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come on man, Pepe already said he was sorry and it wasn't on purpose:rolleyes: it's just his style of play
Dirty and aggressive? He was sarcastic when he apologized and with him its like the story "Never Cry Wolf". he's done it more than one occasion on other players also, so no one will believe him.
 

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These teams are not as heavily reliant on one player, unlike Portugal ;)
There are two types of teams. One that needs a leader as inspiration to push it towards the top - Portugal with CR7, Italy with Pirlo, Ukraine with Shevchenko, Sweden with Ibra ect... were all great examples of that kind during this Euro.

Then we got teams like Spain and Germany who need a team spirit psychology to move forward. There's no leader defined.

France is a good example of a side that lacked team spirit and a leader and despite of a talented side, couldn't do anything.

I don't question your ability. It's a psychological thing which underachieving nations, such as Portugal, England and Holland, have consistently proven that they are unable to overcome.

Plus, your best player won't even be at the peak of his powers ;)
Portugal - Best performance against the Champions in this Euro.
Holland - Did reach WC 2010, so can't that they consistently proven to fail.
England - Was underdogs since the beginning anyways. I do agree on that part but this was really the year where we just couldn't hope for England. Much injuries, new coach, lots of issues ect.....so yeah, just another year to forget for England.

Brasil and Argentina both need more work. Argentina needs a little more help in midfield, and their defence is just a shame. Brasil isn't that bad with defence with Silva/Alves, but they can work on that, midfield is pretty good of theirs (being home will favour them). Germany will remain strong, Portugal may up their game and get at least one proper midfield like Lampard/Gerrard, or even Xavi/Inesita/Pirlo they can have a good run. Uruguay is on the rise. This run may influence Italy also, so expect them to come back stronger in two years time. Netherlands...no comment for now, only time will tell how fast they recover their form.

Indeed Xavi can go, but that time will tell. I hope we up our game defensively and striker wise, its killing us really, we survive this tournament, but WC maybe unfortunate going in like this and many national side will have observed our games like this. Pique/Ramos weren't bad, but just like the entire squad the same goes for these two and thats the Barca/Madrid rivalry it still can be the key to break this national team unfortunately and it depends if Del Bosque is around also. I hope Puyol stays, but this maybe his last season, or he may still play, but somewhere else (smaller league for fun). Puyol helped tense the Madrid/Barca rivalry last year when we won 5-0, so I hope either Xavi/Casillas manage to do this, all tho I see Casillas doing this if anything.
Wow, already thinking about how they'll fare in Brazil lol xd

Lol, we got time for this. Savor this sweet treble instead of focusing too far in the future.

They'll be a strong contender like always in 2014 though. But 2 years may change lots of things.
 

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Dirty and aggressive? He was sarcastic when he apologized and with him its like the story "Never Cry Wolf". he's done it more than one occasion on other players also, so no one will believe him.
i know man, that's why i put the rolleyes thing to indicate sacasm, but i really like pepe and alves agressive play.
 

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The Escorp Final FT Analysis

Spain 4 - 0 Italy

- A big congrats to Spain for a historic treble. Hats off to deliver your biggest performance on this Euro on the final. It's the highest score in a Euro final btw.

- It's really unexpected (before the match) to see such a landslide but Italy - once reduced to 10 - was unable to do anything in this match. Sad that they played with such a handicap during 60 minutes.

- I said before the match that Spain is favorite due to his chance to win this treble and that indeed proved a big difference motivationally.

- As I said before the start, if Spain will win this Euro, it will due to his [add superlative] midfield and that was it. Grandiose performance by Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, Fabregas and Co.

- Another thing, Spain's fatigue factor was a big interrogation and I really thought that Portugal will use that against them. Luck sided them big time then and I knew they were destined then. Forget tiredness and external factors. And I was right - they never seemed as fresh during this final.

- Italy tried in first half but the really goal disrupted their tactic completely. Then came the second goal at a crucial time. And then, the last blow was the injury of Motta and that was the final nail on their coffin IMO. The last 2 goals are just silver lining and more records stat for a record-making Spanish side.

- There was amazing stats where Italy had better possession of ball during half-time and that kinda showed that possession stat don't prove anything; efficiency make all the difference and Spain was notches above Italy. Oh there was a penalty not given to Spain but no one will remember that :p

- Casillas was brilliant on the mere chances Italy got and very authoritative during the set-pieces. I questioned the decision of lack of striker a lot but they were so efficient today that it didn't posed problem. Fabregas did a assist-cross for the first goal to Silva. Iniesta pass to Fabregas was superb - as superb as the pass of Xavi to Alba for 2nd goal.

