Rinnegan Hypothesis

[randomuno]

Please read through patiently, and critically evaluate my theory.

I am trying to hypothesize on:

--> Rinnegan evolution
--> More importantly, Orochi's real ambition

Rinnegan and Sage.

Spoiler

Rinnegan; as we all know, were originally Rikudou Sennin's eyes. So what happened after the sages generation?

The mental aspect of sage's powers went to the Uchiha: who developed the Sharingan.

The physical aspect of sage's power went to Senju.

Now, let us look at all the people who have/had Rinnegan.

1) Nagato
2) Madara

Spoiler

Facts:
Nagato was a Uzumaki; therefore closely related to Senju; therefore he had the physical aspects of sage's power to start with.

Statements:
We know that Tobi claimed to have given Nagato his Rinnegan; what exactly does he mean by given?

Interpretations:
It can mean two possible things:
1) Given something can that act as a seed to Rinnegan
2) Given Rinnegan directly.

Let us analyze both possibilities.

I don't believe that Tobi has given Nagato his Rinnegan directly. Why? Nagato first activated Rinnegan when his parents were killed. [corrected thanks to TheHiddenShinobi's point ]

So I feel that a batter explanation would be that

Conclusion: Tobi gave Nagato "something", that could mature as Rinnegan.


Let us keep this interpretation aside; and proceed to the third user of Rinnegan.

Madara.

Spoiler

There is no evidence that Madara had Rinnegan when he battled Hashirama. For a second, let us assume that he did not have Rinnegan. If this assumption were true, how does Edo Madara have Rinnegan?

Before that, there are two possible ways in which Madara could have died.

a) He died due to the battle with Hashi
b) He died much later.

Irrespective of the possibilities, what we know are the below:
a) Madara had EMS Sharingan
b) Edo Madara has Senju DNA in him
c) This Senju DNA was either earned by Madara during his battle with Hashi; or implanted by Kabuto.

Therefore,
1) Madara did not have Rinnegan during his battle with Hashi; [reasonable assumption]
2) Tobi has claimed that Madara fought with Hashi to acquire his power; [fact]
3) and Madara has Senju DNA in him right now, and he also has Rinnegan. [fact]

Based on this analysis, I infer that a person with EMS sharingan+Senju DNA can evolve the Sharingan to get into Rinnegan mode.

So what has happened with Nagato? Nagato was probably given EMS sharingan but in a deactivated by Tobi at some stage. As we know Byakugan/Sharingan cannot be activated or deactivated by the non-uchiha transplatee. More detailed explanation in spoiler

Spoiler

My hypothesis for this relies on:
a) An activated Sharingan cannot be deactivated by a non-uchiha and
b) a deactivated Sharingan may/may not be activated by the non-uchiha.

Grounds for this assumption:
a) Kakashi cannot deactivate his Sharingan
b) Ao cannot activate Byakugan
c) Not all Uchihas can activate the Sharingan themselves
d) If a couple of activated Sharingan eyes are implanted in a non-uchiha, he will have to cover BOTH his eyes, or lose all chakra and die.

If we go with this assumption, we can say that Nagato got an EMS sharingan, but in deactivated mode. Thus even though Nagato had the EMS sharingan, he never really activated it. But the Sharingan itself interacted with his Senju/Uzumaki DNA and slowly evolved to become the Rinnengan.

So since Nagato had acquired deactivated Sharingan, he could never really activate Sharingan, rather he acquired Rinnegan because his passive Sharingan eye had evolved by fusing with his Uzumaki blood.

What does my hypothesis explain?


1) Why Edo Madara has Rinnegan
2) How Nagato acquired the Rinnegan, even though he was not an Uchiha
3) Also, Sasuke cannot get Rinnegan unless he steals Senju DNA from somewhere.
4) Was Orochimaru really after Rinnegan?
We know the following things about Orochi:
a) He really experimented with body part and cellular transplantation etc.
b) He played around with Hashi DNA
c) He wanted Sharingan badly
d) He wanted his parents back
e) He was deeply attracted and attached to ressurection and reincarnation techniques.
f) Rinnegan has the power to TRULY revive dead people
g) His body transfer technique works only for a 3-4 years, after which the body rejects.
h) Orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body, and he also wanted to fight Itachi. He also viewed Akatsuki as an enemy even after defection and he viewed Itachi also as an enemy. In fact he wanted Naruto and co to live, and take down a few more Akatsuki if possible.

