the uchiha would win the coup d'etat easily (read first)

[Airjustu]

@Exaar good points

 

[Netsui]

Danzo did have a Sharingan though. By that time he already had Shisui's Sharingan. So Danzo wouldn't have been pointless. We don't know if he had Hashirama's DNA back then, but we do know he still could have used KA once.

IMO I think the Uchiha's would still get crushed, because other villages (like the Cloud village), would have attacked.

 

[nickuchiha25]

lol the only person that would be a treat is itachi for all we know the other uchiha members suck and are low-tier ninjas and the leaf could have took them down easy don't be such an itachi fanboy

I am a fanboy but you are a hater. Uchiha was accepted to be the most powerful clan of the leaf

 

[derpderp]

i agree with you exaar

 

[nickuchiha25]

Other villages wouldn't attack for one reason. The 3rd war had taken place a few years ago and all countries were exhausted. And I am sure the Uchiha would have taken this possibility into account

 

[Airjustu]

I am a fanboy but you are a hater. Uchiha was accepted to be the most powerful clan of the leaf

They are strong but a clan could not take out a whole village itachi probably wouldn't have helped and shishi was already dead and not every person in the uchiha clan fought i mean they would be destroyed easily especially if the 3rd hokage joined in put your fanboyism aside and just admit that they would get their butts whipped

 

[Exaar]

Other villages wouldn't attack for one reason. The 3rd war had taken place a few years ago and all countries were exhausted. And I am sure the Uchiha would have taken this possibility into account

They would of attacked, the uchha would be far more exhausted then the other village and weaker in terms of power.

Every village would jump at the chance to get their hands on the leafs most powerful Kg.
Or just kill them because they might pose a threat in the future.

 

[Airjustu]

They would of attacked, the uchha would be far more exhausted then the other village and weaker in terms of power.

Every village would jump at the chance to get their hands on the leafs most powerful Kg.
Or just kill them because they might pose a threat in the future.

Ya i could see the Raikage wanting a sharingan

 

[nickuchiha25]

Exaar has good points but the Uchiha could still use the civilians with some awesome talk no jutsu using many past facts such as " the current hokage couldn't protect you from the kyuubi 16 years ago, these gonverments have allowed these wars to happen while we protected u all these years etc."

 

[The Destroyer]

Back then No uchiha was as strong as Hiruzen and you forget about monkey king enma.
And above Hiruzen can use demon dead seal if needed.
Danzo and root beat Shisui. Plus Guy(8th gates) will be Pain for All uchiha.
You also forgot Hinata's dad, the brain of shikaku and kakashi was way better than most of the fodder Uchiha.
And even if you think that uchiha could have won.
Then just to tell you after that they still would have been killed by Jiraiya anyways.

 

[Exaar]

Exaar has good points but the Uchiha could still use the civilians with some awesome talk no jutsu using many past facts such as " the current hokage couldn't protect you from the kyuubi 16 years ago, these gonverments have allowed these wars to happen while we protected u all these years etc."

Civilians wouldn't be able to do much, They side with the uchiha they will be taken down by leaf shinobi for betraying the leaf.

Also The leaf could also blame the uchiha for Causing the kyuubi's attack, Since the only way to controll it is Via the sharingan, Since Hashirama is dead.
The uchiha did nothing to stop the Kyuubi's attack, they didn't even take part in defending the leaf.

 

[xxSAGExx]

u cant say uchiha would win easily just because they have the sharingan does not make them invincible and they can only copy the jutsu if they have the right qualities such as to be able to copy water techs u have to be able to use water nature and so on

You're wrong, it's any none bloodline jutsut. They can copy any element jutsus, Kakashi has shown 4 differet elements and its extremely rare to see someone who has 3 elements. Kakashi (with sharingan) use Fire, water, earth and lightning (only one confirmed as his element). Kakashi just makes full use out of the copying ability while many do not.

after re-reading the last chapters i realized that danzo was kinda talking big like:
"we ll have to take drastic measures" or "the clan will be annihilated" and i am like "does he believe what he is saying?"

the uchiha could easily win the civil war if that happened for the following reasons:

inability to use jichuriki and tailed beasts
the village had only naruto as a jinchuriki who couldnt fight and extracting the kyuubi would be something completely stupid since they didnt have mokuton and the uchiha had the sharingan

not enough kekkei genkai users
supposedly the village creates an army. 75% would be normal jonin and only 25% would be kekkei genkai users. the uchiha can copy any jutsu that is not kekkei genkai so they have the upper hand against this 75%

civillians would side the uchiha
the uchiha clan had been the police force that ensured the safety of many people for years and so they would like to support them in a way. dont forget that the uchiha massacre had always been treated like a tragedy and that many people considered itachi konoha's most evil personality

shisui and itachi vs hiruzen
the leading force of the army would be the 3rd hokage hiruzen sarutobi. we know from his battle against the 2nd and 1st hokage that genjutsu are his greatest weaknes. shisui and itachi were both mangekyou sharingan users and they could easily create a similar genjutsu that blinds the target. although i believe he could have killed them with high difficulty if they both cooporated they could win.

