Itachi is the strongest

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Minato>Itachi

Umm no, that will never happen

 

[TheBlackDevil]

I would agree, but I can't because Itachi isn't the strongest...however, I think he would be had he not had his illness. He is one of the strongest characters though~

 

[Kush sage]

Not the strongest

 

[DimLord Urza]

Let me spend the valuable time I have to debunk your unrealistic claim. Firstly, while Itachi's ocular jutsus are powerful among the Uchiha, he simply cannot par on the same level as Madara or Tobi, whom we still haven't seen full potential of.
Secondly, if you gave Shisui's eye to any Uchiha they would be immensely overpowered (The first time they use it in a battle anyway). Arguing that Itachi is the strongest because of Shisui's eye is a malformed argument since any Uchiha with Shisui's eye would be incredibly strong (Generally). You say that Shisui's eye for Itachi is like the Edo Tensei for Kabuto... but that is just wrong.
The Edo Tensei is a jutsu that Kabuto possesses. Shisui's eye is an object, not a jutsu. Therefore, anyone can use Shisui's eye if he/she possesses the object, but to use Edo Tensei you must learn the technique.
So without the eye, Itachi is still a remarkably strong shinobi. However, he can't be compared to godly shinobi such as Madara, who far surpass him in ocular jutsus. Try to think hard for a second. If you come to a rational understanding, you would see the fight turn out something like this:
Itachi: Susanoo
Madara: Susanoo
Itachi: Amaterasu
Madara: Fail.
Itachi: Tsukuyomi
Madara: Fail.
Madara: -Slash-
Itachi: Dead
Madara: "g3t R4pEd"
I am exaggerating obviously, and Itachi would probably be smart enough to realize that he is no match for Madara, and would either retreat or simply give up.
All in all, while Itachi is an exceptional shinobi, he is not the strongest. Seriously.

 

[DeViliShChild]

He has many very OP abilities, and has the power to kill anyone in the manga. However, others have the tools to kill him as well.

 

[Saiyan Kammy]

Itachi is one of the strongest but he is not the most powerful.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Yea i curse out stupid ass dickriding fanboys who say stupid shit(or ones who talk shit), like you dumb itachi fans who really have it fixated in your head that this guy is really the strongest.... i couldn't tell if ya'll were trolling or being serious, but than...i thought to myself their itachi fans of course they are...-_- i swear itachi is more hyped up than ****ing minato because fanboys like you, i could be on this damn computer arguing with the ignorant shit you say ALL ****ing night long on why itachi ain't the strongest but YOU being the fanboy you are will keep in saying he is...face it your a dickrider and once a dickrider always a dickrider...opps i mean fanboy...so yea debating with fanboys like you is a waste of ****ing time which im not about to take time out my life to do unless its 100 percent no dickriding involved in it, which is something i could bet money you couldn't do...gotcha sweating already don't it you ****in dumbass.

You are an idiot please take your hate elsewhere. This thread is for nice calm debating if you are incapable of doing so leave.

cause its already wasted.. and takes 10 years to use it.. and also can be canceled off..

Hi what i am saying is before he used it and put it in naruto at that point he was technically even if it was for a while was the strongest.

1. he technnally does not have shisui's eye.
2. he doesnt have izanagi
3. just stfu its not way he could beat Edo Madara or Hashi

I am talking about when he did have shisuis eye and did not have plans to use it to protect konoha. Really he dosent have izanagi, how do you know this are you kishi. Im not sure he has it but its a possibility. Lastly who was even talking about edo madara of course he cannot beat edo madara because he is waaaay too powerful thanks to kabuto boosting his powers im talking about an alive madara with only ems not hashirama powers and rinnegan.

He is clearly in top 10 but not the strongest!

