Oro could go toe to toe with Madara.

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Sure why not.
But we haven't seen what Oro can do yet and I don't know if Masashi actually PLANS to show us so....we can't be certain about that.

With Oro's skills shown as far, he is not better than Madara. But I believe he has a lot more capasity providing Masashi brings him back to the main plot.

Seriously, whats with oro fanboys theses days?

3-tomoe sharingan Madara > Oro
MS Madara >>> oro
EMS Madara >>>> oro
Rinnegan Madara >>>>>> oro

The only chance oro might have of defeating madara is if madara is blind. And even then he'll still have difficulties.
 

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Sure why not.
But we haven't seen what Oro can do yet and I don't know if Masashi actually PLANS to show us so....we can't be certain about that.

With Oro's skills shown as far, he is not better than Madara. But I believe he has a lot more capasity providing Masashi brings him back to the main plot.

Personally I think he will. I don't see the importance of showing a snake got away before being sealed, and showing Kabuto getting taken over.

Seriously, whats with oro fanboys theses days?

3-tomoe sharingan Madara > Oro
MS Madara >>> oro
EMS Madara >>>> oro
Rinnegan Madara >>>>>> oro

The only chance oro might have of defeating madara is if madara is blind. And even then he'll still have difficulties.

Chill out with the fanboyism dude..
 
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Seriously, whats with oro fanboys theses days?

3-tomoe sharingan Madara > Oro
MS Madara >>> oro
EMS Madara >>>> oro
Rinnegan Madara >>>>>> oro

The only chance oro might have of defeating madara is if madara is blind. And even then he'll still have difficulties.

Shut up person named after Uchiha Madara.

Personally I think he will. I don't see the importance of showing a snake got away before being sealed, and showing Kabuto getting taken over.


I thought so too.
I've been waiting for YEARS for this rez but I finally think he might have forgoten about it. Or had some other idea that couldn't work with Oro coming back.

Even tho i can see a small posibility of Kabuto turning to Oro but that will take a LOOOOOOONG time to draw.
There are so many things we will see before any transformation like that occurs.
 

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Shut up person named after Uchiha Madara.




I thought so too.
I've been waiting for YEARS for this rez but I finally think he might have forgoten about it. Or had some other idea that couldn't work with Oro coming back.

Even tho i can see a small posibility of Kabuto turning to Oro but that will take a LOOOOOOONG time to draw.
There are so many things we will see before any transformation like that occurs.

Bummer.

But if he did come back he would have to be worth it. He'd probably be crazy OP.
 

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i don't understand why people are saying that oro's ultimate weakness is sharingan. just because that was the only thing that gave him DIFFICULTY does not make it his ultimate weakness. it was shown that he was able to move even in itachi's genjutsu. a feat most other's couldn't even begin to compare to. but i guess that's the only thing ppl feel as though they can point out, and try to make it seem like orochimaru is completely helpless against it. when in fact, if he just had more time, or even regen skills back then, he could have very well broken out of it. there has been no other instance where oro has come across the sharingan except for against sasuke, and oro was on his death bed. so unless you want to count that as well...

all i'm saying is that oro isn't as weak against the sharingan as ppl like to point out. therefore, he's not completely helpless against madara's genjutsu. especially seeing as though we haven't seen him use it yet (which is odd if you ask me). call it fanboyism if you like. only because you may disagree when i'm simply stating my opinion...but whatever...it's completely logical for orochimaru to stand a chance...hiruzen may have sealed the 1st and 2nd, but seeing as though madara has shown no sealing feats, i don't see how that comparison would matter. Madara said the only one who would stand a chance is Hashi. so the logical assumption would be Hashi =< Edo madara. 1st + 2nd = edo Madara. Oro + 1st + 2nd >=/=

only logically speaking...ppl need to stop thinking that edo madara is such god tier when he is beatable...not saying that oro would win. but he could, as the title says, in these circumstances with oro being at full health/prime, oro could stand toe-to-toe with madara
 

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i don't understand why people are saying that oro's ultimate weakness is sharingan. just because that was the only thing that gave him DIFFICULTY does not make it his ultimate weakness. it was shown that he was able to move even in itachi's genjutsu. a feat most other's couldn't even begin to compare to. but i guess that's the only thing ppl feel as though they can point out, and try to make it seem like orochimaru is completely helpless against it. when in fact, if he just had more time, or even regen skills back then, he could have very well broken out of it. there has been no other instance where oro has come across the sharingan except for against sasuke, and oro was on his death bed. so unless you want to count that as well...

