Proof that Third Kazekage > Third Raikage (Actual Explanation inside)

[Negative Knight]

Lol Kishi is a reasonable guy i'm sure he'll stick to scientific principles vaguely

 

[NaruGoku]

But what if kazekage uses iron lightning needles. Im sure thats a tech gaara learned from village. then how can raikage use lightning release.

i see but that cannot counter the kazekage breaking up the iron into his sand thus making the raikage able to inhale it, killing him through suffocation.

the way i see it, raikage is going to be completely surrounded by his lightning cuz of his lightning armor. because of this, the iron sand that is intended to go into his mouth with be demagnetized when it comes in contact with his armor which would be well before it gets to his mouth. after all, it doesn't have to actually touch the lightning itself--the air around the lightning will be heated to ridiculous temperatures as well and therefore kazekage will lose control over the sand. once he loses control, the sand will harmlessly fall to the ground at Raikage's feet

 

[Negative Knight]

the way i see it, raikage is going to be completely surrounded by his lightning cuz of his lightning armor. because of this, the iron sand that is intended to go into his mouth with be demagnetized when it comes in contact with his armor which would be well before it gets to his mouth. after all, it doesn't have to actually touch the lightning itself--the air around the lightning will be heated to ridiculous temperatures as well and therefore kazekage will lose control over the sand. once he loses control, the sand will harmlessly fall to the ground at Raikage's feet

The Third Raikage won't use his armour straight off the bat and the the Kazekage can kill him early on in the fight.

 

[NaruGoku]

The Third Raikage won't use his armour straight off the bat and the the Kazekage can kill him early on in the fight.

the only thing that could possibly kill him would be the internal stuff, and Kazekage won't use that right off the bat. also, i think i disagree about the Raikage, i think he will use it right away because that's really the only thing he does... then again, neither of us can say for sure what either of them would use right off the bat

 

[MickNerks]

the way i see it, raikage is going to be completely surrounded by his lightning cuz of his lightning armor. because of this, the iron sand that is intended to go into his mouth with be demagnetized when it comes in contact with his armor which would be well before it gets to his mouth. after all, it doesn't have to actually touch the lightning itself--the air around the lightning will be heated to ridiculous temperatures as well and therefore kazekage will lose control over the sand. once he loses control, the sand will harmlessly fall to the ground at Raikage's feet

You didnt explain the lightning needles. That gaara showed to zap electricity from oponents

 

[LordSasukeOfSixPaths]

negative knight has a good point in his thread but we dont know if the 3rd kazekage can use it as efficient as he describes it , he kishi proves his theory than i agree because the 3rd raikage cant just hold his breath the whole fight but thats if he's efficient as negative knight thinks he is

 

[Negative Knight]

negative knight has a good point in his thread but we dont know if the 3rd kazekage can use it as efficient as he describes it , he kishi proves his theory than i agree because the 3rd raikage cant just hold his breath the whole fight but thats if he's efficient as negative knight thinks he is

Please, call me Knight Lol

and it probably isn't as efficient but theoretically it should be able to be used in similar ways

 

[NaruGoku]

You didnt explain the lightning needles. That gaara showed to zap electricity from oponents

sorry man but that is not cannon. that only happens in one of the movies. it's not in the manga or even in the anime so it's something that Gaara does not have. not to mention we are talking about the 3rd Kazekage, not Gaara

Not to mention that technique is an Earth-based technique. Lightning is strong against Earth element so i don't think it would make a difference... in fact, it doesn't make sense. Earth element wouldn't absorb or neutralize lightning cuz lightning beats earth...

 

[LordSasukeOfSixPaths]

Please, call me Knight Lol

and it probably isn't as efficient but theoretically it should be able to be used in similar ways

alright knight lol , but we also have to assume that the way he is able to use it is also the way sasori used him as a puppet but with a little more skill

 

[Negative Knight]

Lol i just realized apart from Muu and the 3rd Raikage there aren't many other Kages that can actually cause much difficutly for the 3rd Kazekage

2nd Mizukage < Third Kazekage

3rd Tschuikage < Third Kazekage

 

[tazze019]

1.No the 3rd kazekage didnt create magnet release its a kkg
2.sasori did fight him remember he said he had a hard time killing him
3.no he cant blood bend or he would have used it against sakura or the 4th would have used it also

But everything else I kinda agree with

Well we don't know if they had a fight. Maybe its a assination.