He has shisuis ultimate genjutsu that can end the fight before it begins= yeah i really want to see a dead man holding an eye in his hand and kill someone.or if he came up with a strategy to fit an eye in his forehead and go tien mode :sy:

Ultimate defence via susanoo and impenetrable shield=madara has it.End of story

Ultimate sealing technique=and your point is? hashi is the king of sealing techs! xd

Izanami=madara knows everything about it.He's the bloody Ph.D holder in sharingan techs

Izanagi (most likely)-same thing

Ameterasu-:sy:

Tsukyomi which i dont think hashirama and madara could break-:sy:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAND the billion other things we know about itachi such as his supreme intelligence and battle tactics.- Yeah he can come up with tactics.but there's a difference when you're diffusing a home made bomb and a frigging nuke!

I really dont think he needs to hold shisuis eye. Im sorry are you actually saying madaras susanoo is better no sorry the ultimate defence as stated in the manga is the ultimate defence. Also itachis sealing technique is the ultimate sealing technique, you dont know how hashis sealing works or how long it takes so please relax. If you are going to say that there is a ninja smarter than itachi that is nearly as strong then name one. Intelligence + power beat pure power.

If Shisui's eye is your main reason then Danzo is stronger. The eye in the crow can only use the genjutsu once in a decade where as Danzo can use it once a day.
Besides you cannot deny that he would have been toast if he wasn't Edo in the battle with Kabuto.

We all saw how much of a chump danzo was he lost to sasuke, SASUKE and by way of regular genjutsu. Remember how danzo shit it when he thought he saw itachi in the sasuke vs danzo fight and during the fight itachi was trying to capture kabuto not kill him are you seriously going to say if he was actually fighting he would not do better.

Lol itachi is a weakless piece of scum,Madara,Minato, defeating easily itachi.

You sir are a hater please leave, how can you say anyone would defeat itachi easily:flaw:

he is strong not the strongest how can you compare itachi to two legends shame on you

As shikaku said legends tend to be exhaggerated of course madara disproved this but only due to the fact madara is op thanks to kabuto he is completed beyond his prime. I dont think itachi is the only ninja that can beat hashi and madara.

1) he can only use it once in 10 years and if Danzo (w/o Ignazi) got past it by the original user then itachi has little power/experience compared to the original user (when it comes to this tech) Pluss he gave it away/destroyed it.
2) Actually Madara has the complete version of sussunno and while Itachi has the sword and shield the actual jitsu is not complete.
3) The sword is a great sealing technique... but he no longer has it
4)Izanami cost you an eye, which is why he never did it. He has lost the ability to use Ameterasu and Sussunno
5) when did he get senju dna to preform Izanagi
7) Tsukyomi is his last and best ability. But genjistu, is genjistu and it can be broken.
8) You can have all the brilliance and tactics in the world but if you're disabled, have little power left, and majorly disadvantaged then you will lose.

Plus when he was alive he was sick and dying. (still dangerous but half dead)

Im talking about when he was alive and in possession of shisuis eye and trust me there happens to be a BIG difference between shisui and itachi and by the way itachi happens to be the king of genjutsu so saying shisui would know how to use it better is kind of false. Itachi would not i repeat not lose his eye like shisui did.

At first i used to think wow this shisui guy must have been as good as itachi or better but when i saw that page where he said danzo got my eye i just thought you chump. I agree with what you said about izanagi and izanami, but itachi is not one to waste and opperturnity and would use it at just the right time and only if he needed to. Like i said before im talking about when he was alive so yes he had sword. See your going on false information, who said you need senju dna for izanami it said in manga it was a uchiha technique created to keep those who used izanagi in check. Pretty sure Tsyumi can only be broken if you are a close relation. Yes i agree if he was not ill he would have been much more powerful

I'm positive that Sasuke could beat Itachi, and so could like 10 other people. I like the Uchihas and Itachi, but this fanboyism has to stop

Sorry are you for real sasuke could beat itachi bwahahaha, i dont think so

 

[Uchiha AvengerX]

This is a poor thread.

