Madara > Tobi

[ItachiSan03]

Corpses are needed for the 6 paths.

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It is unclear whether akatsuki kept the corpses.
However since Kabuto used Edo Tensei to revive them, I doubt they had the corpses.

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So infact Tobi could not use the jinchuriki without kabuto actually giving him the physical bodies.

Im thinking tobi gave the corpses to kabuto, how else would kabuto have found it?

 

[Stark]

Then the only two people to control Kurama have used base Sharingans, though it was stated that MS is required. I think Kishi's trolling us...but yeah I'll accept what you said I guess

Yeah, +rep for good info though.

 

[Cerox0]

Im thinking tobi gave the corpses to kabuto, how else would kabuto have found it?

I'm not kishi, that's like asking where did he get every other corpse in less then a year + mastering SM.

 

[Icelerate]

I have to go with Madara for now but I don't think we have seen Tobi's full powers yet.

 

[Gatsuuga]

I stand by what I said in another thread

What has Madara shown that can hit Tobi when he is in Ghost mode?

Madara might seem like a god in many peoples eyes, but having the largest techniques doesn't mean sh!t if they can't actually hit the opponent.

 

[Stark]

I stand by what I said in another thread

What has Madara shown that can hit Tobi when he is in Ghost mode?

Madara might seem like a god in many peoples eyes, but having the largest techniques doesn't mean sh!t if they can't actually hit the opponent.

For all we know Madara can use that soul steal Rinnengan technique.

 

[TobisPawn]

Corpses are needed for the 6 paths.

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It is unclear whether akatsuki kept the corpses.
However since Kabuto used Edo Tensei to revive them, I doubt they had the corpses.

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So infact Tobi could not use the jinchuriki without kabuto actually giving him the physical bodies.

Can't Tobi really just use any dead body if he intends on having the Jink go full Bijuu transformation? Unless he intends to use the base Jinchuurikis and their Ninjutsu.

For all we know Madara can use that soul steal Rinnengan technique.

Can't hit Tobi when he's intangible. :shrug:

 

[SilentShinobi]

in my opinion minato>tobi sorta................so either way madara>minato which means madara>tobi....if that makes sense

 

[Cerox0]

Can't Tobi really just use any dead body if he intends on having the Jink go full Bijuu transformation? Unless he intends to use the base Jinchuurikis and their Ninjutsu.

That's debatable, for there is no proof that you can put a living spirit (Bijuu) in a dead corpse.

Which is completely opposite to a reanimated body which is undead.

Can't hit Tobi when he's intangible. :shrug:

It's not that simple, before it was in the manga I'm sure you'd say Minato could never touch tobi.

As Itachi said, every jutsu has a weakness.The biggest weakness shown is he relies on it so much when he becomes solid again he's screwed (hence minato)

 

[Bijuu13]

If you do not believe you are ignorant..

Madara: Madara is the most powerful Uchiha to ever live, the only person in the Uchiha clan to match his power is his brother Izuna. Even he is no match for him, but he is long dead now. He also seems to know the seal to break away from Edo Tensei.

Madara is the closest person to the SO6P, he has vast knowledge of jutsu and knows a variety of ninjutsu as well. Madara has the Sharingan, EMS, and Rinnengan, not to mention wood release. He fought and survived a fight with Hashirama Senju and controlled the 9 Tails with his Sharingan.


Tobi: Tobi is probably the third strongest ninja maybe fourth after Hashirama. Tobi has the Sharingan and Rinnengan and has shown the ability to use the paths. Not much is known about Tobi, whether he is an Uchiha or not is a mystery as well..

He controlled the 9 Tails with his Sharingan and attacked the leaf village. He fought on equal standing with Minato losing to him at the end.
Tobi has space time ninjutsu and an odd ability to regenerate limbs.


Now the real question is, who do you think is stronger? Vote and debate below.

Madara: Sharingan, Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnengan, Wood Release, Preta Path, Perfect Susanoo.

Tobi: Sharingan, Rinnengan, Space Time Ninjutsu, Preta path and Paths of pain.

Madara is the stronger of the two, but he isnt better at all. Tobi would win

 

[TobisPawn]

That's debatable, for there is no proof that you can put a living spirit (Bijuu) in a dead corpse.

Which is completely opposite to a reanimated body which is undead.

Ah, you're right. I missed that. I wonder if its possible to seal Bijuus into dead bodies with chakra flowing through them though (through Tobi). On that note, can Tobi summon the Bijuus without the use of his Jinchuuriki Paths? I think he can, but he wouldn't be able to control as many at once since he'd have to use his Sharingan on the Bijuus individually.

But I'm assuming that we'd give Tobi his Paths anyways, seeing that we're giving Madara all of his Edo Tensei boosts.

It's not that simple, before it was in the manga I'm sure you'd say Minato could never touch tobi.

As Itachi said, every jutsu has a weakness.The biggest weakness shown is he relies on it so much when he becomes solid again he's screwed (hence minato)

True. But I was just pointing out that the Human Path wont work on Tobi if he's intangible. Nor will Gedo Mazo's soul ripping dragons (though I'd assume Tobi's in control of Gedo Mazo through feats) since they can also be absorbed (?) if Tobi doesn't decide to go intangible. Also, Tobi now has the Rinnegan to complement his S/T techs, so it'd be even harder to hit him regardless (intangibility + Shinra Tensei combo?).

As for the Minato thing: Well, Minato's abilities completely passed my mind a few chapters after reading Kakashi's past, so I wouldn't have thought of it anyway. xd

in my opinion minato>tobi sorta................so either way madara>minato which means madara>tobi....if that makes sense

Minato > Rinnegan Tobi with Gedo Mazo and 7 Bijuus?

