Madara Can't Use Motokun on Naruto Or Karuma

[Maunten]

Naruto has Yang Release Karuma within him, we saw what happened to the zetsu when they used wood release techs.

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Since Yang release promotes wood techs it causes life using techs (motukon) to become supercharged, spread to and take over the user.

When the life force driving motukon overwhelms the user they become they become part of it, they become a tree.

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Yamato's Motukon is also affected by it, there is no direct contact though so this may have lowered the degree of change

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This means that madara can't use motukon on naruto as the karuma within him is a huge amount of pure yang chakra, this is a huge cut from madara's arsenal.

Madara does not know that karuma is yang release only as he was not alive when minato sealed the yin part of karuma away.

He probably does not know that he cannot use wood release to suppress karuma as hashirama did to the yinyang karuma as well as other yinyang tailed beasts.

I believe that madara may get turned into a tree by using motukon on naruto.


ALSO YAMATO HAS ONLY USED MOTUKON ON CLOAK NARUTO, NOT ACCESSING KARUMA FULLY.

In the Op u said that Madara does not know that the kyubii is yang chakra only i don't understand

Secondly the reason Danzou turned into a partial tree was because he could not control hashi's DNA due to his near death situation. He could not even fully control it to begin with

Thridly the yang chakra if anything should enhance the mokuton tech. Using Zetsu as an example in the Op is not really a good example seeing as he is basically a plant :shrug:

Fourthly I don't think Madara will turn onto a tree because having hashi's DNA does not equal having yang chakra. If u have hashi's DNA it enables you to use yang release (mokuton techniques) or it grants u the chakra reserves needed to use certain jutsus. It does not mean having the DNA and coming close to any yang related tech or creature will make u a tree

Lastly i agree That the mokuton may spiral out of control making it useless (enhance the tech to the point at which it can't be controlled) but I dis agree with the fact that Madara becomes a tree

1. Before Madara died Karuma was perfect balance yinyang chakra, much after after Madara's death Minato sealed the yin part forever in the belly of death.

2. Danzo was near death yes, but the Zetsu were not, neither was Yamato, even if Danzo was not low on chakra if he got near Karuma's large amounts of yang chakra he would have transformed into a tree anyway.

It's not about the shino being near death, but about the yang chakra overwhelming the users own chakra.

3."Due to having Kurama's Yang chakra in this form, Wood Release techniques will react to the chakra's life-giving properties and mature into full-grown trees within a matter of seconds, either by contact or close range."

Naruto wikia ^^^^, it does not enhance the tech but causes the wood to grow into full matured trees within a matter of seconds, this is against the will of the motukon user.

4.Hashi could use yang release because he had yang nature chakra, also Hashi's KG has been implanted into Madara.

Even if Madara won't turn into a tree just from being near naruto (though I think he will as he does have yang chakra driven motukon within him), he still can't use motukon techs on Naruto, as the tittle states.

5. If Madara uses motukon against Naruto with the amount of yang chakra that Naruto has the motukon will consume Madara, it will not just spiral outwards because Madara is the source of the motokuns yang release and Karuma's chakra is just driving it.

Madara coming into direct contact could very well forcefully activated motukon and overwhelm him.​

Why didn't this happen to Yamato?

1.Naruto had just started to master perfect Nin-Jin mode, hence less yang chakra release.

Yamato's chakra reserves are huge enough to power the zetsu army, so a very large amount would be needed and naruto was not tapping into this during his interactions with Yamato.

2. Yamato is different, he was injected with Hashirama's DNA shortly after his birth, all of the other subjects died except for Yamato.

From there on the way that Orochimaru has been trying to attain the power of the 1st has been different, he has been fusing Hashirama's cells with the subjects as opposed to injecting the DNA with into the body of the subject with the Hope that it would be accepted.

madara can't die, and sealing him would probably be impossible because of the size and power of his chakra, this might be how he is defeated.

The Madara Tree perhaps.



One more point, shouldn't it be near impossible for naruto to die, since he has an enormous source of life within him? I think so yes...... when ever he went into cloak mode he healed completely.

 

[The Darkness]

Didnt prove anything

 

[TobisPawn]

The trees would probably spiral out of Madara's control or something. I don't know. He himself wouldn't become a tree though.

 

[-Logic-]

The reason you fail is because Zetsu is not able to control Mokuton properly - Madara on the other hand is the second best at controlling it after the Shodaime U_U

 

[Prime Rib]

madara wood release is stronger than zetsu and he has great mastery over it, on a scale of hashirama

 

[TheSages456]

white zetsu is grown from hashiramas cells. thats why that happened. that wont happen just from having hashiramas cells implanted. by this logic tobi wouldve been turned into a tree the moment he went into close range of naruto. if anything theoretically if madara used mokuton against kcm naruto then the mokuton would become stronger due to naruto giving off alot of yang energy.