- Alba was really good (whoever said he was a flop). I think he was perhaps the biggest revelation of this Euro. Really happy for Torres. Goal in 2 finals and an altruist assist to Mata. The rest of La Roja were all well-composed.

- Italy tried as I said but none of their players could do wonders. And I'm a bit sad to criticism them when they clearly couldn't keep hoping after Motta left them.

- Iniesta is the best player of this Euro IMO; followed by Pirlo and CR7. To my list previously posted, I'd like to add a player that I forgot (unfairly perhaps) who is Iker Casillas. Clearly one of the best Spainish in this Euro. I'm going to make a Top 20 soon though; we might discuss it then.

- In the end, I don't have much to say since Spain's victory is so clear-cut in this final. A historic treble by a strong side with a blessed midfield, it says it all.

Nice sum up as always. One thing though, how come you predicted 1-0 to Italy if you knew Spain was destined to win this Euro after beating Portugal on penalties? :rolleyes: I also believed that they were destined to win it after that... and they did.

Wow, already thinking about how they'll fare in Brazil lol xd

Lol, we got time for this. Savor this sweet treble instead of focusing too far in the future.

They'll be a strong contender like always in 2014 though. But 2 years may change lots of things.
I was the one to initialize the World Cup landslide, lol, not Relax:p
 

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Best final of the three I've seen from Spain and probably the best final I saw (World Cup/Eurocup) since France won 3 - 0 from Brazil during the World Cup 1998.
 

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One of the best indeed. Spain showcased what everyone expected and the match was a really memorable one.
 

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come on man, Pepe already said he was sorry and it wasn't on purpose:rolleyes: it's just his style of play
I'm tempted to forward this quote to Rei but I'll resist the temptation xd

Portugal fared really according to me. What they lack is a player in the midfield who plays well offensively and as a offensive playmaker. Their midfield consist of good workers defensively but it lacks that necessary punch to serve the wingers and striker.

And obviously, their biggest need is that of a world-class striker who finishes well and act as a very good pivot for CR7/Nani.
 

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There are two types of teams. One that needs a leader as inspiration to push it towards the top - Portugal with CR7, Italy with Pirlo, Ukraine with Shevchenko, Sweden with Ibra ect... were all great examples of that kind during this Euro.

Then we got teams like Spain and Germany who need a team spirit psychology to move forward. There's no leader defined.

France is a good example of a side that lacked team spirit and a leader and despite of a talented side, couldn't do anything.



Portugal - Best performance against the Champions in this Euro.
Holland - Did reach WC 2010, so can't that they consistently proven to fail.
England - Was underdogs since the beginning anyways. I do agree on that part but this was really the year where we just couldn't hope for England. Much injuries, new coach, lots of issues ect.....so yeah, just another year to forget for England.



Wow, already thinking about how they'll fare in Brazil lol xd

Lol, we got time for this. Savor this sweet treble instead of focusing too far in the future.

They'll be a strong contender like always in 2014 though. But 2 years may change lots of things.
Take out Ronaldo and we'll see how well they'd do. The truth is, that is a serious chunk of their attacking threat removed. Is Ronaldo a true leader? Sure, he carries his team with his outrageous ability. But is he the one to get his team mates going when the going gets tough? I doubt that.

2 Major international trophies between those 3 nations just says it all really. With the talent that they've produced over the years, Holland in particular, that's just pathetic.
 

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I'm tempted to forward this quote to Rei but I'll resist the temptation xd

Portugal fared really according to me. What they lack is a player in the midfield who plays well offensively and as a offensive playmaker. Their midfield consist of good workers defensively but it lacks that necessary punch to serve the wingers and striker.

And obviously, their biggest need is that of a world-class striker who finishes well and act as a very good pivot for CR7/Nani.
i totally agree with you, and maybe with 2 years passed, nelson oliveira, the other striker Portugal had will grow and become a better player
 

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Best final of the three I've seen from Spain and probably the best final I saw (World Cup/Eurocup) since France won 3 - 0 from Brazil during the World Cup 1998.
Probably but it's memorable mostly of the large scoreline.

Fact is we don't always get 2 teams at their best in their best conditions during a National Tournament. Number of factors to explain it but it's like that.

Spain delivered a champion-like performance though. But CL finals are more hard-fought finals IMO. In fact, many Leagues/CL matches can be rated higher than a WC/Euro final but there's so much hype and wait during a National tournament that we are less over-demanding.

And we accept without regrets this kind of final; even if a better opponent could have make this final more nail-biting.

Nice sum up as always. One thing though, how come you predicted 1-0 to Italy if you knew Spain was destined to win this Euro after beating Portugal on penalties? :rolleyes: I also believed that they were destined to win it after that... and they did.

