Thank you, I have been working on this theory for a long time that sasuke is in fact not evil but is simply taking his brothers stance and is working almost like a double agent.Nice point bro you sure know how to sustain your argument
What crimes did Sasuke do ?
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It doesn't matter that Danzo was a scumbag and that everybody hated him. He was still a canidate to be Hokage killing him is a serious crime. As for the Samurai yeah they attacked first and he warned them but tell me if you went to the UN wouldn't the guards attack you. Killing them would be a crime.
Yes ninja are killers but so are soldiers. They also have laws and codes. If a soldier kills the men in his unit that is still a crime.
It doesn't matter what his intenions are he is a serious criminal and a criminal who saves the world is still a criminal. People are going to demand his execution. Tsunade would have to order his imediete death for his crimes. If you break into someone's house and try to drag someone off but fail that is still a crime. He tried to kidnap Killer Bee. There is no getting off the hook for Sasuke and you are kidding yourself if you believe for one second he could get a pardon. This thread is a joke. A murderer who saves people is still a murderer. Ninja work for governments, Sasuke works for terrorists who are responsible for many crimes against every nation.
Yes ninja are killers but so are soldiers. They also have laws and codes. If a soldier kills the men in his unit that is still a crime.
It doesn't matter what his intenions are he is a serious criminal and a criminal who saves the world is still a criminal. People are going to demand his execution. Tsunade would have to order his imediete death for his crimes. If you break into someone's house and try to drag someone off but fail that is still a crime. He tried to kidnap Killer Bee. There is no getting off the hook for Sasuke and you are kidding yourself if you believe for one second he could get a pardon. This thread is a joke. A murderer who saves people is still a murderer. Ninja work for governments, Sasuke works for terrorists who are responsible for many crimes against every nation.
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Well do u remember Sasuke was INSIDE the Kage summit which is FORBIDDEN to anyone but the Kages and the body guards. Its tresspassing at the very least. Also Sasuke had previously attacked Kumokagure while wearing akatusuki cloak, so how are the bodyguard Samurai are suppose react to wanted criminal in a forbidden place threatening them?
If Sasuke wanted to kill Danzo only he could have ambushed Danzo on the road like these guys in this page:
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Or is Sakue fool not to realise that in the Summit there will be heavy guard and other Kages (including Raikage whose village he attacked previously) who may react with hostility which may result into innocent deaths.Plus See:
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Sasuke said: 'We will go to that meeting and kill all the Kages'
He had the intention of attacking all the Kage's in the first place.
You are blind if u say Sakura was there at the end of the fight and Sasuke saw him with Sharingan cos see the chain of events:
1. Sasuke stabs Karin:
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2. Sasuke dis activated Sharingan and Tobi comes to take Shisui eye:
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3. Danzo explode:
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While at the same time.......
Sakura puts his escort to sleep after they detect Sasuke:
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4. Tobi asks to kill Karin if she is no longer useful and disappear:
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5. Sasuke about to kill Karin:
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6. Sakura screams from far away on the bridge and Sasuke looks at her irritated:
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7. Sakura surprised by Sasuke's looks and to wonders what a bleeding girl doing near sasuke:
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8. Sasuke asks Sakura to kill Karin to prove his loyal to him:
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9 Sakura facing karin and Sasuke trying to kill Sakura from behind:
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So u see your theory is not at all valid as:
1. Sakura was rather far away when Sasuke stabbed Karin.
2. Sasuke himself was going to kill karin when Sakura screamed from far away.
3. Sasuke asked Sakura to kill Karin and immediately after tried to kill Sakura.
4. Why did Sasuke looked angry and surprised when Saura screamed if he had seen her?
5. Why if Sasuke knew Sakura was there, didnt ask her to come out to help when tobi had disappeared? Instead he wished Karin farewell and was preparing to strike.
6. Why Sasuke asks Sakura to kill karin and immediately prepare to kill Sakura, if he planned have sukura heal Karin?
7. Why Sasuke doesnt ask Tobi to take Karin too or come back for her if he at all cared for Karin?
8. Why was Sakura surprised to see Sasuke if she was watching the fight or repeated wondering who was karin?
9 If Sakura was watching wldnt Kishi shown that?
So my friend ur defense of Sasuke for stabbing Karin was ridiculous.
