Hiruzen knew he was stronger than Hashirama and Nidaime reunited

[Yo pappy]

This thread is ridiculous. If your only piece of evidence is that Hiruzen looked confident, and talked big before a fight then you haven't proven anything because anyone can do that, remember this guy?

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[ANBU Kakashi23]

hiruzen saw part 1 hashiramas nerfed mokuton and said that he wasnt one bit weaker in life so obviously he knew nothing about hashiramas true strength which is revealed in part 2.

you should be able to grasp power scaling between the 2 parts :|

 

[siyo]

Don't you read the manga kabuto stated that hashirama powers is considered like the sage of the six path a myth and madara hiself said only hashirama senju can defeat him now and you are saying hiruzen could have beaten hashi that is laughable.

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Then add the fact that Hiruzen already beat Hashirama, and he surpassed him according to both the manga and the databook.

 

[ProjectOuterspace]

Page 8 chapter 481. Danzo tries to convince the 2nd hokage not to sacrifice himself reason being is that he is the greatest in the village. Not only is sarutobi included in this statement but it's prime sarutobi. 2nd hokage > 3rd hokage. We need not speak of hashi. /thread

How was Hiruzen in his prime?

He was a child then.

 

[Bogard]

This thread is ridiculous. If your only piece of evidence is that Hiruzen looked confident, and talked big before a fight then you haven't proven anything because anyone can do that, remember this guy?

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The difference is that this guy didn't knew Gaara, when Hiruzen knew Hashirama and Tobirama...

 

[Owarij]

This thread is ridiculous. If your only piece of evidence is that Hiruzen looked confident, and talked big before a fight then you haven't proven anything because anyone can do that, remember this guy?

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There first time meeting each other.....

Hashirama and tobirama are his masters... he knows all about them. and still made a comment about defeating them...

While when kakashi stood infront of oro, he was scared as shit

 

[EdoMadara]

Hiruzen in that position was The man who already knew the potential of his opponents and how to counter it .
Hiruzen shows us that he's not only unfeared against 3 of them but also show confidence to defeat both of them.

 

[Yo pappy]

The difference is that this guy didn't knew Gaara, when Hiruzen knew Hashirama and Tobirama...

You're still not going to prove anything with it, and if you've read the manga you'll realize that both have been revered as the strongest. There's really no sense in arguing it if you put that into consideration.

 

[ZeeshanAsNaruto]

Honestly i think that time Kishimoto didn't planned Hashirama's power level for The current part 2 manga So i think v shud consider that it was simply Kishi's mistake cm'on guyzz every' human makes mistakes nd thatt was kishi's mistake so lets just forgive him and Move on guyz xd

 

[Tartarus]

Probably is all people can say
Its was never stated that they were not at full strenght

ok what that would imply Oro is literally the most powerful shinobi to live since you claim he had full powered Edos of both Hashirama and Tobirama, and could stomp Madara, yet still say he is weaker than Itachi, and what you are also claiming is that Sarutbi can beat BOTH Hashirama and Tobirama AT THE SAME TIME. If so, that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

 

[EdoMadara]

i see hiruzen beating tobirama but to defeat hashirama it'll took DRS to play with.

 

[TheSages456]

you should be able to grasp power scaling between the 2 parts :|

why would old hiruzens power change? we already saw his limits. kishi intentionally changed hashirama because he decided that he should be the strongest. also im tired of people trying to bring in "powerscaling". part 1 kakashi>part 2 sakura. hiruzen is dead. he showed his limits in part 1. if he was brought back in part 2 ,he wouldnt be any stronger. we already saw hiruzen in part 2 though and he wasnt any stronger than his part 1 counterpart.

 

[siyo]

You're still not going to prove anything with it, and if you've read the manga you'll realize that both have been revered as the strongest. There's really no sense in arguing it if you put that into consideration.

No, Hashirama was revered as the strongest of his time...big difference


Anyway, Kishi might change his mind in the near future (with a retcon) but until then canon is canon.

 

[ProjectOuterspace]

ok what that would imply Oro is literally the most powerful shinobi to live since you claim he had full powered Edos of both Hashirama and Tobirama, and could stomp Madara, yet still say he is weaker than Itachi, and what you are also claiming is that Sarutbi can beat BOTH Hashirama and Tobirama AT THE SAME TIME. If so, that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

Everyone has a counter.

Itachi was specifically designed to counter Oro. You are using people that won battles because they are specifically designed to defeat the other.

Hashirama was there specifically to counter Madara. Body vs. Eyes.

Hiruzen was considered a God of shinobi. Not just the best of his generation, the god of ALL shinobi.

Go with what Kishi says and leave it as Hiruzen was #1.

 

[EdoMadara]

why would old hiruzens power change? we already his limits. kishi intentionally changed hashirama because he decided that he should be the strongest. also im tired of people trying to bring in "powerscaling". part 1 kakashi>part 2 sakura. hiruzen is dead. he showed his limits in part 1. if he was brought back in part 2 ,he wouldnt be any stronger. we already saw hiruzen in part 2 though and he wasnt any stronger than his part 1 counterpart.

hiruzen in part 2? link please?

 

[Tartarus]

Everyone has a counter.

Itachi was specifically designed to counter Oro. You are using people that won battles because they are specifically designed to defeat the other.

Hashirama was there specifically to counter Madara. Body vs. Eyes.

Hiruzen was considered a God of shinobi. Not just the best of his generation, the god of ALL shinobi.

Go with what Kishi says and leave it as Hiruzen was #1.

With what I'm saying that still doesn't make sense. If Oro had access to Hashi and Tobi full power he'd be able to even beat Madara and if he can beat Madara he's be easily able to stomp Itachi. Just because a bunch of fodder call him the strongest hokage doesn't mean he is. Hell, those anbu in the scan didn't even know who Hashirama was. Zetsu said Itachi is invincible does that mean he is?

 

[ProjectOuterspace]

With what I'm saying that still doesn't make sense. If Oro had access to Hashi and Tobi full power he'd be able to even beat Madara and if he can beat Madara he's be easily able to stomp Itachi. Just because a bunch of fodder call him the strongest hokage doesn't mean he is. Hell, those anbu in the scan didn't even know who Hashirama was. Zetsu said Itachi is invincible does that mean he is?

Do you not notice the way he controlled the first and second hokage compared to how Kabuto is?

And did you notice that they were far away? Its not that they didnt know who it was, there was a giant statue of the same ninja right behind them. They just didnt believe it.

 

[TheSages456]

hiruzen in part 2? link please?

read chapters 501-504. its when the kyuubi attacks the village. hiruzen and the village face the kyuubi.

 

[Icelerate]

There is power scaling but people need to realize that it doesn't amplify the strength of every character equally. Take Tenten and Ino for example, they are only about 50% stronger than in part 1. Now take Naruto and Sasuke, they are 100 times stronger than their former selves.

 

[EdoMadara]

read chapters 501-504. its when the kyuubi attacks the village. hiruzen and the village face the kyuubi.

it shows only enma capabilities to push kyubi. despite being old hiruzen could push back kyubi out of the village with his strength + enma combined. to hold such a blunt heavy staff that could extent like that u need somewhat strength.