Proof that Third Kazekage > Third Raikage (Actual Explanation inside)

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there is several points I would like to ask about.
1) how do you know what jistu the kazekage would use. We saw some techniques but controlling somebody's blood is not apart of his jitsu list and has no basis in the manga.
2) Fire jitsu would majorly affect his release because heat demagnetizes/melts metal
3) Lighting Jitsu would also greatly impact the magnet release because it can affect the positive and negative relationship of the electrons
4) You are imaginative when it comes to this theoretical battle but most of the kazekage's jitsu's and stragity is just theory and creative storytelling.
5) when would Garra battle the kazekage, he wasn't even born yet.
1. That is up to the people to decide and try to make a scenario.

2. Raikage's don't have fire jutsu

3. Yes it would afftect the magnet release plus Lightening > Metal.

4. And i would actually agree.. But in this imagination is all we have.

5. Gaara never battled the Kazekage (i agree with you)

Raikage> Kazekage
 

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The Third Raikage won't use his armour straight off the bat and the the Kazekage can kill him early on in the fight.
lol what?

raikage uses his raiton armor right off the bat, it forms the basis for his incredible speed and hell stab attack
he used it all the time he fought naruto

in fact his son A tried to finish off the battle with minato in one go by using his raiton armor

like father like son eh? :noc:
 

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they need to close this thread, but it is a awesome one, but theres nothing to argue about cause sasori beat the guy when he was 15, and got defeated by sakura and chiyo lol
 

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im sorry but i see no way that the 3rd raikage would beat the 3rd kazekage......
clearly you don't read manga or you just bring stupidity to yourself if you think 3raikage can't defeat the kazekage. Actually you know what everyone should just smack you and the person who made this thread everyone knows that kazekage will get demolished.
 

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The 3rd kazekage isn't nearly as powerful as you make him out to be- if any character's techniques are listed off they sound impressive, but you're exaggerating the 3rd kazekage's prowess.

Despite what you say, Sasori defeated the 3rd kazekage. Sasori deftly infiltrated the sand village, and killed the 3rd kazekage without alerting anybody. After all, Sasori only needed to cut his opponent to immobilize them with a fatal poison- we automatically know that the 3rd kazekage was defeated by puppets. Can you imagine the 3rd raikage even being cut by one of Sasori's puppets?

Aside from the scant information known about the 3rd kazekage during his lifetime, his kekkei genkai lived on in a human puppet. It's fair to say we know the limit of the 3rd kazekage's kekkei genkai based on this performance- though in life, the 3rd kazekage's iron sand would be much weaker than when he was a human puppet; the iron sand would no longer be soaked in Sasori's poison.

The iron sand was shown to be similar in principle to Gaara's absloute defence/sand manipulation, in that the 3rd kazekage was able to manipulate it and use it as a weapon, but it lacks Gaara's precision and defences. The iron sand took on the form of imprecise 3-d shapes, and was highly ineffective against a ninja even slightly skilled at evasion- Sakura dodged the iron sand flawlessly. When the iron sand was even close to hitting her, Sakura slapped aside the 3rd kazekage's iron sand and avoided harm; the only time Sakura was actually cut by the iron sand (the 3rd kazekage's ultimate iron sand jutsu) it was revealed right afterwards that she let herself be hit, in order to make Sasori think his poison took effect. Sakura had an antidote, and yes, she smashed a human puppet of the 3rd kazekage... but it's safe to say if she had been battling a living 3rd kazekage the result would be the same. With an attack speed that can't even match Sakura's, how could the 3rd kazekage expect to touch the lightning-fast raikage, even if we pretend the kazekage could hurt the raikage through his lightning armor?

BUT even with the knowledge that Sakura can defeat the 3rd kazekage, it's too early to assume he would lose to the 3rd raikage. Tsunade compared to Ay makes me think the 3rd raikage might not even be able to defeat Sakura... With that I find that there's nothing left to say about the 3rd kazekasge. The abilities you detailed about him controlling blood aren't canon, so they don't even apply. After scrutiny, my opinion is that the 3rd kazekage isn't very impressive.

I don't want to get into detail about the 3rd raikage because I didn't really like him, but his abilities are actually very powerful compared to the 3rd kazekage's.

-the 3rd raikage's lightning armor is unbelievably durable. The 8 tails strongest technique wasn't strong enough to pierce it (although the impact was enough to jar the raikage's arm, forcing him to stab himself). Not even Naruto's wind style: rasenshuriken was able to break through the lightning armor; wind style is supposed to have an advantage over lightning style, and rasenshuriken is the strongest wind style technique in the manga, yet the raikage's lightning armor shrugged it off. The only weapon able to pierce this armor is the raikage's own lightning style jutsu, but no ninja can replicate his jutsu to use it against him. The only way to defeat the 3rd raikage is to force him to hit himself.