Hmm quite right . . . but in these pages:
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- Taka and Akatusuki merge2.
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- Sasuke asks what is his share in the game and Tobi reveals that its the BijuSo practically Akatusuki and Taka cut a deal to help each other out.
But then Sasuke abandoned akatusuki after Sasuke tried to kidnapped Bee, which wld atleast amount to attempted Kidnap and murder (Attempt to kill and kidnap is still a crime) and stealing of a countries most powerful weapon. So if u rob a bank with a gang and then leave that gang, are u gona be considered innocent?
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Well do u remember Sasuke was INSIDE the Kage summit which is FORBIDDEN to anyone but the Kages and the body guards. Its tresspassing at the very least. Also Sasuke had previously attacked Kumokagure while wearing akatusuki cloak, so how are the bodyguard Samurai are suppose react to wanted criminal in a forbidden place threatening them?
I agree, this is absolutely true. But they only noticed that he was there by zetsu notifying everybody and putting the place on high alert. In addition he was only there to save his team from being attacked
If Sasuke wanted to kill Danzo only he could have ambushed Danzo on the road like these guys in this page:You must be registered for see linksOr is Sakue fool not to realise that in the Summit there will be heavy guard and other Kages (including Raikage whose village he attacked previously) who may react with hostility which may result into innocent deaths.
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Sasuke said: 'We will go to that meeting and kill all the Kages'
He had the intention of attacking all the Kage's in the first place.
Sasuke is many things but stupid is not one of them. He was being threatened by tobi and I can not know this for sure but I would think that sasuke would say anything he could to get out of that situation since none of his teams abilities would affect tobi.
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So then you have Karin and Sungetsu going and blabbing about what they could do to target Danzo directly, while Zetsu is there. Sasuke tries to shut them up by having Karin focus on the guards. aka not getting caught. Of course Zetsu not leaving anything to chance ensures that the kages find him.(more then likely on Tobi's orders)
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After Tobi saves him.... He can now be assured that Tobi is trying to use him like Oro did. But he still didn't know if what Tobi said was true so he wanted to find out anyways. Thus he asks Danzo directly....
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You are blind if u say Sakura was there at the end of the fight and Sasuke saw him with Sharingan cos see the chain of events:
1. Sasuke stabs Karin:You must be registered for see links
2. Sasuke dis activated Sharingan and Tobi comes to take Shisui eye:You must be registered for see links
3. Danzo explode:You must be registered for see links
While at the same time.......
Sakura puts his escort to sleep after they detect Sasuke:You must be registered for see links
4. Tobi asks to kill Karin if she is no longer useful and disappear:You must be registered for see links
5. Sasuke about to kill Karin:You must be registered for see links
6. Sakura screams from far away on the bridge and Sasuke looks at her irritated:You must be registered for see links
7. Sakura surprised by Sasuke's looks and to wonders what a bleeding girl doing near sasuke:You must be registered for see links
8. Sasuke asks Sakura to kill Karin to prove his loyal to him:You must be registered for see links
9 Sakura facing karin and Sasuke trying to kill Sakura from behind:You must be registered for see links
So u see your theory is not at all valid as:
1. Sakura was rather far away when Sasuke stabbed Karin.
Only a Half a mile
2. Sasuke himself was going to kill karin when Sakura screamed from far away.
This was an act because he didn't know the full extent of Tobi's powers Plus he knew he must have known he was tagged with Zetsu keeping an eye on him.
3. Sasuke asked Sakura to kill Karin and immediately after tried to kill Sakura.
An act to gain Tobi's trust
4. Why did Sasuke looked angry and surprised when Saura screamed if he had seen her?
An Act
5. Why if Sasuke knew Sakura was there, didnt ask her to come out to help when tobi had disappeared? Instead he wished Karin farewell and was preparing to strike.
Didn't know Tobi's abilities and Knew Zetsu was watching
6. Why Sasuke asks Sakura to kill karin and immediately prepare to kill Sakura, if he planned have sukura heal Karin?
An Act
7. Why Sasuke doesnt ask Tobi to take Karin too or come back for her if he at all cared for Karin?
Why Ask her to not move if he didn't care. Also Why would he intentionally let Kahona nin. take her if he was truly their enemy?