 

[Ryuu..]

Wait. Madara has Hashirama's mokuton, no? It has both Yin and Yang, hence why it grows trees; it grows life. Yamato's lacked the Yang Chakra, so it is just wood. Hence why it grew the trees (it grew the 'life') when Naruto was near it in KM. So this effect would increase the trees of Madara's Mokuton I believe.

Thoughts?

 

[Shindo]

Haha the Madara tree.
OT: It might happen but i doubt he would turn into a tree because unlike Danzo, Madara has a lot of chakra and can be in control of it.​

 

[Mugen Tsukyomi]

Very nice and we'll thought of theory. I hope I do belive that the same thing that happened to danzo could happen to madara if he ever runs low on chakra

 

[Maunten]

The reason you fail is because Zetsu is not able to control Mokuton properly - Madara on the other hand is the second best at controlling it after the Shodaime U_U

It is not madara's own DNA that he is using it is hashi's, yes madara is the second best at using motokun but you use this fact to imply that madara's control is absolute.

Before madara the zetsu were the third best, and they were still overwhelmed.

karuma's life source chakra is huge and the motokun goes out of control too quickly for some kind of action to stop it.

Karauma's life force may be large enough to even overwhelm hashirama, hashi was only able to use motokun on karuma because back then karuma was balanced yinyang chakra.

 

[TheSages456]

Wait. Madara has Hashirama's mokuton, no? It has both Yin and Yang, hence why it grows trees; it grows life. Yamato's lacked the Yang Chakra, so it is just wood. Hence why it grew the trees (it grew the 'life') when Naruto was near it in KM. So this effect would increase the trees of Madara's Mokuton I believe.

Thoughts?

wrong. yamato can make trees aswell. when you implant hashiramas cells, you automatically gain a strong lifeforce from his cells. hashiramas cells have a huge lifeforce.

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[Ryuu..]

wrong. yamato can make trees aswell. when you implant hashiramas cells, you automatically gain a strong lifeforce from his cells. hashiramas cells have a huge lifeforce.

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I see. But he chooses to fight with mainly wood, not trees, which made that particular scenario true.

 

[Thane]

A Madara tree eh?

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Mother of God...that explains it all...

 

[Multiply]

Naruto has Yang Release Karuma within him, we saw what happened to the zetsu when they used wood release techs.

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Since Yang release promotes wood techs it causes life using techs (motukon) to become supercharged, spread to and take over the user.

When the life force driving motukon overwhelms the user they become they become part of it, they become a tree.

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This means that madara can't use motukon on naruto as the karuma within him is a huge amount of pure yang chakra, this is a huge cut from madara's arsenal.

Madara does not know that karuma is yang release only as he was not alive when minato sealed the yin part of karuma away.

He probably does not know that he cannot use wood release to suppress karuma as hashirama did to the yinyang karuma as well as other yinyang tailed beasts.

I believe that madara may get turned into a tree by using motukon on naruto.

madara can't die, and sealing him would probably be impossible because of the size and power of his chakra, this might be how he is defeated.

The Madara Tree perhaps.



One more point, shouldn't it be near impossible for naruto to die, since he has an enormous source of life within him? I think so yes...... when ever he went into cloak mode he healed completely.

Good theory +rep

 

[mabanae]

it only effects moukton when it is pure and not mixed up with evil or hatred .
as naruto seprated it .
we seen how yamato kept naruto in kyubi form down to pull the chakra away , that didnt effect moukton !

 

[Maunten]

white zetsu is grown from hashiramas cells. thats why that happened. that wont happen just from having hashiramas cells implanted. by this logic tobi wouldve been turned into a tree the moment he went into close range of naruto. if anything theoretically if madara used mokuton against kcm naruto then the mokuton would become stronger due to naruto giving off alot of yang energy.

Not all the zetsu were turned into trees though. So my logic is not wrong here.

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They had to be reeeeealy close. and be held by his chakra arms.

Also tobi is not completely zetsu.

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

No

 

[Maunten]

it only effects moukton when it is pure and not mixed up with evil or hatred .
as naruto seprated it .
we seen how yamato kept naruto in kyubi form down to pull the chakra away , that didnt effect moukton !

Hmm this is true but naruto was only in cloak form then, naruto hass almost all of karuma being used now.

 

[TheSages456]

Not all the zetsu were turned into trees though. So my logic is not wrong here.

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They had to be reeeeealy close. and be held by his chakra arms.

then why hasnt tobi been turned into a tree? why didnt this happen when he was about to warp naruto?

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Yet this didn't happen to yamato?