-the 3rd raikage is fast. Much faster than Sakura, or Sasori's puppets. If the 3rd kazekage's techniques couldn't catch Sakura, then he'll never be fast enough to hit the raikage.

-the 3rd raikage's lightning-blade-ish jutsu is able to pierce any defence. The 3rd kazekage is dead if the raikage uses this jutsu.

-I haven't seen the 3rd raikage use his black lightning, but that's an extra layer of (unneeded) insurance for the raikage in an already one-sided fight.

Unless the 3rd kazekage could somehow contrive to use the tailed-beast bomb, or learn rasengan to replicate the impact of tbb (and somehow develop sage-mode level reflexes to counter the raikage's speed), then the 3rd kazekage has absolutley no hope of defeating the 3rd raikage.

EDIT: It's ridiculous to think the kazekage could suffocate people with his iron sand. It sounds cool and all, but until we see Gaara doing a similar technique there is absolutely no reason to think the 3rd kazekage was so much better than Gaara.
 
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The Third Raikage was shown to have a ridiculous amount of Stamina, as he battled10,000 Shinobi for 3 days (I think it was) and he came out on top.
considering gaaras jin power and stamina and the fact 3rd was still stated as superior, id say he has a decent amount of stamina

Iron bullets wouldn't hurt Raikage. The only attack we've seen injure him is his own and Rasenshuriken to some extent. Rasenshuriken molecularly damages on a huge scale. If that doesn't finish him off, i doubt some bullets will.
raikages skin is still human. magnetite is harder than titanium and lava cannot melt it.

remember that 3rd kazekage was taken down by Sasori, who if we compare to 3rd Raikage is a less powerful Shinobi.
but thats not dependent on power. third disappeared without a trace without any signs of a full scale battle. sasori probably scratched him once and that was it. sasori can do that. and he probably had minions with him
also note that 3rd Raikage's physical power is more great then Sakura, means he can punch any heavy weapon\wall created by iron sand, right back at 3rd Kazekage
sandaime kaze need not make blocks like against sakura. the iron sand starts as just that. sand. 4th raikage couldnt kick through gaaras regular sand which is less dense than magnetite black sand

Well lacing everything in iron is a bit difficult because Kazekage would have to carry around a set amount of iron sand to use (similar to Gaara's gourd sand
from the puppet he seems to produce it from his mouth and can make as much as he wants

'Satetsu Shigure' will not be able to pierce through his tough skin
there are holes in a persons body. iron sand can go into those holes and clog them up like he can do to puppets. third raikage isnt fully protected by his iron skin.

Kazekage can attack raikage all he wants, but he cant penetrate that shield of his, nothing but his own attack can.
raikage was restrained by gaaras regular sand

3.) Raikage's lightning stab wouldn't have much trouble piercing through Kazekage's iron armor or shield. Just his three finger busted through a rock wall that was powered by multiple shinobi.
magnetite is capable of being harder than titanium and withstands the highest of temperatures, even lava and lightning.

Sasori <<<< Kisame
you sure?

but the third got killed by sasori and the 3rd raikage tank 10k ninjas for 3 days
who knows how many puppets sasori had? at least 100. plus his mind controlled minions from the sand and possibly help from akatsuki and sasoris poison

Remember he was killed by Sasori
he probably had help from puppet army and his akatsuki partner

Nonthing will get threw to raikage armor but wind tecs if a tailed beast bomb did not work iron won't work etheir
raikage will suffocate if he holds his breath. iron particles can get between the little gaps in the armour
how long would it take for him to gather all this iron up?
considering his hype as the most feared ninja in suna ever i think it wont take him long

4. Also the heat form the lightning attacks may melt and fuse the iron sands into iron lumps.
even lava cant melt magnetite. only dust release can break down magnetite

I Dout he can even make his iron that small in the first place if he could I'm pretty sure sasori would have done so against Sakura
sasori made the iron small enough to clog up the puppet joints and chiyos arm.

u can't trap him like that he gone punch threw it.
he needed mizukages oil to save him from gaaras sand

We seen the third kazekage attacks get beat by Sakura an a old lady...
none of them were defeated. iron sand world method wasnt countered. the bullets werent countered since you need to dodge, not try and block. the blocks were only hit away from them. never scratched or broken apart.