I was the one to initialize the World Cup landslide, lol, not Relax:p
I suck at predictions as I said. As I said, I'm a fair analyst but my scores don't always follow their paths. :p It's like that - don't bother to decipher.

And sorry, ReLax - didn't saw who started it. :p
 

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Wow, already thinking about how they'll fare in Brazil lol xd

Lol, we got time for this. Savor this sweet treble instead of focusing too far in the future.

They'll be a strong contender like always in 2014 though. But 2 years may change lots of things.
Well you see I agreed upon are midfield still being intact :p Xavi, Inesita, Silva, Fadbregas, Mata, Alonso, Busquets...do you see any big impact/change in this?

I'm only pointing out what Spain needs to work for by 2014. And how the Barca/Madrid rivalry turns out.

And sorry, ReLax - didn't saw who started it. :p
lol Np xD
 

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I suck at predictions as I said. As I said, I'm a fair analyst but my scores don't always follow their paths. :p It's like that - don't bother to decipher.

And sorry, ReLax - didn't saw who started it. :p
Haha, got to love your honesty xd:lmao::p

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So, here's the Official Thread for all Euro 2012 discussions. Apart from diverse news and favorite predictions, I'm gonna keep updating this with lots of analysis that I'm known to do. So, for those who love to read my long-ass wallies on Sports, welcome.

And you're obviously welcome to post any of your views on Euro 2012 and the teams.

All spam will be immediately reported though and I consider post on American Football as spam, so beware!

It's been a wonderful journey with lots of great matches... Escorp, when will we get the "Escorp's Best of Euro Special" like you promised?:rolleyes:;)
 
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Take out Ronaldo and we'll see how well they'd do. The truth is, that is a serious chunk of their attacking threat removed. Is Ronaldo a true leader? Sure, he carries his team with his outrageous ability. But is he the one to get his team mates going when the going gets tough? I doubt that.

2 Major international trophies between those 3 nations just says it all really. With the talent that they've produced over the years, Holland in particular, that's just pathetic.
Yes, he was a true leader. There was an aura resonating from the Portuguese thanks to CR7. Players like Meireles suddenly seemed as good as Xavi as he was playing wonderfully. Pepe, Alves, Contrao ect.. all played wonderfully - something they not always do in clubs but the patriotic push was a brilliant catalyst. A push that was on the sole shoulders of CR7.

And Ronaldo really took his captain responsibility well. In each match, you could see encouraging and pushing his team forward. And the way he delivered runs, efforts with his talent forced his teammates to try to play as well as him. Notice how he told to Patricio before Spain shootouts and Patricio stopped Alonso's penalty. That was a Captain duty. He knows how much his words and advice count to his teammates. They are perhaps simple advice or encouragements but it count double when such a player tell you those words; especially before the most nerve-breaking moment in football.

When the sun shines, even useless metals start shining.

Cryuff's Holland was robbed though by Germany and if that crucified them. The remaining players were always good talents but they never got a difference-maker like Cryuff in their ranks again. Robben is just too egoistic. Sneijder, Van Bommel, Seedorf, ect... are just good workers with great skills; not match deciders.

Portugal always got a World-Class player in their ranks but they never got 2 players at once. Eusebio was alone during his times, Figo was alone during his time and kinda same for CR7.

i totally agree with you, and maybe with 2 years passed, nelson oliveira, the other striker Portugal had will grow and become a better player
That guy is poor though. He's not even a starter in his club. how can he improve on the bench. No, they need someone else imo. Even a young player but at least with a more promising future.
 

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Escorps want to know another trend with Spain and Barcelona? Everytime Spain won a major titles the following season Barcelona won UCL :p

Euro 2008 - Spain
CL 08/09 - Barcelona
WC 2010 - Spain
CL 10/11 - Barcelona
Euro 2012 - Spain
CL 12/13 - ??? --- Can we say Barcelona :p
 

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Well you see I agreed upon are midfield still being intact :p Xavi, Inesita, Silva, Fadbregas, Mata, Alonso, Busquets...do you see any big impact/change in this?

I'm only pointing out what Spain needs to work for by 2014. And how the Barca/Madrid rivalry turns out.

lol Np xD
Do I see change? yeah, Mata will play more than 10 minutes probably by 2014 lol xd And perhaps Martinez will take Busquets place by then. Munian will also grow well IMO.

And anyways, we got lots of time to discuss that. We'll see in 2 years how the rivalry will affect it. Till then, I'm really not interested to discuss this right now. Too early IMO.