 

[kimbo]

Nice analysis, good job.
As for my opinion who would win, I have absolutely no idea. I reckon the Third Kazekage is more of a favourite of mine so I'd hope he'd win.

 

[MickNerks]

My Final desicion im gong with 3rd Kazekage

With what you described and what i discovered between kazekage and Raikage then Ive found more reason to say kazekage more then raikage.

1. Intellegence can play a cruial role in a battle. Knowing that kazekage created his own kekkei genkai and wasable to prolong his death from sasori even though he was sasoris prisoner suggest that he aquires a level of intellect that i have not seen in Raikage.

When looking at 3rd raikage and 4th Raikage, then dont seem like the once to be very battle smart. Then seem to go in head strong and use the brute strength, speed, and durability. These qualities wont work on shinobies who use intellect and skill over just strength.


2. I was impressed with kazekages Iron sand Drizzle

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and also his Iron Sand world Method

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these two techniques in combination many be all the kazekage need to win this match.

2. Lets remember that in the war the 4th raikage didnt activate his ligthning release, he just went out and fought shinobi. Kabuto manually activated lightning release to destroy the seals.. It can be assumed that Raikage didnt activate it because he believes his body durable without it and only needing to activate it for drastic measures like fighting a tailed beast or fighting 1000 enemy shinobi.

Becuase of this kazekage could easily activate the poison iron mist and without the raikage noticing he could inhale (w/o lightning release active) and die of poison. Iron sand world could also surrond raikage and iron sand drizzle could hover between raikage and kazekage (while covered in poison), and beause raikage is a tiajutsu fighter he would have to come in close pass all the poison mist and drizzle (which some will be inhaled).

Raikage die because he is unaware of mist and because he doesnt think kazekage is a threat to him so he doesnt activate armour. Just as he didnt feel the need to activate his armor in the was against gaara and other shinobi, until kabuto force him to. This is just my observation and opinion.

:ice:

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

i See the third kazekage getting stabbed with the hell finger from the ground in surprise or the raikage losing because of iron sand build up in the raikages body...both can win or lose...i vote on the raikage if its the grasslands...i vote kazekage if its like a cave or the desert....

all-around answer....
Mizukage extreme difficulty(Loses a body part or permanent damage) / raikage high difficulty( i dont see him getting poisoned but its pretty possible who knows):shrug:
Im not so sure about the factor of the raikage getting electrocuted..he has iron skin and uses raiton armor...thats his chakra nature

 

[Shirou Emiya]

Hmm.. This is a very detailed thread + rep I think that the third kazekage takes the cake
His iron sand is really op and he could blood bend do yupp... Kazekage in my opinion

 

[KingHashirama]

My Final desicion im gong with 3rd Kazekage

With what you described and what i discovered between kazekage and Raikage then Ive found more reason to say kazekage more then raikage.

1. Intellegence can play a cruial role in a battle. Knowing that kazekage created his own kekkei genkai and wasable to prolong his death from sasori even though he was sasoris prisoner suggest that he aquires a level of intellect that i have not seen in Raikage.

When looking at 3rd raikage and 4th Raikage, then dont seem like the once to be very battle smart. Then seem to go in head strong and use the brute strength, speed, and durability. These qualities wont work on shinobies who use intellect and skill over just strength.


2. I was impressed with kazekages Iron sand Drizzle

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and also his Iron Sand world Method

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these two techniques in combination many be all the kazekage need to win this match.

2. Lets remember that in the war the 4th raikage didnt activate his ligthning release, he just went out and fought shinobi. Kabuto manually activated lightning release to destroy the seals.. It can be assumed that Raikage didnt activate it because he believes his body durable without it and only needing to activate it for drastic measures like fighting a tailed beast or fighting 1000 enemy shinobi.

Becuase of this kazekage could easily activate the poison iron mist and without the raikage noticing he could inhale (w/o lightning release active) and die of poison. Iron sand world could also surrond raikage and iron sand drizzle could hover between raikage and kazekage (while covered in poison), and beause raikage is a tiajutsu fighter he would have to come in close pass all the poison mist and drizzle (which some will be inhaled).

Raikage die because he is unaware of mist and because he doesnt think kazekage is a threat to him so he doesnt activate armour. Just as he didnt feel the need to activate his armor in the was against gaara and other shinobi, until kabuto force him to. This is just my observation and opinion.