An incredible speed, an overwhelming offensive and a perfect defensive, he will tank all of the Kazekages attacks or dodge from them with his speed
world method is indiscriminate. theres no dodging a forest of magnetite trees. finger nukite will not even make a dent in the magnetite. it might push it back.

this man will crush the Kazekage.
so he fought fodders. who gives a shit. suna thought third kazekage losing at all was impossible when this was a time when 4th raikage was around

. Earth element wouldn't absorb or neutralize lightning cuz lightning beats earth...
lightnign when its on a higher level or same level. magnet release is more advanced than any other doton

has a steel like quality to it since (kimmi battle) and has only become stronger steel >>iron
magnetite > iron and steel

you guys seriously are trolling lol, sasori defeated the 3rd kazekage before he defected from his village he was 15? ok now he was defeated by sakura and chiyo.
third kazekage was ambushed by poison and kidnapped. it wasnt a fair all out battle in the middle of suna or someone would have noticed. and sasori wasnt alone

he can only use iron sand which comes from regular sand.
it comes from magnet release and studying shukaku

well the 3rd kazekage got kill by sasori and the 3rd raikage >sasori so by common sense raikage stomp
ABC logic doesnt apply in narutoverse
2) Fire jitsu would majorly affect his release because heat demagnetizes/melts metal
magnetites melting point is 300 degrees higher than the temperature of lava

got defeated by sakura and chiyo lol
he let them win
 

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Despite what you say, Sasori defeated the 3rd kazekage. Sasori deftly infiltrated the sand village, and killed the 3rd kazekage without alerting anybody. After all, Sasori only needed to cut his opponent to immobilize them with a fatal poison- we automatically know that the 3rd kazekage was defeated by puppets. Can you imagine the 3rd raikage even being cut by one of Sasori's puppets?
third was probably sleeping and got ambushed. there was no signs of an all out battle.

though in life, the 3rd kazekage's iron sand would be much weaker than when he was a human puppet; the iron sand would no longer be soaked in Sasori's poison
doesnt make it weaker, just less deadly
-the 3rd raikage is fast. Much faster than Sakura, or Sasori's puppets.
chiyo was controlling sakura and the puppets. CHIYO is fast
-the 3rd raikage's lightning armor is unbelievably durable. The
so is magnetite

When the iron sand was even close to hitting her, Sakura slapped aside the 3rd kazekage's iron sand
but she ddint scratch or harm it. the best sakuras strength can do is push it away from herself. and only when controlled by chiyo
 

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third was probably sleeping and got ambushed. there was no signs of an all out battle.

doesnt make it weaker, just less deadly
chiyo was controlling sakura and the puppets. CHIYO is fast
so is magnetite

but she ddint scratch or harm it. the best sakuras strength can do is push it away from herself. and only when controlled by chiyo
No, Sakura was no longer under Chiyo's control when she was dodging/ slapping asde the iron sand. Obviously she didn't harm it, that's like pointing out that someone didn't harm Gaara's sand. :rolleyes: The iron sand couldn't hurt Sakura, the iron sand can't hurt the 3rd raikage.

Of course there was no sign of an all-out battle between the kazekage and Sasori, we're lead to believe the kazekage was defeated instantly.

And... an attack being less deadly is the same thing as an attack being weaker... lul...
 
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To me, the third kazekage reminds me of magneto (through his powers) and the third raikage reminds me of superman (except flying of course) + flash...
Anybody agrees with me???
 

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To me, the third kazekage reminds me of magneto (through his powers) and the third raikage reminds me of superman (except flying of course) + flash...
Anybody agrees with me???
Make your own thread! :p lul, keeding.. the 3rd kazekage isn't like Magneto, he controls iron sand the way Gaara controls sand. He can't just manipulate all metal/iron he lays his eyes on. I dunno what Flash does other than run around, but the raikage is a ninja! He has shuriken! Can the flash throw shuriken? **** no!
 

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sandaime kaze need not make blocks like against sakura. the iron sand starts as just that. sand. 4th raikage couldnt kick through gaaras regular sand which is less dense than magnetite black sand

there are holes in a persons body. iron sand can go into those holes and clog them up like he can do to puppets. third raikage isnt fully protected by his iron skin.
If he does not make any heavy weapon he can not hit Raikage, all this sand getting inside him and killing him is good in theory but in reality it does not work, people who run through sand storm's just cover their mouth and nose, and survive, also note that Raikage charges Raiton in a very high frequency and speed in his body which will push any tiny sand\iron sand particle away from his body or won't even let it touch him, see this Manga page when A pushed Sasuke's Kusanagi away just by charging his Raiton Armor.

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well this is not how it works,

Hellstab is a very powerful technique, it even countered the TBB of hachibi,

iron stand can't withstand stand jutsu of that level.
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Raikage just broke through that huge wall, like it was nothing.
 
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