol.

 

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He has not even had it for a day, lol.

True true

 

[iMicLykTyson]

In the Op u said that Madara does not know that the kyubii is yang chakra only i don't understand

Secondly the reason Danzou turned into a partial tree was because he could not control hashi's DNA due to his near death situation. He could not even fully control it to begin with

Thridly the yang chakra if anything should enhance the mokuton tech. Using Zetsu as an example in the Op is not really a good example seeing as he is basically a plant :shrug:

Fourthly I don't think Madara will turn onto a tree because having hashi's DNA does not equal having yang chakra. If u have hashi's DNA it enables you to use yang release (mokuton techniques) or it grants u the chakra reserves needed to use certain jutsus. It does not mean having the DNA and coming close to any yang related tech or creature will make u a tree

Lastly i agree That the mokuton may spiral out of control making it useless (enhance the tech to the point at which it can't be controlled) but I dis agree with the fact that Madara becomes a tree

 

[ChidoriChimp]

not so sure.

 

[Maunten]

In the Op u said that Madara does not know that the kyubii is yang chakra only i don't understand

Secondly the reason Danzou turned into a partial tree was because he could not control hashi's DNA due to his near death situation. He could not even fully control it to begin with

Thridly the yang chakra if anything should enhance the mokuton tech. Using Zetsu as an example in the Op is not really a good example seeing as he is basically a plant :shrug:

Fourthly I don't think Madara will turn onto a tree because having hashi's DNA does not equal having yang chakra. If u have hashi's DNA it enables you to use yang release (mokuton techniques) or it grants u the chakra reserves needed to use certain jutsus. It does not mean having the DNA and coming close to any yang related tech or creature will make u a tree

Lastly i agree That the mokuton may spiral out of control making it useless (enhance the tech to the point at which it can't be controlled) but I dis agree with the fact that Madara becomes a tree

1. Before Madara died Karuma was perfect balance yinyang chakra, much after after Madara's death Minato sealed the yin part forever in the belly of death.

2. Danzo was near death yes, but the Zetsu were not, neither was Yamato, even if Danzo was not low on chakra if he got near Karuma's large amounts of yang chakra he would have transformed into a tree anyway.

It's not about the shino being near death, but about the yang chakra overwhelming the users own chakra.

3."Due to having Kurama's Yang chakra in this form, Wood Release techniques will react to the chakra's life-giving properties and mature into full-grown trees within a matter of seconds, either by contact or close range."

Naruto wikia ^^^^, it does not enhance the tech but causes the wood to grow into full matured trees within a matter of seconds, this is against the will of the motukon user.

4.Hashi could use yang release because he had yang nature chakra, also Hashi's KG has been implanted into Madara.

Even if Madara won't turn into a tree just from being near naruto (though I think he will as he does have yang chakra driven motukon within him), he still can't use motukon techs on Naruto, as the tittle states.

5. If Madara uses motukon against Naruto with the amount of yang chakra that Naruto has the motukon will consume Madara, it will not just spiral outwards because Madara is the source of the motokuns yang release and Karuma's chakra is just driving it.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

1. Before Madara died Karuma was perfect balance yinyang chakra, much after after Madara's death Minato sealed the yin part forever in the belly of death.

2. Danzo was near death yes, but the Zetsu were not, neither was Yamato, even if Danzo was not low on chakra if he got near Karuma's large amounts of yang chakra he would have transformed into a tree anyway.

It's not about the shino being near death, but about the yang chakra overwhelming the users own chakra.

3."Due to having Kurama's Yang chakra in this form, Wood Release techniques will react to the chakra's life-giving properties and mature into full-grown trees within a matter of seconds, either by contact or close range."

Naruto wikia ^^^^, it does not enhance the tech but causes the wood to grow into full matured trees within a matter of seconds, this is against the will of the motukon user.

4.Hashi could use yang release because he had yang nature chakra, also Hashi's KG has been implanted into Madara.

Even if Madara won't turn into a tree just from being near naruto (though I think he will as he does have yang chakra driven motukon within him), he still can't use motukon techs on Naruto, as the tittle states.

5. If Madara uses motukon against Naruto with the amount of yang chakra that Naruto has the motukon will consume Madara, it will not just spiral outwards because Madara is the source of the motokuns yang release and Karuma's chakra is just driving it.

Read my last statement I said sure the mokuton would go out of control and would be useless I agreed with u but Madara is not becoming a tree the yang chakra only affected yamato's wood tech not yamato himself this is enough proof Madara will not become a tree if he is close to naruto

@ bold read the above statement

Lastly Zetsu as I said is basically a plant I don't think he is a good example.

 

[Maunten]

Read my last statement I said sure the mokuton would go out of control and would be useless I agreed with u but Madara is not becoming a tree the yang chakra only affected yamato's wood tech not yamato himself this is enough proof Madara will not become a tree if he is close to naruto

@ bold read the above statement

Lastly Zetsu as I said is basically a plant I don't think he is a good example.

Zetsu was made from Hashirama's cells using plant as a medium yes, but a plant is not a tree and grass is not wood.

Naruto does not turn everything that is alive into a tree, he does not trun grass into trees, he turned zetsu into a tree because of Hashirama's cells.

It's not about him being a plant, Danzo could not control the yang chakra because it was so great, which resulted in him being turned into a tree.

If the yang chakra that is already in madara is balanced, and Karuma's own yang chakra causes the yang chakra to be substantially more abundant the Motokun will overwhelm Madara, Madara will be affected because he has Hashi's cells within him, that means Yang chakra and Motokun.

The Motokun will get activated and overwhelm.