8. Why was Sakura surprised to see Sasuke if she was watching the fight or repeated wondering who was karin?
Okay I reread the chapter and she wasn't "watching" but she was in the area and no dojitsu to help her.
9 If Sakura was watching wldnt Kishi shown that?
Already conceded that point, thx for correcting me
Now. As for the chain of events. These event are meant to be happening simultaneously, we both can agree on that. So the debate is what happen when. In which none of us can really say how long it took for one event to happen and the next event to begin. However look at it like this....
Take another look at sasuke's right eye
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You must be registered for see links- To my knowledge Sasuke is not blind in that eye... its just hard to draw details
So his MS was active at the time tobi came for the eye. Now as Danzo is stumbling away about to explode while you have Kiba announcing that he has found sasuke 1 km away... that's 1093 yards. (That's about half a mile) Not close enough to be involved in a battle but definitively close enough to know a battle is going on.
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Now this is the MS, which is not a normal dojitsu eye. We know that a normal sharingun can sense chakara in great detail, down to the very nature type. However it dosn't have a extensive "chakara sensory" range... this is the main reason for karin.
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Now I will admit this is where I might be totally wrong on this point and we can debate this. But I am under the assumption that the EMS has a greater field of "chakara sensory" because of the increased power of the eye itself. Now do not get me wrong I am not saying that the EMS has the same level of detail or even can be compared to the Beykugan in that it can "see through walls".
But I am suggesting that it is at least plausible that Sasuke's activated EMS could have at least detect another presence of chakara in the area and since he is so familiar with Sakura's chakara he at least knew that he could trust her to take care of Karin's wounds. This would also explain why he decided to attack her when she got close because he knew Kakashi was also in the area to "save her"
Now why go through all this? Because as I said previously. Sasuke distrust Tobi and he knows Tobi distrust him but needs him for something. If we can both agree that the reg.Sharengun can see chakara in great detail then it should be easy enough for the MS to see Zetsu spores. Now if one knows that you can't defeat an enemy with pure power, and you can't run away, and you can't say or do anything because you are being watched, how best to utilize that situation? You must put on an act and pretend. Which means If Sasuke wanted to supperate himself from his team (who he though of fondly of and wished no harm to come to them) how best to do it then the heat of battle? aka why he rushed into battle after being exposed.
In addition If he intended to kill Karin why did Sasuke ask her not to move? The only rational explanation is that He did not want to hit a vital that would kill her nor did he want Danzo to hurt her. If he was as evil as everyone thinks then why did he even feel the need to utter don't move. He could have just as easily decapitated her and Danzo as well, but he didn't. But he knew Tobi was dangerous and the only way to portect himself and his team was to separate himself and was to get closer to tobi. This entire battle was nothing more then a show.
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Hmm quite right . . . but in these pages:
1.You must be registered for see links- Taka and Akatusuki merge (What???)
2.You must be registered for see links- Sasuke asks what is his share in the game and Tobi reveals that its the Biju
So practically Akatusuki and Taka cut a deal to help each other out.
But then Sasuke abandoned akatusuki after Sasuke tried to kidnapped Bee, which wld atleast amount to attempted Kidnap and murder (Attempt to kill and kidnap is still a crime) and stealing of a countries most powerful weapon. So if u rob a bank with a gang and then leave that gang, are u gona be considered innocent?
Interesting point.
You must be registered for see links- Sasuke feels safe with Tobi
Because Sasuke feels safe, since Tobi saved his life and reviled the truth about Itachi he is willing to admit that he wants to eliminate the Leaf's Top Brass... lol Danzo Included.
Now Tobi then plays coy and states that His goals and Sasuke's goals are the same and then automatically forms an alliance stating that they and Hawk will move as one.You must be registered for see links- same goals
Now does this mean anything to you?You must be registered for see links- Sasuke feels threatened with Tobi
When sasuke asks why he would want to help them Tobi offers the 8 tails (which he has no intention of giving up) Then as soon as Sasuke asks about Naruto this tips off Tobi and he immediately establishes that Akastki will go after Naruto on their own, simultaneously Sasuke finds out that Naruto is actually safe.
In addition I will now go back to my original point and state that Sasuke did this all under duress. He knew Tobi was powerful, he wanted to portect his team, and He knew almost nothing about Tobi's abilities or anything much about his goals. This makes for a dangerous situation.
