Naruto's Speed.

[Οdin]

no matter how fast the running speed it cannot be instananeous. It can be close to instantaneous but it cant be instantaneous like ftg.

What's your definition of 'instant'?

He's fast i give him that only because of the fox but he can be dodged & if he is faster than minato as u ppl say then someone else will hold the most fast reaction ever but naruto isn't faster thn minato not even guy

Naruto can't be dodged IMO. I don't think even Minato can dodged him. Remember that speed is one thing and reflex is another.

 

[Stark]

Naruto is pretty fast

 

[Zavage10]

I don't count minatos FTG as speed

 

[ShishaMastah420]

This is a result of Sasuke's Sharingan... Not his Speed.

but his body was able to react to it if you remember what lee told him in part 1

IMO,His eyes reacted, from what i'm seeing, they both look like their in a stationary position and Sasuke just adjust his head position to dodge Raikage's Elbow, due to his Sharingan.

Again, raikage was not in v2 at the time.


@op reaction time and speed are completely different things.

Km naruto's reaction time=minatos reaction time>tobi's reaction time
Minato's speed > Km naruto's speed > raikage's

I know this is, this is why i went ahead and did "Speed/Reaction" even though the too are different, they go hand in hand.

In order for you to have have good reaction, you must have good speed.

Unless you're some type of sensor or you possess a Sharingan.

 

[Styles]

Dude -_- sasuke has adapted that speed by himself not the sharangan he used it to see the movements but long b4 tht he made himself as fast as lee & he was consider passed chuunin lvl & think of him all the way up to cm it increased his speed plus the full power cm did u see him vs dei he would have sliced tobi if there was a sec. less when he used tht j. & now sasuke speed is probably at lee in 8 gates he would have slice raikage when he swifted behind him if the lightning armor wasn't on

yea i know i was talking about sasukes reaction speed if raikage was the fastest shinobi and sasuke held his own against him then sasuke if pretty darn fast with good reaction speed and sasuke only got faster

 

[Styles]

IMO,His eyes reacted, from what i'm seeing, they both look like their in a stationary position and Sasuke just adjust his head position to dodge Raikage's Elbow, due to his Sharingan.

and his body was able to react to raikages speed

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

So i'm re-reading the Manga... and I'm on Chapter 544, and i see that Kishi seems to be making some kind of comparison between Minato's FTG Speed/Reaction and Naruto's KM Mode Speed/Reaction.
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Minato's FTG Speed/Reaction against Raikage's Full Power;

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Here we see Raikage attacking Naruto with Intent to Kill and at Full Speed;

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Here we see Naruto dodge, Raikage's attack;

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Here we see that Minato's Speed/Reaction is on par if not greater than Tobi's Speed/Reaction;

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(A)What i am questioning is, Does Naruto's Speed/Reaction in KM Mode=Minato's FTG?

(B)If Naruto's KM Mode Speed/Reaction=Minato's FTG Speed/Reaction then, does that mean Naruto is on par with Tobi in terms of Speed/Reaction.?

If A and B then What Chance does Sasuke stand against such speeds?

honestly theres no conceivable reason why naruto's reflexes suddenly jumped up to be on par with minato besides the fact that kishi wanted it that way, the kyuubi chakra doesnt augment reflexes like raiton body flicker does

i guess if you want to really stretch, you could say that minato's reflexes got better over time because his mind had to acclimate to using an instantaneous teleportation technique, and narutos extremely high speed means his mind has to acclimate to that as well, even though he literally just got km...so you see the hole in that


but w/e, kishis will be done :worshippy:

and his body was able to react to raikages speed

you mistake reaction speed for common sense and general awareness, raikage disappeared from sasukes sight using V2 lightning armour, sasuke, being clever as he is, immediately put up a sheild of amaterasu flame around himself as a defensive measure, raikage saw this, slowed down, then sasuke's eyes looked at him, in the only spot he could have been, behind him

 

[ItachiSan03]

he was still fighting sasuke with an intent to kill and used v2 later on wen he was attacking
naruto he had an intent to kill but wasn't in v2 by how it looks in the manga

At the time that sasuke dosged him raikage was in v1 and later on went v2, and sasuke's sharingan let alone reflexes couldnt keep up with him.

Raikage said it was his full speed attack against naruto, so he was in v2.

What's your definition of 'instant'?

Naruto can't be dodged IMO. I don't think even Minato can dodged him. Remember that speed is one thing and reflex is another.

Speed of light. Minato's jutsu is a s/t jutsu, it's a teleportation. Instant, as in 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds.

I don't count minatos FTG as speed

As far as i'm concerned speed is how fast you can get from point A to point B.

 

[Οdin]

and his body was able to react to raikages speed

Raikage V1 is not as fast as you think. Sasuke used his Sharingan to read the Raikage's movement and then moved his head to evade and attack. Oh, and Sasuke can't see or react to Raikage V2 - not even his Sharingan can keep up.

Speed of light. Minato's jutsu is a s/t jutsu, it's a teleportation. Instant, as in 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds.

Instant is not necessarily to move at the speed of light. So I'll keep my opinion about Naruto moving instantly.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Naruto surpassed Minato in speed and rasengan and Sasuke will get a power-up soon which will counter Narutos speed

sasuke will be able to slowdown time - or
he will become like neo from the matrix

 

[Οdin]

sasuke will be able to slowdown time - or
he will become like neo from the matrix

No he won't. His Sharingan can't even see or react to Raikage V2.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

and his body was able to react to raikages speed

I know his body did, but how can you judge his speed based off of movement which is primarily a result of his eyes?