Why didn't this happen to Yamato?

1.Naruto had just started to master perfect Nin-Jin mode, hence less yang chakra release.

Yamato's chakra reserves are huge enough to power the zetsu army, so a very large amount would be needed and naruto was not tapping into this during his interactions with Yamato.

2. Yamato is different, he was injected with Hashirama's DNA shortly after his birth, all of the other subjects died except for Yamato.

From there on the way that Orochimaru has been trying to attain the power of the 1st has been different, he has been fusing Hashirama's cells with the subjects as opposed to injecting the DNA with into the body of the subject with the Hope that it would be accepted.

 

[Prime Rib]

close this thread.

 

[Maunten]

close this thread.

Lol why? Is close the same as locking or does the thread get destroyed?

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Zetsu was made from Hashirama's cells using plant as a medium yes, but a plant is not a tree and grass is not wood.

Naruto does not turn everything that is alive into a tree, he does not trun grass into trees, he turned zetsu into a tree because of Hashirama's cells.

It's not about him being a plant, Danzo could not control the yang chakra because it was so great, which resulted in him being turned into a tree.

If the yang chakra that is already in madara is balanced, and Karuma's own yang chakra causes the yang chakra to be substantially more abundant the Motokun will overwhelm Madara, Madara will be affected because he has Hashi's cells within him, that means Yang chakra and Motokun.

The Motokun will get activated and overwhelm.

Why didn't this happen to Yamato?

1.Naruto had just started to master perfect Nin-Jin mode, hence less yang chakra release.

Yamato's chakra reserves are huge enough to power the zetsu army, so a very large amount would be needed and naruto was not tapping into this during his interactions with Yamato.

2. Yamato is different, he was injected with Hashirama's DNA shortly after his birth, all of the other subjects died except for Yamato.

From there on the way that Orochimaru has been trying to attain the power of the 1st has been different, he has been fusing Hashirama's cells with the subjects as opposed to injecting the DNA with into the body of the subject with the Hope that it would be accepted.

How is Yamato different ? They both have hashi's cells Nuff said Yamato has huge chakra reserves as oppose to an Madara with hashi's cell not to talk of him been edo ? Yamato is pure proof that he won't become a tree. Tobi also had hashi's cells why has he not become a tree ? And he came face to naruto and by face to face i mean their forehead were touching each other lol yet Tobi didn't become a tree.

Zetsu evolved from a plant to a tree lol

Danzou had control over it at the beginning in the Danzou vs sasuke fight it was due to his near death situation even Tobi even said so. Even after he cut of his arm that became a tree he still had some of the DNA left inside him. :ice:
Hashi's cells is not mokuton It enables u to use it cuz if hashi's cell was mokuton Tobi should be able to use mokuton at his free will, so should Danzou
Explain more as to how yang chakra affects hashi's cells. Yang chakra only matters when using the yang release for mokuton or whatever technique.

At bold it is not because he could not control yang chakra it was because hasi's cells were dominating his that is why he could not control it.

 

[Maunten]

How is Yamato different ? They both have hashi's cells Nuff said Yamato has huge chakra reserves as oppose to an Madara with hashi's cell not to talk of him been edo ? Yamato is pure proof that he won't become a tree. Tobi also had hashi's cells why has he not become a tree ? And he came face to naruto and by face to face i mean their forehead were touching each other lol yet Tobi didn't become a tree.

Zetsu evolved from a plant to a tree lol

Danzou had control over it at the beginning in the Danzou vs sasuke fight it was due to his near death situation even Tobi even said so. Even after he cut of his arm that became a tree he still had some of the DNA left inside him. :ice:
Hashi's cells is not mokuton It enables u to use it cuz if hashi's cell was mokuton Tobi should be able to use mokuton at his free will, so should Danzou
Explain more as to how yang chakra affects hashi's cells. Yang chakra only matters when using the yang release for mokuton or whatever technique.

At bold it is not because he could not control yang chakra it was because hasi's cells were dominating his that is why he could not control it.

Madara has hashi's cells Yamato had his DNA it is different, one changes the way the body works, the other simply implants powers.

It's like comparing branch implantation to cross breeding the tree.

If you have a stimulant that causes the implanted branch to use up all of the resources of the host tree and completely consume that tree, the same stimulant will not have the same effect on a tree that has actually been crossbred.

We know that Madara has Hashi's cells because DNA implanting caused the subjects to die or responde negatively, so oro would not do it again, cell implanting did not have this effect to such a great extent so he would stick with that.

Kabuto was his student and would use the same methods.


Also look at his body he has hashi's face on it, that is not DNA it is Hashi grown on his body.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

About Yamato not been the same as Madara I give u a point but
I used Tobi as an example why didn't he become a tree ?
Yang only matters when using the yang release for mokuton

And plot wise do u really think.
naruto vs Madara ,
suddenly Madara becomes a tree :shrug:

 

[Maunten]

About Yamato not been the same as Madara I give u a point but
I used Tobi as an example why didn't he become a tree ?
Yang only matters when using the yang release for mokuton

And plot wise do u really think.
naruto vs Madara ,
suddenly Madara becomes a tree :shrug:

Lol well ok, but I do believe there will be some kind of wood reaction (that's what she said). Which will make madara keep his distance, maybe battling naruto with PS.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Lol well ok, but I do believe there will be some kind of wood reaction (that's what she said). Which will make madara keep his distance, maybe battling naruto with PS.

Lol ur right about what u said the only thing I just saw was Madara becoming a tree + rep

 

[Maunten]

Lol ur right about what u said the only thing I just saw was Madara becoming a tree + rep

Thanks xd.