all i'm saying is that oro isn't as weak against the sharingan as ppl like to point out. therefore, he's not completely helpless against madara's genjutsu. especially seeing as though we haven't seen him use it yet (which is odd if you ask me). call it fanboyism if you like. only because you may disagree when i'm simply stating my opinion...but whatever...it's completely logical for orochimaru to stand a chance...hiruzen may have sealed the 1st and 2nd, but seeing as though madara has shown no sealing feats, i don't see how that comparison would matter. Madara said the only one who would stand a chance is Hashi. so the logical assumption would be Hashi =< Edo madara. 1st + 2nd = edo Madara. Oro + 1st + 2nd >=/=

only logically speaking...ppl need to stop thinking that edo madara is such god tier when he is beatable...not saying that oro would win. but he could, as the title says, in these circumstances with oro being at full health/prime, oro could stand toe-to-toe with madara

Well said.
 

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To my understanding, Oro hasn't been defeated by any physical means. Genjutsu and sealing is the only thing he has been beaten by. So couldn't he go toe to toe with Madara? Meteor would crush him but could it kill him? A slash from Susanoo would devastate him but not kill him? Flower world could be cut down with Kusanagi? (fight vs Naruto it extended hella long.)



and oro would just summon 1st hokage and 2nd hokage no need for him to order them around since madara and hashi are mortal enemys :rofl:
 

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i don't understand why people are saying that oro's ultimate weakness is sharingan. just because that was the only thing that gave him DIFFICULTY does not make it his ultimate weakness. it was shown that he was able to move even in itachi's genjutsu. a feat most other's couldn't even begin to compare to. but i guess that's the only thing ppl feel as though they can point out, and try to make it seem like orochimaru is completely helpless against it. when in fact, if he just had more time, or even regen skills back then, he could have very well broken out of it. there has been no other instance where oro has come across the sharingan except for against sasuke, and oro was on his death bed. so unless you want to count that as well...

all i'm saying is that oro isn't as weak against the sharingan as ppl like to point out. therefore, he's not completely helpless against madara's genjutsu. especially seeing as though we haven't seen him use it yet (which is odd if you ask me). call it fanboyism if you like. only because you may disagree when i'm simply stating my opinion...but whatever...it's completely logical for orochimaru to stand a chance...hiruzen may have sealed the 1st and 2nd, but seeing as though madara has shown no sealing feats, i don't see how that comparison would matter. Madara said the only one who would stand a chance is Hashi. so the logical assumption would be Hashi =< Edo madara. 1st + 2nd = edo Madara. Oro + 1st + 2nd >=/=

only logically speaking...ppl need to stop thinking that edo madara is such god tier when he is beatable...not saying that oro would win. but he could, as the title says, in these circumstances with oro being at full health/prime, oro could stand toe-to-toe with madara

People are saying that Sharingan is his ultimate weakness cause that's how he got beaten by twice, he got beaten by Sasuke's Genjutsu (inside his own Genjutsu technique..), then sealed by Itachi..

At Itachi vs Orochimaru event, Orochimaru was able to move his hands cause the Genjutsu itself was a paralyzing Genjutsu, not an actual illusion technique that would put you on another dimensions or something, it was a normal Sharingan paralyzing Genjutsu, so he was completely normal and conscious, but he was stunned.. he tried resisting it using his physical power but he couldn't, Itachi cut off his hand before him even trying to perform any hand seals.

Also, making him have knowledge back then doesn't make any sense.. we all know that the more you grow, the more knowledge/experience you gain about things. so, by giving him knowledge back then will not make others ignorance, it's like saying if Jiraiya knew about Pain powers back then he would've been able to defeat him, it's not like you'd give a certain advantage to someone to make them have a chance of winning.

Orochimaru had many weaknesses, and the Sharingan is his main weakness as far as we saw, cause he got defeated by it like how many, three times..? and just because Madara didn't show any sealing Jutsu's doesn't mean he don't have any, on the last Manga chapter, Madara was about to perform a powerful sealing technique that can remove one of the most powerful Jutsu's ever, (Edo Tensei..) something not even the 1st Hokage did.
 

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People are saying that Sharingan is his ultimate weakness cause that's how he got beaten by twice, he got beaten by Sasuke's Genjutsu (inside his own Genjutsu technique..), then sealed by Itachi..