100% pawn Itachi:

- Madara
- Kabuto
- Tobi
- Nagato
- Hashirama
- Naruto

funny coz itachi already beat kabuto xd

 

[Helikido]

I dont think knowing about a technique stops it only when your in it and someone tells you it breaks it like with mifune.

Also im talking about regular madara not this crazy rinnegan powered madara with hashi powers and unlimited chakra lol

reningan is madaras original power.

If Shisui's eye is your main reason then Danzo is stronger. The eye in the crow can only use the genjutsu once in a decade where as Danzo can use it once a day.
Besides you cannot deny that he would have been toast if he wasn't Edo in the battle with Kabuto.

Fact is that half that battle kabuto was already trapped by izanami.

Obvious fanboy is obvious. Take into account how much Kabuto would have owned Itachi if Sasuke wasn't there. Go read it. Now think about how much Madara would assrape Kabuto.

If Itachi wanted to he would have killed kabuto easily. and he was already caught in izanami in half of the battle.

Lol itachi is a weakless piece of scum,Madara,Minato, defeating easily itachi.

Minato? Itachi has higher feats than that piece of shit.

Let me spend the valuable time I have to debunk your unrealistic claim. Firstly, while Itachi's ocular jutsus are powerful among the Uchiha, he simply cannot par on the same level as Madara or Tobi, whom we still haven't seen full potential of.
Secondly, if you gave Shisui's eye to any Uchiha they would be immensely overpowered (The first time they use it in a battle anyway). Arguing that Itachi is the strongest because of Shisui's eye is a malformed argument since any Uchiha with Shisui's eye would be incredibly strong (Generally). You say that Shisui's eye for Itachi is like the Edo Tensei for Kabuto... but that is just wrong.
The Edo Tensei is a jutsu that Kabuto possesses. Shisui's eye is an object, not a jutsu. Therefore, anyone can use Shisui's eye if he/she possesses the object, but to use Edo Tensei you must learn the technique.
So without the eye, Itachi is still a remarkably strong shinobi. However, he can't be compared to godly shinobi such as Madara, who far surpass him in ocular jutsus. Try to think hard for a second. If you come to a rational understanding, you would see the fight turn out something like this:
Itachi: Susanoo
Madara: Susanoo
Itachi: Amaterasu
Madara: Fail.
Itachi: Tsukuyomi
Madara: Fail.
Madara: -Slash-
Itachi: Dead
Madara: "g3t R4pEd"
I am exaggerating obviously, and Itachi would probably be smart enough to realize that he is no match for Madara, and would either retreat or simply give up.
All in all, while Itachi is an exceptional shinobi, he is not the strongest. Seriously.

So that means Danzo is shitty cuz he posses other uchiha eyes and kakashi is worthless without obitos eyes? its all part of their power.

And Itachi can beat Madara. Izanagi was created power hungry uchiha like Madara so fail.

Even though I rank Itachi third behind Madara, and hashi.

 

[blacklildudexst]

shut it now

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Let me spend the valuable time I have to debunk your unrealistic claim. Firstly, while Itachi's ocular jutsus are powerful among the Uchiha, he simply cannot par on the same level as Madara or Tobi, whom we still haven't seen full potential of.
Secondly, if you gave Shisui's eye to any Uchiha they would be immensely overpowered (The first time they use it in a battle anyway). Arguing that Itachi is the strongest because of Shisui's eye is a malformed argument since any Uchiha with Shisui's eye would be incredibly strong (Generally). You say that Shisui's eye for Itachi is like the Edo Tensei for Kabuto... but that is just wrong.
The Edo Tensei is a jutsu that Kabuto possesses. Shisui's eye is an object, not a jutsu. Therefore, anyone can use Shisui's eye if he/she possesses the object, but to use Edo Tensei you must learn the technique.
So without the eye, Itachi is still a remarkably strong shinobi. However, he can't be compared to godly shinobi such as Madara, who far surpass him in ocular jutsus. Try to think hard for a second. If you come to a rational understanding, you would see the fight turn out something like this:
Itachi: Susanoo
Madara: Susanoo
Itachi: Amaterasu
Madara: Fail.
Itachi: Tsukuyomi
Madara: Fail.
Madara: -Slash-
Itachi: Dead
Madara: "g3t R4pEd"
I am exaggerating obviously, and Itachi would probably be smart enough to realize that he is no match for Madara, and would either retreat or simply give up.
All in all, while Itachi is an exceptional shinobi, he is not the strongest. Seriously.