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[UzumakiNaruto20]

Edo Madara as you can see is breaking away from Edo, Kabuto would shit bricks. As for the Kage situation, Madara was toying with the current 5 Kage. So if he chooses to be serious he would end them immediately. 50 Mokuton clones using Susanoo sound good to me.. Also meteors from the sky.. Is Itachi going to seal them before they hit ground? Please...

lol is this a joke? If he had to pull out his ultimate jutsu then obviously he was getting serious. 50 Mokuton clones would spread his chakra out too thin, which would be dangerous against all those edos. And meteors from the sky? Why would Itachi seal them if he is an immortal edo? It's not like they are going to do anything:flaw:

Like I said before your logic fails. And I also said that Prime Kabuto includes Edo Madara so he is still #1.

 

[Cerox0]

Ah, you're right. I missed that. I wonder if its possible to seal Bijuus into dead bodies with chakra flowing through them though (through Tobi). On that note, can Tobi summon the Bijuus without the use of his Jinchuuriki Paths? I think he can, but he wouldn't be able to control as many at once since he'd have to use his Sharingan on the Bijuus individually.

But I'm assuming that we'd give Tobi his Paths anyways, seeing that we're giving Madara all of his Edo Tensei boosts.

Pretty sure he can, but I guess he just wanted the 6 Paths so he could add The Sharingan/rinne eyes into them to increase their strenght.

True. But I was just pointing out that the Human Path wont work on Tobi if he's intangible. Nor will Gedo Mazo's soul ripping dragons (though I'd assume Tobi's in control of Gedo Mazo through feats) since they can also be absorbed (?) if Tobi doesn't decide to go intangible. Also, Tobi now has the Rinnegan to complement his S/T techs, so it'd be even harder to hit him regardless (intangibility + Shinra Tensei combo?).

As for the Minato thing: Well, Minato's abilities completely passed my mind a few chapters after reading Kakashi's past, so I wouldn't have thought of it anyway. xd

We don't know if Tobi can use rinne techniques, because he couldn't even make his 6 Jin Paths use them and he only has 1 Rinne eye.
Yes he can use Gedo Mazo but it's just control like he does with the beast,
we'll just have to wait and see U_U

But I agree with your response to avoiding Human path, although I wonder if Preta path would work on S/T. Though I doubt it XD

 

[TobisPawn]

Pretty sure he can, but I guess he just wanted the 6 Paths so he could add The Sharingan/rinne eyes into them to increase their strenght.

Mhmm

We don't know if Tobi can use rinne techniques, because he couldn't even make his 6 Jin Paths use them and he only has 1 Rinne eye.
Yes he can use Gedo Mazo but it's just control like he does with the beast,
we'll just have to wait and see U_U

But I agree with your response to avoiding Human path, although I wonder if Preta path would work on S/T. Though I doubt it XD

He could have used the Rinnegan techs in his Paths but decided not to because Kakashi and Gai already had counters so it'd be a waste of chakra, haha

 

[Cerox0]

He could have used the Rinnegan techs in his Paths but decided not to because Kakashi and Gai already had counters so it'd be a waste of chakra, haha

I re-read and it's true, +Rep.

However allow me to add a small edit to what you said.

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If he did use the tech's, he'd waste important chakra needed to control the beasts.
So despite whatever counters Konoha may or may not have, even if Tobi succeded or failed with rinne technique's he'd lose control of them and it is not simply just because they have counters.

(I believe
O_O)

 

[TobisPawn]

I re-read and it's true, +Rep.

However allow me to add a small edit to what you said.

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If he did use the tech's, he'd waste important chakra needed to control the beasts.
So despite whatever counters Konoha may or may not have, even if Tobi succeded or failed with rinne technique's he'd lose control of them and it is not simply just because they have counters.

(I believe
O_O)

Maybe, maybe. I think it'd depend on the scale of the Rinnegan tech too, though. Like I don't think absorbing a small Rasengan will cause the Bijuus to go out of control, but using Chibaku Tensei surely might.

 

[Cerox0]

Maybe, maybe. I think it'd depend on the scale of the Rinnegan tech too, though. Like I don't think absorbing a small Rasengan will cause the Bijuus to go out of control, but using Chibaku Tensei surely might.

True Lol.

Off topic: What does it matter what we talk about? :| clearly if we don't have madara in every sentance it's not important on NB,

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Lmao xD

 

[arv993]

Not including SO6P, Tobi's third or fourth? Behind Hashirama? The hell? And you're forgetting that Madara used an MS to control Kurama whereas Tobi only needed a 3-tomoe. And the fact that Tobi can control perfect Jinchuurikis via Genjutsu. And you should put Gedo Mazo next to Tobi's abilities if you're putting P.Susanoo separately.

I'd put it more like:
1. Kabuto (Edo Madara)
2. Tobi
3. Edo Madara

Anyways, Madara is stronger (power wise) but I'd bet on Tobi if they fought.



The fodders didn't even counter them, pal. And Madara doesn't have prep time nor does he have 600 billion explosives and intel on Tobi's S/T techs. And Tobi has the Rinnegan now. I really don't understand your logic sometimes.

None of Madara's "ninja skills" mean anything when Tobi can go intangible. Neither does
large scale Ninjutsu mean anything.

madara also used regular sharingan to control kyuubi i have showed u this b4 but oh well

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large scale ninjutsu are useless on tobi but madara can use hashi's substitution jutsu that only madara's eyes is capable of looking through. its a good counter to tobi's s/t when he is trying absorb madara.

IMO madara and tobi are on similar levels and dont really kno if one can easily trump the other

 

[Stark]

Madara's intellect and raw power is to much for Tobi

 

[arv993]

Madara's intellect and raw power is to much for Tobi

tobi too has vast knowledge and raw power is not useful against him either. But madras has a few techs that can work on Toni tho