At Itachi vs Orochimaru event, Orochimaru was able to move his hands cause the Genjutsu itself was a paralyzing Genjutsu, not an actual illusion technique that would put you on another dimensions or something, it was a normal Sharingan paralyzing Genjutsu, so he was completely normal and conscious, but he was stunned.. he tried resisting it using his physical power but he couldn't, Itachi cut off his hand before him even trying to perform any hand seals.

Also, making him have knowledge back then doesn't make any sense.. we all know that the more you grow, the more knowledge/experience you gain about things. so, by giving him knowledge back then will not make others ignorance, it's like saying if Jiraiya knew about Pain powers back then he would've been able to defeat him, it's not like you'd give a certain advantage to someone to make them have a chance of winning.

Orochimaru had many weaknesses, and the Sharingan is his main weakness as far as we saw, cause he got defeated by it like how many, three times..? and just because Madara didn't show any sealing Jutsu's doesn't mean he don't have any, on the last Manga chapter, Madara was about to perform a powerful sealing technique that can remove one of the most powerful Jutsu's ever, (Edo Tensei..) something not even the 1st Hokage did.

it's not his ultimate weakness lol sasuke won because oro was on his death bed...sharingan was used because it was sasuke...simple as that. how else would he try to get out of sharingan? who hasn't fought itachi and fell under a sharingan genjutsu? just because they naturally use sharingan doesn't make it oro's only weakness if they HAD to use it against him. which shinobi at the time would be able to move in ITACHI'S paralyzing genjutsu? it's not the fact that oro got caught in it, as would anyone else. it's the fact that he was able to move, a feat in which even itachi noted. because sasuke was under itachi's sharingan genjutsu doesn't make it his weakness, does it? um no. if tsunade's hand got cut off from sharingan, does that make it her weakness? no. it's just a tech that both sasuke and itachi happened to use, a tech that would subdue most anyone. in the term "weakness" that you and mostly everyone else use when in conjunction with oro is the wrong "weakness". True Oro's weakness (an object of special desire) is indeed, the sharingan. just because the only person who happened to defeat him once (under fair circcumstances) used the sharingan doesn't make it his weakness.

in all, orochimaru didn't have many weaknesses at all. his main weakness is his arrogance. not the sharingan. itachi did not use sharingan to seal oro, fyi. Until Madara showcases any sealing techs that could seal oro, as far as it matters, it doesn't count. simply because of IF...
 

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it's not his ultimate weakness lol sasuke won because oro was on his death bed...sharingan was used because it was sasuke...simple as that. how else would he try to get out of sharingan? who hasn't fought itachi and fell under a sharingan genjutsu? just because they naturally use sharingan doesn't make it oro's only weakness if they HAD to use it against him. which shinobi at the time would be able to move in ITACHI'S paralyzing genjutsu? it's not the fact that oro got caught in it, as would anyone else. it's the fact that he was able to move, a feat in which even itachi noted. because sasuke was under itachi's sharingan genjutsu doesn't make it his weakness, does it? um no. if tsunade's hand got cut off from sharingan, does that make it her weakness? no. it's just a tech that both sasuke and itachi happened to use, a tech that would subdue most anyone. in the term "weakness" that you and mostly everyone else use when in conjunction with oro is the wrong "weakness". True Oro's weakness (an object of special desire) is indeed, the sharingan. just because the only person who happened to defeat him once (under fair circcumstances) used the sharingan doesn't make it his weakness.

in all, orochimaru didn't have many weaknesses at all. his main weakness is his arrogance. not the sharingan. itachi did not use sharingan to seal oro, fyi. Until Madara showcases any sealing techs that could seal oro, as far as it matters, it doesn't count. simply because of IF...

Too many invalid statements in your post dude, but I'm gonna point out what I understood from it.

First of all, when I said Sasuke has beaten Orochimaru, my point is that Orochimaru dragged Sasuke into the place of where Orochimaru should be under a full control, yet.. Sasuke countered his Jutsu and told him that anything he does is useless against the Sharingan, and Orochimaru was weakened as a human shape (a human body..), but he came out as a huge snake which is his true form, the snake itself wasn't weakened cause it's his true self, so the technique is not a weakened version or something, that's what I meant when I said Sasuke has beaten him, beaten him on that particular Jutsu/place of where he should be under a full control over anyone.