danzo was useless back then
no uchiha massacre.no sharingan.no izanagi.
danzo is just an average jonin without all these sharingan and his futon is useless before uchiha's katon

black ops openings
itachi was the leader of black ops so he knew all their tactics and could easily find openings and create a good strategy against them. he could also be a double spy from the uchiha's side and say something like "i ll kill them" and then prepare a surprise attack along with the rest uchiha

izanagi
uchiha would definately use izanagi in these situations and as we all know this jutsu is trully op.

the sanin were away back then
all of them had already left the village back then as the uchiha massacre took place after the 3rd shinobi war. tsunade was away at some random casino, jiraiya was "researching" new material and orochimaru had already left the village.

and that was about it. so what do u think?

You do know that Itachi was 13 at this time and was at jounin level, he wouldn't have his full Sasunoo and he got his weapons at a later time. Seeing as Danzo took 1 of Shisui's eyes that means he has at least that plus we don't know if Danzo was infused with Hashirama's DNA yet. I'm 95% sure he was since it was Orochimaru who did the operation and he already left the village. Next you need to remember that it was stated that Sharingan is rare even in the uchiha clan, not everyone awakened it so their power wasn't that great.

Also you unless you are as skilled as Madara or Tobi with the sharingan you need the MS (as the Tablet stated) to control a Tailed beast. Only Madara and Tobi have shown that they could control Kurama with the 3 tomoe sharingan. Also you are mistaking, Hiruzen weakness wasn't genjutsus. He was called the professor or god of shinobis because of his extent knowledge on jutsus and knowing over 1000. If you reread that fight then you'll see that Hiruzen knew he couldn't see or hear but he used his sense of smell(shows sniff words) to detect Hashirama and Tobirama.

Only Itachi and Shisui stand a chance but since Shisui only have 1 eye, he could only use the jutsu that eye have so once he use KA he would have to wait 10 years before he's able to re-use it. Danzo has Hashirama's DNA to shorten the re-use time to hour(s) or a day. The leaf still had Shikaku on there side and his genius is what would help make effective strategies. Also the uchiha's power in the village was more like 15-20% seeing how not everyone had the sharingan and no one were as strong or stronger than Shisui or itachi.

Kakashi having the sharingan plus his skills would able him to fight on par with many jounin uchihas. there's also the Hyuuga clan, nara clan, shino's clan, choji's clan, ino's clan, and kiba's clan. Plus seeing how it would have been a civil war, Jiraiya would have heard about it just like other villiages and would have went back to help. Jiraiya was the only Sanin who still actually care about the village back then, Tsunade didn't since she lost her brother and Dan. Jiraiya would destroy itachi back then seeing how Itachi said (at 18-19) that Kisame and him would both die (with jiraiya) if they fought. Other villages attacking would be the end of both sides

 

[Maunten]

Uchiha would have been wiped out, Naara, Hyuga, Sarutobi, Yama, Akimachi, Aburame.

Then we have the fact that the leaf has more legends than the uchiha.

Jiraiya, Hurizen, Kakashi, Kuranai, Guy.

I mean seven gate's guy??

Toad Sage Jiraiya??

The Professor??

Genjutsu master even by uchiha standards, kurenai, capable of casting on multiple opponents??

Shikaku???

MORE???

Even if we cut out the sannin, the main clans of the leaf would overwhelm.

 

[Airjustu]

lol you lose this discussion

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

a war without shishui and itachi
and uchihas will win you say?
smh

 

[NaruGoku]

after re-reading the last chapters i realized that danzo was kinda talking big like:
"we ll have to take drastic measures" or "the clan will be annihilated" and i am like "does he believe what he is saying?"

the uchiha could easily win the civil war if that happened for the following reasons:

inability to use jichuriki and tailed beasts
the village had only naruto as a jinchuriki who couldnt fight and extracting the kyuubi would be something completely stupid since they didnt have mokuton and the uchiha had the sharingan

not enough kekkei genkai users
supposedly the village creates an army. 75% would be normal jonin and only 25% would be kekkei genkai users. the uchiha can copy any jutsu that is not kekkei genkai so they have the upper hand against this 75%

civillians would side the uchiha
the uchiha clan had been the police force that ensured the safety of many people for years and so they would like to support them in a way. dont forget that the uchiha massacre had always been treated like a tragedy and that many people considered itachi konoha's most evil personality

shisui and itachi vs hiruzen
the leading force of the army would be the 3rd hokage hiruzen sarutobi. we know from his battle against the 2nd and 1st hokage that genjutsu are his greatest weaknes. shisui and itachi were both mangekyou sharingan users and they could easily create a similar genjutsu that blinds the target. although i believe he could have killed them with high difficulty if they both cooporated they could win.