In the light off the above, could it be possible that Orochi wanted to acquire Sasuke's body, then Itachi's eyes, and then implant Hashi DNA to his new body, to prevent body rejection+obtain Rinnegan? If my hypothesis is right, this doesn't sound unlikely at all.

 

[bobonosis]

didnt read

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Please read through patiently, and critically evaluate my theory.

Rinnegan; as we all know, were originally Rikudou Sennin's eyes. So what happened after the sages generation?

The mental aspect of sage's powers went to the Uchiha: who developed the Sharingan.

The physical aspect of sage's power went to Senju.

Now, let us look at all the people who have/had Rinnegan.

1) Nagato
2) Madara

Facts:
Nagato was a Uzumaki; therefore closely related to Senju; therefore he had the physical aspects of sage's power to start with.

Statements:
We know that Tobi claimed to have given Nagato his Rinnegan; what exactly does he mean by given?

Interpretations:
It can mean two possible things:
1) Given something can that act as a seed to Rinnegan
2) Given Rinnegan directly.

Let us analyze both possibilities.

I don't believe that Tobi has given Nagato his Rinnegan directly. Why? Nagato first activated Rinnegan when Yahiko was in danger.

So I feel that a batter explanation would be that Tobi gave Nagato "something", that could mature as Rinnegan.

Let us keep this interpretation aside; and proceed to the third user of Rinnegan.

Madara. There is no evidence that Madara had Rinnegan when he battled Hashirama. For a second, let us assume that he did not have Rinnegan. If this assumption were true, how does Edo Madara have Rinnegan?

Before that, there are two possible ways in which Madara could have died.

a) He died due to the battle with Hashi
b) He died much later.

Irrespective of the possibilities, what we know are the below:
a) Madara had EMS Sharingan
b) Edo Madara has Senju DNA in him
c) This Senju DNA was either earned by Madara during his battle with Hashi; or implanted by Kabuto.

Therefore,
1) Madara did not have Rinnegan during his battle with Hashi; [reasonable assumption]
2) Tobi has claimed that Madara fought with Hashi to acquire his power; [fact]
3) and Madara has Senju DNA in him right now, and he also has Rinnegan. [fact]

Based on this analysis, I infer that a person with EMS sharingan+Senju DNA can evolve the Sharingan to get into Rinnegan mode.

So what has happened with Nagato? Nagato was probably given EMS sharingan but in a deactivated by Tobi at some stage. As we know Byakugan/Sharingan cannot be activated or deactivated by the non-uchiha transplatee.

So since Nagato had acquired deactivated Sharingan, he could never really activate Sharingan, rather he acquired Rinnegan because his passive Sharingan eye had evolved by fusing with his Uzumaki blood.

What does my hypothesis explain?
1) Why Edo Madara has Rinnegan
2) How Nagato acquired the Rinnegan, even though he was not an Uchiha
3) Also, Sasuke cannot get Rinnegan unless he steals Senju DNA from somewhere.
4) Was Orochimaru really after Rinnegan?
We know the following things about Orochi:
a) He really experimented with body part and cellular transplantation etc.
b) He played around with Hashi DNA
c) He wanted Sharingan badly
d) He wanted his parents back
e) He was deeply attracted and attached to ressurection and reincarnation techniques.
f) Rinnegan has the power to TRULY revive dead people
g) His body transfer technique works only for a 3-4 years, after which the body rejects.
h) Orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body, and he also wanted to fight Itachi. He also viewed Akatsuki as an enemy even after defection and he viewed Itachi also as an enemy. In fact he wanted Naruto and co to live, and take down a few more Akatsuki if possible.

In the light off the above, could it be possible that Orochi wanted to acquire Sasuke's body, then Itachi's eyes, and then implant Hashi DNA to his new body, to prevent body rejection+obtain Rinnegan? If my hypothesis is right, this doesn't sound unlikely at all.

You see the mistake you people make he always had it that is why kishi covered his eyes!!!!! He never unlocked it you just couldn't see it because kishi covered his eyes you just think he unlocked it.

 

[randomuno]

didnt read

Why make a post about didn't read? Post count? Extroversion?

Also, clearly it takes more effort to write a long post, than read one.

 

[DrPotato]

completely agreed ...just opened a thread with a quiet same theory^^

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Nagato awakened it when his parents were killed didn't he?