Firstly i do agree with some of your points. Yes any uchiha with shisui eye would happen to be the most powerful howver that being said itachi was the one who had it so yes he was at one time the strongest due to being able to mind contol anyone you cannot deny that. Also im not saying he is the strongest anymore because he is dead im saying that at one point in time he was truly the strongest in the manga when compared to characters even now.

Secondly i hope your talking about regular madara not this edo super mutated madara because i do not think for a second madaras occular jutsu would outright surpass itachis. However since madara possessed the EMS while itachi only had the MS i would agree and by the way only thing EMS does it not make you blind.

Lastly you do have a point about shisuis eye being an object and kabuto's edo tensei being a jutsu however we do not know the specifics of shisuis eye for example i dont think it happens to be physical in a sense he dosent pull it out of his poctet and it cant simply be snatched the only way to take it would be to kill the one carrying it then find it. Because im pretty sure you can put it in a person (naruto) or implant it in an eye (the crow, or maybe itachi himself). P.s if it became a susanoo vs susanoo fight madara would lose due to the fact itachi could seal him with totsuka blade, because susanoo are not known for their speed

 

[Vasto Lordé]

Haha I love this thread!

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

reningan is madaras original power.

Fact is that half that battle kabuto was already trapped by izanami.

If Itachi wanted to he would have killed kabuto easily. and he was already caught in izanami in half of the battle.

Minato? Itachi has higher feats than that piece of shit.


So that means Danzo is shitty cuz he posses other uchiha eyes and kakashi is worthless without obitos eyes? its all part of their power.

And Itachi can beat Madara. Izanagi was created power hungry uchiha like Madara so fail.

Even though I rank Itachi third behind Madara, and hashi.

Really could you post a link saying so please as i do not remember reading that the rinnegan is actually madaras original power and even if it is he has not shown any proficiency in wielding it

That is very true, i mean look at kabuto now yes he essentially took everyone else's power but did he not become really powerful, yes he did. Also ive wondered about whether or not izanagi would work on madara. Cant fault your reasoning for placing itachi behind madara and hashi everyone is entiteled to their opinion and i do not believe there is anything wrong with yours

 

[The Sorrowful Prince]

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[kral]

LMAO minato>non edo itachi and tobi>itachi because of S/T jutsu's
just have to toss it out there!
no i'm not trolling so don't think that i m

first if u want to see a great itachi v minato thread plz go check out blaze release post.

reasons:
itachi other then edo form has not shown an instant reliance on sausono.(dont know if i spelled that right)
if itachi doesn't start out the fight against minato in that state he looses.
reasons why.
minato as hokage and as having obito in his squad most likely knows a thing or two about the sharingun. he knows about genjutsu.
so that means he wont look into his eye negating tscyomi.(spelling?)
now u claim amatsu will burn him cuz he can't see it coming but he feels the heat n then S/T to anther location. even to the other side of the FTG kuni thus amatsu misses.

another point. itachi doesn't rely on MS techs because of his illness/sapping of chakra and because he will go blind if he overuses it.

itachi with no prep or knowledge of minato simply can't beat someone because he doesn't stay still long enough and can move faster then any character in the series because of S/T jutsu.

tobi>itachi.
reasons. tobi goes intangible n appears right below itachi and then kills him. end of story. tobi didn't attack itachi because itachi was dangerous and because tobi knew he had him right where he wanted him and could use itachi to do his bidding without worrying about itachi failing to do his mission.

hope this was worth the read and sorry about the spelling.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

He has many very OP abilities, and has the power to kill anyone in the manga. However, others have the tools to kill him as well.