danzo was useless back then
no uchiha massacre.no sharingan.no izanagi.
danzo is just an average jonin without all these sharingan and his futon is useless before uchiha's katon

black ops openings
itachi was the leader of black ops so he knew all their tactics and could easily find openings and create a good strategy against them. he could also be a double spy from the uchiha's side and say something like "i ll kill them" and then prepare a surprise attack along with the rest uchiha

izanagi
uchiha would definately use izanagi in these situations and as we all know this jutsu is trully op.

the sanin were away back then
all of them had already left the village back then as the uchiha massacre took place after the 3rd shinobi war. tsunade was away at some random casino, jiraiya was "researching" new material and orochimaru had already left the village.

and that was about it. so what do u think?

sorry, i disagree. i'm going to go point by point off of what you said.
One: Inability to use Jinchuriki/Tailed Beasts Well, this was true for both sides. Neither could use jinchuriki or beasts to their advantage.

Two: Not enough Kekkei Genkai users well, first of all, if it was like you said and it was 25% KKG users, that'd actually be a lot and would be a huge advantage. even if it was less, it wouldn't matter. The Village is comprised of extremely powerful shinobis and we do not even know the extent of what their power was at that time. Also, for the Uchiha, we know there were very few who possessed MS. Most had regular sharingan, or no sharingan at all. a regular sharingan would not have given the villages many elite ninja to much trouble.

Three: Civilians would side with the Uchiha I highly doubt this. After all, the villagers want to have peace maintained, and they are not fools. therefore, they would know that such a coup, causing civil war, could lead to attacks from other villages. also, it would be Hiruzen and his men who evacuated the villages to safety. The villagers would side with the village, not the Uchiha who had a grudge against the village.

Four: Shisui and Itachi vs Hiruzen Sorry, but this would not have happened. they were BOTH against the Uchiha staging a coup d'etat. Also, Shisui had neither of his eyes. Danzo took one and he gave the other to Itachi, and this happened BEFORE the coup was planned to begin. As for Itachi, he would have either not fought or he would have taken Sasuke and run away from the village. he did not want to see a war happen and he was very against the Uchiha clan for plotting the coup

Five: Danzo was useless back then No, Danzo had always been considered an elite ninja and was an advisor to the Hokage even back then. Also, he already had Shisui's eye. so while he didn't have the other 10 sharingans on his arm, he still had one powerful Sharingan and was still a powerful guy

Six: Black Ops Openings It's true Itachi was a 'double agent' but again, he would not have fought in favor of the Uchiha's. He truly was against them and their plan for a coup.

Seven: Izanagi i highly doubt they'd have used Izanagi. First of all, they'd go blind in the eye which with they used Izanagi, which would leave them at a huge disadvantage for the rest of their life cuz they'd only have one sharingan. also, it's only useful for like 5 minutes. i really doubt they'd use izanagi cuz in going blind and having only one sharingan they'd lose a lot of power

Eight: Sannin were away back then Well, i'm not sure we can say for sure that Jiraiya wasn't there, but either way it wouldn't make a difference with the Sannin gone. the village had lots of elite shinobi and the village also knows the sharingan very well. not to mention, at that time, there were probably still Senju around who were the strongest clan (and even now there's probably still some left) as well as their successors who were also very powerful.

and yeah, Danzo was confident and did say the Uchiha clan would be annihilated either way, and i think he truly meant it.
so I believe the Uchiha would have lost the civil war and their coup would have failed. the only thing that would have saved them would have been an outside attack from Konoha's enemies--once they came in, the Uchiha would probably have allied with them. But, in a fight of the Village vs Uchihas, the Village would have won

 

[nickuchiha25]

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take a look at this

it says that there is no need to kill your best friend to awaken ms but to feel the pain of his loss. so i believe that many uchiha would awaken ms if they saw their comrades fall in battle...

The Mangekyō Sharingan is acquired through the trauma experienced from the death of the person closest to the Sharingan user. With the user normally having to witness or experience this first hand, Uchiha throughout history have killed the person closest to them in order to expedite this process,[4] though how Kakashi and Shisui gained their respective Mangekyō Sharingan has yet to be explained. To obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan, one must feel the emotion of losing a friend or family, as merely killing them or watching them die will not activate it.

 

[Sage6paths]

i dont think so because Itachi himself was able to wipe out the clan... not to mention the rest of the village shinobi (with Itachi) VS Uchiha clan.