And you're saying that Rinnegan needs senju DNA, many threads have been created to dispute this.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Why make a post about didn't read? Post count? Extroversion?

Also, clearly it takes more effort to write a long post, than read one.

Sorry man I can't read this I have seen two mistakes you said he unlocked it when yahiko was attacked which is the same mistake people are making with his parents, kishi covered his eyes he always had it before yahiko and before his parents death. Also madara said he unlocked rinnegan before his death and we know he lived after hashi so that means we KNOW he didn't have rinnegan when he battled hashi

Those two mistakes is why I cannot read on.

 

[randomuno]

@The Hidden Shinobi

I might have made a mistake about when Nagato got Rinne, but that is not the pillar I base my arguments on. I have gone ahead and corrected that part.

. Also madara said he unlocked rinnegan before his death and we know he lived after hashi so that means we KNOW he didn't have rinnegan when he battled hashi

Those two mistakes is why I cannot read on.

I am saying the SAME thing. He did not have Rinnegan when he battled Hashi. Please re-read now, and give your opinion.

 

[NAD]

when he fought konan he went by the name madara.so what he actually meant was that madara gave him the rinnegan.when madara was revieved madara say 'so the brat nagato survived'.so this means madara met nagato before he died.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

@The Hidden Shinobi

I might have made a mistake about when Nagato got Rinne, but that is not the pillar I base my arguments on.



I am saying the SAME thing. He did not have Rinnegan when he battled Hashi. Please re-read now, and give your opinion.

Yes but you see the mistake you made is the same mistake people make when people say he unlocked it when his mum and dad died. Kishi covered his eyes on purpose I don't think he wanted us to know about tobi madara and nagato's relationship so early on. If we saw nagato unlock the rinnegan for real then we could say what the hell is tobi talking about but we never did, it was a smart trick my kishi.

I will read on.

 

[randomuno]

Yes but you see the mistake you made is the same mistake people make when people say he unlocked it when his mum and dad died. Kishi covered his eyes on purpose I don't think he wanted us to know about tobi madara and nagato's relationship so early on. If we saw nagato unlock the rinnegan for real then we could say what the hell is tobi talking about but we never did, it was a smart trick my kishi.

I will read on.

Please read carefully, among all the people who have replied so far, I want your opinion the most - since you usually tend to be more patient and evaluative.

 

[Ryuu..]

Why would Tobi give Nagato the EMS when he could've given him the Rinnegan directly, like he said he did? Why did Nagato not show the ability to use EMS techniques? Is the manga a lie or...?

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Stopped reading after sharingan I made a thread to why he did not receive a sharingan from tobi either.

You must be registered for see links

 

[randomuno]

Why would Tobi give Nagato the EMS when he could've given him the Rinnegan directly, like he said he did?

He never says that he has given the Rinnegan directly. He says that he has given him the Rinnegan. That could mean Rinnegan, or the source/seed/way of Rinnegan.

Why did Nagato not show the ability to use EMS techniques? Is the manga a lie or...?

My hypothesis for this relies on:
a) An activated Sharingan cannot be deactivated by a non-uchiha and
b) a deactivated Sharingan may/may not be activated by the non-uchiha.

Grounds for this assumption:
a) Kakashi cannot deactivate his Sharingan
b) Ao cannot activate Byakugan
c) Not all Uchihas can activate the Sharingan themselves
d) If a couple of activated Sharingan eyes are implanted in a non-uchiha, he will have to cover BOTH his eyes, or lose all chakra and die.

If we go with this assumption, we can say that Nagato got an EMS sharingan, but in deactivated mode. Thus even though Nagato had the EMS sharingan, he never really activated it. But the Sharingan itself interacted with his Senju/Uzumaki DNA and slowly evolved to become the Rinnengan.

 

[randomuno]

Stopped reading after sharingan I made a thread to why he did not receive a sharingan from tobi either.

You must be registered for see links

Be more patient my friend. I have an explanation to your questions.

And If you are trying to say that he gave nagato EMS :sy: then he would be able to do some or at least 1 sharingan ability. Also he would be able to switch back and fourth between his EMS and rinnegan.

The only eye we have seen nagato with is the rinnegan, this supports it was implanted.

The only ablities we have seen nagato perform are rinnegan abilities, this supports it was implanted.

I have an explanation as to why he couldn't use Sharingan abilities.