I think you put it in the best words possible.
However while in possession of shisuis eye he is the most powerful or at least was for a time.

 

[DimLord Urza]

reningan is madaras original power.

Fact is that half that battle kabuto was already trapped by izanami.

If Itachi wanted to he would have killed kabuto easily. and he was already caught in izanami in half of the battle.

Minato? Itachi has higher feats than that piece of shit.


So that means Danzo is shitty cuz he posses other uchiha eyes and kakashi is worthless without obitos eyes? its all part of their power.

And Itachi can beat Madara. Izanagi was created power hungry uchiha like Madara so fail.

Even though I rank Itachi third behind Madara, and hashi.

Yes, Danzo isn't all that strong without Hashi's cells and the sharingans on his arm. Obviously!!!! If anyone had hashi's cells and sharingans on their arms they would be just as if not more strong than Danzo. You are right that it is THEIR power, but my universal point is that the objects granting them power can be had from anyone. That is why I view it unbalanced to scale their power based on these assets.
Also, Madara owns Itachi in ocular jutsu. You say that Shisui's eye is Itachi's power, when that is completely mistaken. Shisui's eye is SHISUI'S power, which Itachi happens to have. Which is why Shisui is one of the strongest shinobi, ranked above Itachi. Please stop overrating Itachi everyone... he is a good shinobi but not near godly.
Madara possesses the rinnegan, which he had awakened. That is HIS power. Shisui's eye is SHISUI'S power in ITACHI'S possession. That doesn't make Itachi as a person stronger. How can you be certain that Madara hasn't shown an ocular jutsu that can counter Izanami or anything else Itachi has?

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

LMAO minato>non edo itachi and tobi>itachi because of S/T jutsu's
just have to toss it out there!
no i'm not trolling so don't think that i m

first if u want to see a great itachi v minato thread plz go check out blaze release post.

reasons:
itachi other then edo form has not shown an instant reliance on sausono.(dont know if i spelled that right)
if itachi doesn't start out the fight against minato in that state he looses.
reasons why.
minato as hokage and as having obito in his squad most likely knows a thing or two about the sharingun. he knows about genjutsu.
so that means he wont look into his eye negating tscyomi.(spelling?)
now u claim amatsu will burn him cuz he can't see it coming but he feels the heat n then S/T to anther location. even to the other side of the FTG kuni thus amatsu misses.

another point. itachi doesn't rely on MS techs because of his illness/sapping of chakra and because he will go blind if he overuses it.

itachi with no prep or knowledge of minato simply can't beat someone because he doesn't stay still long enough and can move faster then any character in the series because of S/T jutsu.

tobi>itachi.
reasons. tobi goes intangible n appears right below itachi and then kills him. end of story. tobi didn't attack itachi because itachi was dangerous and because tobi knew he had him right where he wanted him and could use itachi to do his bidding without worrying about itachi failing to do his mission.

hope this was worth the read and sorry about the spelling.

Interesting, very interesting that you believe that minato who we know very little about would beat itachi. Im going to try to challege some of the points you made.

1) Yes i agree that itachi does not instantly rely on susanoo or MS abilities but dosent that show how powerful he is, the fact he dosent have to rely on them so heavily like sasuke and current madara and is able to keep up with some very powerful shinobi while he hardly tries.

