Shut it newbies, now it's official. TOBIRAMA stated that they WERE at full power with OROCHIMARU's edo tensei right now, THAT means that THEY weren't even at 1/3 of their powers against Hiruzen, DO not forget that Part 1's story was incomplete and badly thought, the edo tensei just started its debut and ORochimaru probably had no experience using it properly. What's more, you've finally seen Hashirama fight, if you believe HIRUZEN is this strong then GO shoot yourself, there's no WAY Hashirama was serious against Hiruzen, LOOK at the amount of jutsus he has and how he masters Sage Mode and CAN enter that mode during a battle or a movement which Naruto CANNOT yet. Seeing as he took on a Kyuubi protected by Susanoo, it's already official, HASHIRAMA's feats are WAY over Hiruzen's, PART 1 Naruto is too old and it's a rotten and dull hype, it's completely stupid to even call him the God of Shinobi now, Masashi MADE Kabuto say that IN order for you, people, TO UNDERSTAND that HASHIRAMA is NOW stated to be THE STRONGEST HOKAGE. So please, JUST stop saying stupidities, THIS forum itself is full of morons, I can't believe the amount of stubborn retards who take every words for granted and use the SAME ARGUMENT over again mentioned by an incompetent and one of the shittiest jonins who even reads One Piece and comes up with statements out of his ass, Iruka. Let's not forget about the difference in generation, Hiruzen is stated God of Shinobi by Iruka, a ninja FROM his generation himself, HASHIRAMA is SPOKE OF IN EVERY generations, HE IS completely praised for his power, we don't even hear about Hiruzen anymore because he is not of any threat at all, he is one of the strongest hokage, and even so, we don't know. Tobirama's Hiraishin already puts him above Hiruzen to begin with, he created the edo tensei and he uses Suiton without any water source, he has variations of it and can even make a blade as a weapon or empower his kunai with Suiton. It's completely pointless to talk about Hiruzen when he used a forbidden jutsu and fought two 1/3 of Tobirama and Hashirama' powers. If you go on and compare him to other KAGES then yes, Hiruzen is easily one of the strongest, but when it comes to hokages, then no, he is probably the third strongest to begin with, or the second, but I won't accept him in Hashirama's seat because that's obviously bullcrap and nonsense.