Now, you seem to mix up between Itachi's typical illusion techniques and the paralyzing ones, they are kinda different, but both fall into the same category which is (Genjutsu), the difference between the paralyzing ones and the typical ones is that the paralyzing would freeze the enemy and make them do simply nothing, they would be in a standing still situation unable to move but conscious and fully aware of what's going on, we still didn't see any paralyzing Genjutsu used by Itachi on any other Shinobi other than Orochimaru, also remember.. it is a normal Sharingan paralyzing Genjutsu, and not a MS paralyzing Genjutsu like the one Madara used on the 4th Raikage, if itachi used his MS paralyzing Genjutsu on Orochimaru he would have fall helplessly into the ground, that's why you saw him moving/resisting a bit.

And so what if he moved his hand during the paralyzing Genjutsu? think of it like the Shadow Imitation Technique Shikamaru uses, it simply binds you to the ground and makes you unable to move, I'm not comparing the two Jutsu's, but just giving you an example of how the paralyzing Genjutsu works.

Orochimaru simply wanted to use hand seals to release the Genjutsu, Itachi knew he'd do that, so he cut off his hand.. I don't see how that can be considered as a unique thing for Orochimaru by just moving his hands a bit, once again.. the Genjutsu was meant to paralyze Orochimaru's movement, different than the typical ones Itachi uses, like the crows etc..

Also to note you on something:


Here, you can also see that the spikes are driven through Orochimaru's body while the hands are not touched, this might also explain why he was able to move his hands.

Also, Itachi used the Totsuka Sword to seal Orochimaru.. Susanoo was required, and you can't have Susanoo without a MS eyes, so what do you mean by (he didn't use the Sharingan to seal him?) of course I didn't mean that he directly sealed him with his Sharingan, but he sealed him using one of his Mangekyo Sharingan techniques.

And as I said.. just because Madara didn't show any sealing tech's doesn't mean he don't have any, he fought against the best Shinobi with sealing Jutsu's, you think he simply didn't copy any of his sealing Jutsu's with his Sharingan? I'm not saying he did, but he might have copied some, who knows.. he might also learned few during his arsenal, Madara is not just any typical Shinobi, someone like Madara should have many Jutsu's up his sleeves.
 
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Also, Itachi used the Totsuka Sword to seal Orochimaru.. Susanoo was required, and you can't have Susanoo without a MS eyes, so what do you mean by (he didn't use the Sharingan to seal him?) of course I didn't mean that he directly sealed him with his Sharingan, but he sealed him using one of his Mangekyo Sharingan techniques.

:sy:You should know that you do not need Susanoo to use the Totsuka. Having the sword is not dependent on Susanoo or the Sharingan.

Like Shinozgr8 said Orochimaru greatest weakness is NOT genjutsu its his arrogance.
 

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I'll repeat mokuton clone > orochimaru.
 

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No the 3rd died.

So he didn't win, so he lost

The point was that he defeated them all, and not about who died and who lived.. so you think since he defeated 1st/2nd and Orochimaru then he's the 2nd most powerful Shinobi in Naruto? so it would go like 3rd>1st>Orochimaru>Madara etc..?

Personally I think he will. I don't see the importance of showing a snake got away before being sealed, and showing Kabuto getting taken over.

You mean this snake?




(Sorry, accidentally merged posts from 2 different Authors, so I had to repost these here; they belong to Rovian)

Just another note: you must have another member post in between your replies or else you are multi-posting and this is against the rules
 
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:sy:You should know that you do not need Susanoo to use the Totsuka. Having the sword is not dependent on Susanoo or the Sharingan.

Like Shinozgr8 said Orochimaru greatest weakness is NOT genjutsu its his arrogance.

Why is it not needed..? have you seen the sword being used on a different way/shape before? or saw someone else using it other than itachi? it's a spiritual weapon that only Itachi used on his Susanoo, so it's safe to say that only he can use with his MS technique, anything other than that is merely an assumption, if you're gonna say otherwise then that's your own point of view, but don't tell me it's on the Manga cause it's not, as far as it goes.. Totsuka sword is a legendary weapon (unspecified on how to obtain) and can only be used within Itachi's Susanoo.

Orochimaru's weakness is simply Sharingan users, Kabuto is pretty much an upgraded version of Orochimaru, and he got beaten by Itachi.. simply because both of them are arrogance and they both underestimates their opponents, in a fight against a Sharingan user, last thing you need to be is arrogant.
 
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