Remember the Sharingan;

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The Sharingan's second-most prominent ability grants the user an incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to easily recognise genjutsu and different forms of chakra, though not to the same extent as the Byakugan. This also allows the user to pick up on subtle details, enabling them to read lip movements[4] or mimic something like pencil movements.[5] As the Sharingan evolves, gaining more tomoe seals, this ability extends to being able to track fast-moving objects before finally giving some amount of predictive capabilities to the user, allowing them to see the image of an attacker’s next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body and counterattack or dodge without any wasted movement

 

[ItachiSan03]

Raikage V1 is not as fast as you think. Sasuke used his Sharingan to read the Raikage's movement and then moved his head to evade and attack. Oh, and Sasuke can't see or react to Raikage V2 - not even his Sharingan can keep up.



Instant is not necessarily to move at the speed of light. So I'll keep my opinion about Naruto moving instantly.

@bold yes finally someone who understands.

Well that's my opinion on instant, you can keep yours. :ice:

 

[LegendaryAce]

No he won't. His Sharingan can't even see or react to Raikage V2.

would you be suprised if he ends up with a sharingan tech to slow down time or to read movements before they happen? or something along those lines?

i dont see any other way to counter naruto's raw bm speed

 

[Οdin]

@bold yes finally someone who understands.

Well that's my opinion on instant, you can keep yours. :ice:

LOL Enjoy. :ice:

would you be suprised if he ends up with a sharingan tech to slow down time or to read movements before they happen? or something along those lines?

i dont see any other way to counter naruto's raw bm speed

Remember Raikage V2 vs. Sasuke? Sasuke used an Amaterasu covered Susano'o to protect himself... since he could not read or react to the Raikage's movements. I guess that would be the counter to Naruto's speed. IMO.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

honestly theres no conceivable reason why naruto's reflexes suddenly jumped up to be on par with minato besides the fact that kishi wanted it that way, the kyuubi chakra doesnt augment reflexes like raiton body flicker does

i guess if you want to really stretch, you could say that minato's reflexes got better over time because his mind had to acclimate to using an instantaneous teleportation technique, and narutos extremely high speed means his mind has to acclimate to that as well, even though he literally just got km...so you see the hole in that


but w/e, kishis will be done :worshippy:

Maybe it's a result of the Enhanced Sensory abilities Kurama's Chakra gives which resulted in Naruto's spike in Reaction Time.

as for the Speed, IMO, more Chakra=Faster you can move.

The only real problem that i have with this is Naruto is able to control the speed in no time.

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

Maybe it's a result of the Enhanced Sensory abilities Kurama's Chakra gives which resulted in Naruto's spike in Reaction Time.

as for the Speed, IMO, more Chakra=Faster you can move.

The only real problem that i have with this is Naruto is able to control the speed in no time.

dont think so, that ability was also shared by mito and neither one of those instances gave examples of heightened reaction time, only the ability to sense intentions as tobi said, so im inclined not to think that

and, well yea, naruto is basically using a juiced up shunshin by channeling kyuubi chakra into his speed, physically speaking hes undoubtedly the fastest ninja alive, but his reaction time is just absurd to me, like he unlocked a well of chakra and suddenly all his mental capacity/awareness shoots through the roof? if there was ever a troll from kishi that would be it

 

[Styles]

I know his body did, but how can you judge his speed based off of movement which is primarily a result of his eyes?

Remember the Sharingan;

because the sharingan made him able to read the movements but if he was slow he would have never been able to counterattack

 

[ShishaMastah420]

dont think so, that ability was also shared by mito and neither one of those instances gave examples of heightened reaction time, only the ability to sense intentions as tobi said, so im inclined not to think that

and, well yea, naruto is basically using a juiced up shunshin by channeling kyuubi chakra into his speed, physically speaking hes undoubtedly the fastest ninja alive, but his reaction time is just absurd to me, like he unlocked a well of chakra and suddenly all his mental capacity/awareness shoots through the roof? if there was ever a troll from kishi that would be it

IMO,the ability to Sense Intentions= Enhanced Sensory Abilities=Enhanced Reaction Time due to being able to sense the intentions of whomever or whatever you are facing.

What instances are you talking about BTW?

because the sharingan made him able to read the movements but if he was slow he would have never been able to counterattack

IMO, i think the amount of time he had to move,due to his Sharingan Tracking&Predicting skills, is what helped him dodge Raikage's elbow, not his speed.

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

IMO,the ability to Sense Intentions= Enhanced Sensory Abilities=Enhanced Reaction Time due to being able to sense the intentions of whomever or whatever you are facing.

What instances are you talking about BTW?




IMO, i think the amount of time he had to move,due to his Sharingan Tracking&Predicting skills, is what helped him dodge Raikage's elbow, not his speed.

even if we considered naruto's sensing of intentions as an advanced sensory technique, which i personally dont, all that means is he has insight into his opponents feelings rather than their chakra signature, which may be useful in detecting hidden enemies, but in a one on one fight i dont think it would aid him anymore than the average sensor and wouldnt help him predict movement either, let alone against raikages v2 speed, which he reacted with reflexes against, not awareness of his opponents intentions, there was no time for that

and by instances i was just referring to mito/naruto being able to sense feelings in general, sorry if i wasnt clear