2) Your saying that if itachi does not start of in susanoo he loses that is so wrong. Firstly if you are comparing minato to the itachi im using (the alive and in possession of shisuis eye itachi) then minato loses and if your talking about regular itachi no he does not lose instantly that is rediculous no ninja loses instantly (except for if they possess an ultimate genjutsu, like shishuis). Also when itachi was brought back he fought and was able to keep up with naruto who is a contender for the number 1 spot of fastest ninja, not sure who is faster minato or naruto so to say itachi would instantly lose to minato if not in susanoo NO

3) Your talking about intelligence when it comes to that itachi knows no equal. Yes even if itachi has no intelligence about his enemy battling his enemy he would gather intel and he does so pretty fast. On minatos side, even if he did have a sharingan user on his team what does it matter obito only activated his sharingan shortly before dying. Yes being hokage gave him some information about uchiha and techniques but its the equivalent of what we were told about hashirama and madara we didnt know alot and i dont think he exactly has full information on them considering many of the uchiha did not possess mangekyou. So tell me what could he know? could he know about itachis tsyukomi probably not, amerterasu so what if he does.

Lastly you say he wont look itachi in the eye ok fine. You dont need to look itachi in the eye all he has to do is look at itachis hand or finger and he is caught in a genjutsu and now dont say he wont look at his hand aswell whats he going to do fight blindfolded. Ok even if he does which i dont think he can as good as gai because gai trained to do that.

So if he was avoiding eye contact no i dont think he could avoid amerterasu. You say he will sense the heat. I dont think so amerterasu is pretty much instataneous and if you cant see it coming you sure as hell wont be able to sense it till it is too late. About tobi the reason he didnt try to fight itachi was because he was afraid of him id go as far as to say scared shitless i mean why else delay your plans by years :shrug:.

 

[DimLord Urza]

Interesting, very interesting that you believe that minato who we know very little about would beat itachi. Im going to try to challege some of the points you made.

1) Yes i agree that itachi does not instantly rely on susanoo or MS abilities but dosent that show how powerful he is, the fact he dosent have to rely on them so heavily like sasuke and current madara and is able to keep up with some very powerful shinobi while he hardly tries.

2) Your saying that if itachi does not start of in susanoo he loses that is so wrong. Firstly if you are comparing minato to the itachi im using (the alive and in possession of shisuis eye itachi) then minato loses and if your talking about regular itachi no he does not lose instantly that is rediculous no ninja loses instantly (except for if they possess an ultimate genjutsu, like shishuis). Also when itachi was brought back he fought and was able to keep up with naruto who is a contender for the number 1 spot of fastest ninja, not sure who is faster minato or naruto so to say itachi would instantly lose to minato if not in susanoo NO

3) Your talking about intelligence when it comes to that itachi knows no equal. Yes even if itachi has no intelligence about his enemy battling his enemy he would gather intel and he does so pretty fast. On minatos side, even if he did have a sharingan user on his team what does it matter obito only activated his sharingan shortly before dying. Yes being hokage gave him some information about uchiha and techniques but its the equivalent of what we were told about hashirama and madara we didnt know alot and i dont think he exactly has full information on them considering many of the uchiha did not possess mangekyou. So tell me what could he know? could he know about itachis tsyukomi probably not, amerterasu so what if he does.

Lastly you say he wont look itachi in the eye ok fine. You dont need to look itachi in the eye all he has to do is look at itachis hand or finger and he is caught in a genjutsu and now dont say he wont look at his hand aswell whats he going to do fight blindfolded. Ok even if he does which i dont think he can as good as gai because gai trained to do that.

So if he was avoiding eye contact no i dont think he could avoid amerterasu. You say he will sense the heat. I dont think so amerterasu is pretty much instataneous and if you cant see it coming you sure as hell wont be able to sense it till it is too late. About tobi the reason he didnt try to fight itachi was because he was afraid of him id go as far as to say scared shitless i mean why else delay your plans by years :shrug:.

Can we agree that Itachi isn't stronger than the Sage Of Six Paths?

 

[Itachi2304]

I agree with the OP . Itachi is capable of beating both Hashirama and Madara with his arsenal of attacks. Itachi is definitely top 3 as of now in the manga