:ice:

for your opnion it was nice.. But you made the Raikage too dumb. the 3rd Raikage seems smarter then the fourth

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

Third Kazekage vs Third Raikage​

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Third Raikage's Profile: (Written by Leoj of the Teinken)


Why the Third Kazekage is stronger than the Third Raikage ?


Hell Stab is said to be the signature move of the Third Raikage, a superior version of Chidori. By nature its a lightning physical attack that requires direct contact on the person you need to hit.

The Third Kazekage's Iron Armour Defense (ideal shape would be in a incomplete sphere which doesn't touch the ground but has an inside where the 3rd is safely touching the ground)

In scientific terms iron conducts electricity so the lighting for the Hell Stab would electrify the defense to a devastating voltage which would reflect the effects to the user of the Jutsu as the full circuit would circulate and hit the third raikage with his own attack.

Also this would make the defense even stronger as the Third Raikage took the liberty of adding a lethal electric fence.

The Third Raikage's lightning release armour could also act as a disadvantage to him as contact with the iron sand would just cause his own lighting armour to have the effect on which it has on his enemies.

Overall if the Third Kazekage were to disperse iron sand along the floor it would prevent the Third Raikage from using any of his lightning release techniques which make up for the large bulk of his ninjutsu.


Strengths and Weaknesses against Other Elements (Third Kazekage's Iron Sand)

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Immunity to Fire Techniques - would become useless in the face of this apart from Madara and a few select other's techniques.

Immunity - Water would instead of soaking into it like with ordinary sand would just wipe off.

Immunity - Even the most powerful wind techniques won't do much damage, a hurricane vs a iron house?

Immunity - Earth wouldn't be strong enough to compete with the iron sand

Immunity against Lightning Melee Attacks as they would electrocute the users themselves

Weakness against Lightning Projectiles -The iron conducts lightning so the iron sand can't be touching him physically as a Armour otherwise it becomes like a electrified fence/cage.

Lightning also strengths the Third's Defense as it causes his shield to be literally untouchable as the lightning circulating around it would electrocute anyone who comes close

Also if you check the the spoiler tag above on the Third Kazekage's elemental strengths and weaknesses, you would see that whatever other chakra natures the third has would just back fire on him.

His Black Lightning his signature Kekkei Genkai (Storm Release) would also act as a burden because the Di-charged nature of water would mean it could complete a circuit on its own increasing the devastation of the Third's lightning techniques on himself.

The Third Kazekage's Iron Sand Bullets which are propelled by replusion of the Magnet Release technique could reach speed close to the Third's because of the nature of magnetism, and each hit could be electrocuting until the third's body is worn out by electrocution, not to mention no matter how hard his exterior his heart and brain can only take so much electrocution

Finally, the Third's theoretical technique of blood bending because of iron in the blood means that he's gonna leave before this battle begins...because we all know in the end which of the Kages is gonna win.



For those who didn't read basically The Third Raikage electrocutes himself over and over till his brain can't take it

Magneto >>>> Beast


Who do you guys think is stronger between these two Kages and give reasons?

overwhelming

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

The Third is able to condense his iron sand so it could get to the point where it could act as a defense to the Third's attacks similar to how strong the Third's skin is.

Basically he has a upgraded version of Gaara's defense that's harder and condense to become even stronger

No gaara defense stronger one it's automatic and too it's created from strongest mineral's and has a steel like quality to it since (kimmi battle) and has only become stronger steel >>iron

 

[shloabsky]

Even though im not sure im gonna go with the kazekage. Im gonna do more research and bring another theory

I'm glad your gonna bring a theory, hopefully its detailed and i learn a lot more than i have today about the third kazekage.

Thanks for your post +rep[/QUOTE]

Heres my opinion.....
Both are really powerful kage so this fight will be big....
-personally i believe the 3rd Kazekage would win with EXTREMELY HIGH DIFF
the iron sand can be used for long,close,mid attacks i know the raikage is fast but he doesnt spam lightning armor like his son so i think he would eventually die after a long battle....

 

[UchiHaHaHa]

I think the third Raikage would win this, cause maybe on pen and paper we would see that the third Kazekage would win but I think at the end of the day the third Raikage is just the better shinobi overall and he has way more stamina than the third Kazekage so he could literally toy with the third Kazekage until he runs out of energy.