Phew I feel like I just ran a marathon! I hope I answered all your points Great ideas! ++ rep
Sadly Sauke didnt have an EMS then also Sharingan cant see further than a normal eye not to mention the fact that Sasuke disactivated the Sharingan after killing Danzo. Also Sasuke does not care about Karin. Plus Tobi gave the choice of Killing Karin IF she was no longer useful, Sasuke decided that Karin is no longer useful and still decided to kill her. Also note that an act wld not satisfy Tobi or Zetsu he really wld have to kill them. As for leaving Karin to Konoha ninja? She was no longer useful remember? Also what about Jugo and Segetsu? If he cared he might have mentioned them at least once.
Also if u say half a mile remember that they were in a forest and trees block your view. And as a sharingan has a only a normal penetrative power of a regular eye, the was no freaking way he cld have seen her, plus he was facing the opposite way Sakura came from.
Also to refresh ur memory a bit:
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Sasuke himself telling Hawk about his 'plans' . . . . He was in no way forced if u see the earlier pages.
So i go back to my original point, If some hig class criminal kidnaps u and ask u to do some criminal activities and if your really interested in keeping ur self innocent are u gona follow those orders?
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U will see how loving and caring Sasuke is to people who cared for him.
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Sasuke's "crimes" to the shinobi world?:
-Killed Oro an S rank criminal ("good")
-Killed Deidara an S-rank criminal("good")
-Killed Itachi another S-rank criminal("good")
-Tried to capture Bee (bad)
-killed some samurai(self defense)
-fought with the kage(self defense)
-Killed Danzo ("good", Danzo was already booted from kage position and considered a criminal for his actions at the summit)
-Tried to kill Sakura and Kakashi (technically they were trying to kill him too)
-Helped stop Edo Tensei(very good)
If I were to be a defense for Sasuke, he doesn't have much blood on his hands and has actually done the shinobi world a lot of favors. He's killed more akatsuki than anyone else and stopped edo tensei.
-Killed Oro an S rank criminal ("good")
-Killed Deidara an S-rank criminal("good")
-Killed Itachi another S-rank criminal("good")
-Tried to capture Bee (bad)
-killed some samurai(self defense)
-fought with the kage(self defense)
-Killed Danzo ("good", Danzo was already booted from kage position and considered a criminal for his actions at the summit)
-Tried to kill Sakura and Kakashi (technically they were trying to kill him too)
-Helped stop Edo Tensei(very good)
If I were to be a defense for Sasuke, he doesn't have much blood on his hands and has actually done the shinobi world a lot of favors. He's killed more akatsuki than anyone else and stopped edo tensei.
Murder aside, all arguements about sasuke not being a criminal are irrelevant, because as it's been stated MULTIPLE times in the manga- nit just assumption like many arguments here- it is a CRIME punishable by death just to leave your country without permission.
Other crimes that are stated in the manga that are unarguable
-invading another country illegally
-attempted kidnap (recall attempted kidnapping of hinata)
So really its irrelevant if your actions are justified. A crime is a crime, despite the reasoning behind it. Sasukes a criminal despite what anyone may think solely based on manga facts. But if you don't agree let me know what you think
Other crimes that are stated in the manga that are unarguable
-invading another country illegally
-attempted kidnap (recall attempted kidnapping of hinata)
So really its irrelevant if your actions are justified. A crime is a crime, despite the reasoning behind it. Sasukes a criminal despite what anyone may think solely based on manga facts. But if you don't agree let me know what you think
haha dude, he attempted and that all that mattered. If you tried to shoot the pres because he was directly in your line of sight of killig someone else, you think they would let you go because you "werent intending to kill him"? Not to mention his earliest crime, by leaving the village against the orders of the kage with the publicly known intention of revenge on said village, that is a clear case of desertion which back then in feudal era japan was ALWAYS punishable by death. The storyline plays it down much more, but if you put aside the personal issues kishi stuck on sasuke, he is still a deserter, he attacked a kage summit (more or less equal to trying to bomb the UN), tried to capture the 8tails and killer bee, with the knowledge that he would most likely be killed so you could loosely tag him for attempted murder. So, from what i see he has done quite a bit of naughty things.
I don't always trust online translations and unfortunately I don't own that volume, plus it doesn't make sense for him to want to kill the kage. But as far as the shinobi world knows, he went there for Danzo.