Haha, got to love your honesty xd:lmao::p

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It's been a wonderful journey with lots of great matches... Escorp, when will we get the "Escorp's Best of Euro Special" like you promised?:rolleyes:;)
Lol, yeah xd

Well, I'll do one tomorrow then. It's late right now and it's better that I do it with a fresh mind. xD
 

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Just noticed i won the contest... indirectly... LOL
Haha, saying at least 2-0 doesn't qualify. You could have meant 4-1, 5-2, 5-1 or 3-0 :p:rolleyes:

@Escorp - Looking forward to it then :p

Escorps want to know another trend with Spain and Barcelona? Everytime Spain won a major titles the following season Barcelona won UCL :p

Euro 2008 - Spain
CL 08/09 - Barcelona
WC 2010 - Spain
CL 10/11 - Barcelona
Euro 2012 - Spain
CL 12/13 - ??? --- Can we say Barcelona :p
No :p Madrid will replace them :zonder:
 
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The Escorp Final FT Analysis

Spain 4 - 0 Italy

- A big congrats to Spain for a historic treble. Hats off to deliver your biggest performance on this Euro on the final. It's the highest score in a Euro final btw.

- It's really unexpected (before the match) to see such a landslide but Italy - once reduced to 10 - was unable to do anything in this match. Sad that they played with such a handicap during 30 minutes.

- I said before the match that Spain is favorite due to his chance to win this treble and that indeed proved a big difference motivationally.

- As I said before the start, if Spain will win this Euro, it will due to his [add superlative] midfield and that was it. Grandiose performance by Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, Fabregas and Co.

- Another thing, Spain's fatigue factor was a big interrogation and I really thought that Portugal will use that against them. Luck sided them big time then and I knew they were destined then. Forget tiredness and external factors. And I was right - they never seemed as fresh during this final.

- Italy tried in first half but the really goal disrupted their tactic completely. Then came the second goal at a crucial time. And then, the last blow was the injury of Motta and that was the final nail on their coffin IMO. The last 2 goals are just silver lining and more records stat for a record-making Spanish side.

- There was amazing stats where Italy had better possession of ball during half-time and that kinda showed that possession stat don't prove anything; efficiency make all the difference and Spain was notches above Italy. Oh there was a penalty not given to Spain but no one will remember that :p

- Casillas was brilliant on the mere chances Italy got and very authoritative during the set-pieces. I questioned the decision of lack of striker a lot but they were so efficient today that it didn't posed problem. Fabregas did a assist-cross for the first goal to Silva. Iniesta pass to Fabregas was superb - as superb as the pass of Xavi to Alba for 2nd goal.

- Alba was really good (whoever said he was a flop). I think he was perhaps the biggest revelation of this Euro. Really happy for Torres. Goal in 2 finals and an altruist assist to Mata. The rest of La Roja were all well-composed.

- Italy tried as I said but none of their players could do wonders. And I'm a bit sad to criticism them when they clearly couldn't keep hoping after Motta left them.

- Iniesta is the best player of this Euro IMO; followed by Pirlo and CR7. To my list previously posted, I'd like to add a player that I forgot (unfairly perhaps) who is Iker Casillas. Clearly one of the best Spainish in this Euro. I'm going to make a Top 20 soon though; we might discuss it then.

- In the end, I don't have much to say since Spain's victory is so clear-cut in this final. A historic treble by a strong side with a blessed midfield, it says it all.

About Alba it was a typically Barcelona hater to say he plead shit this Euro. Analyst that have followed him since the start of this season for Spain have seen him improve. He actually hated RB as he was a winger, but Valencia coach pushed him to a RB, but yet should some good offensive skills and gets betters better defensively I hope he'll learn from Pique/Puyol/Alves.

Casillas was the amazing. He kept us a live and he had a scare VS Croatia if it wasn't for him.

Italy tried lot, but the big thing was and i was shock. Del Bosque and Spain didn't fight for possession, matter of fact the second they got the ball they went straight for the kill TBH. This is what I have a feeling caught Italy off guard, as it was least expected. They rarely played many pass backs and took the most of their chances. I guess they were hungry for this and I wanted to end it asap. Also one of the Italians CB just return from injury and another went out to one in the 20th minute.

Torres is now 22-1-0 for Spain whenever he scores :p

Ineista deserve Man Of The Tournament.

This my top ten:

1. Inesita
2. Xavi (the final speaks for itself)
3. Pirlo
4. Silva (his was pretty much the winning goal)
5. Ronaldo
6. Casillas
7. Balotelli (Germany victory was huge)
8. Ozil (He did good VS Greece/Italy)
9. Alba (Needs to be on this list)
10. Fabregas (come on some credit, false #9 did two big roles in both games with Italy).
 
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