My hypothesis for this relies on:
a) An activated Sharingan cannot be deactivated by a non-uchiha and
b) a deactivated Sharingan may/may not be activated by the non-uchiha.

Grounds for this assumption:
a) Kakashi cannot deactivate his Sharingan
b) Ao cannot activate Byakugan
c) Not all Uchihas can activate the Sharingan themselves
d) If a couple of activated Sharingan eyes are implanted in a non-uchiha, he will have to cover BOTH his eyes, or lose all chakra and die.

If we go with this assumption, we can say that Nagato got an EMS sharingan, but in deactivated mode. Thus even though Nagato had the EMS sharingan, he never really activated it. But the Sharingan itself interacted with his Senju/Uzumaki DNA and slowly evolved to become the Rinnengan.

 

[zombiejesus]

didnt read

this is spamm and not allowed :flaw:

 

[kral]

I didn't think u could deactivate ems?

 

[yellow flash94]

Well the manga clearly states these facts upfront:


1)Nagato awakened his rinnegan first when his parents died.
2)Madara was not in possesion of rinnegan when he battled Hashi.
3)Rinnegan has the power to bring back the dead.
4)Tobi "claims" to have given the rinnegan to nagato.
5)madara obtained senju dna during his battle with hashi,it is evident from one of kabuto's statements idk from which chapter.(considering senju DNa a requirement for rinnegan)


Based on these facts I would like to propose a hypothesis on the matters at hand,namely rinnegans evolution ,nagato and madara's possesion of it and the identity of tobi.


It is clearly stated in the manga that madara had awakened his rinnegan shortly before his death.
So what I think happened is that when he awakened his rinnegan he had already planned on putting the eye of moon plan in motion,as shown fro his knowledge about the plan.
Thus foreseeing his death,maybe due to his injuries from his battle with hashi, he as a last deperate measure used "Samsara of heavenly life" to bring back to life someone who was loyal to him to bring him back to life after his death.

And I hypothise that this is the person who we know as tobi.Now according to this the most appropriate candidate would be Izuna,who had already died,assumption,to entrust his rinnegan.


But Izuna could not carry the rinnegan as he didn't have the senju DNA like so he implanted into Nagato's eyes,who as an uzumaki had the required quality.

This also explains the fighting prowess of tobi as izuna was said to be equal to his brother.

This also explains why he holds a grudge against Uchiha for having betrayed his brother whom he was loyal towards.It also explains how he states that Izuna had willingly given his eyes to madara,because well he was him.

It also explains why he was afraid when kabuto had shown him madara's body using edo tensei.

So net result :
1)Tobi is none other than Izuna.
2)It was tobi who had given nagato his rinnegan.
3)Senju DNA was required to activate rinnegan(1 more hypothises because since rinnegan was so6p's eyes it can be assumed it required both his life force as well as his physical energy to activate it.hence both the brothers attributes were required,hence the above hypothesis)


Sorry, that the post is highly disordered it is because I'm new to the base and don't know how to edit with photos and other facts.

And please comment on this if you have read it fully.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Well the manga clearly states these facts upfront:


1)Nagato awakened his rinnegan first when his parents died.
2)Madara was not in possesion of rinnegan when he battled Hashi.
3)Rinnegan has the power to bring back the dead.
4)Tobi "claims" to have given the rinnegan to nagato.
5)madara obtained senju dna during his battle with hashi,it is evident from one of kabuto's statements idk from which chapter.(considering senju DNa a requirement for rinnegan)


Based on these facts I would like to propose a hypothesis on the matters at hand,namely rinnegans evolution ,nagato and madara's possesion of it and the identity of tobi.


It is clearly stated in the manga that madara had awakened his rinnegan shortly before his death.
So what I think happened is that when he awakened his rinnegan he had already planned on putting the eye of moon plan in motion,as shown fro his knowledge about the plan.
Thus foreseeing his death,maybe due to his injuries from his battle with hashi, he as a last deperate measure used "Samsara of heavenly life" to bring back to life someone who was loyal to him to bring him back to life after his death.

And I hypothise that this is the person who we know as tobi.Now according to this the most appropriate candidate would be Izuna,who had already died,assumption,to entrust his rinnegan.


But Izuna could not carry the rinnegan as he didn't have the senju DNA like so he implanted into Nagato's eyes,who as an uzumaki had the required quality.

This also explains the fighting prowess of tobi as izuna was said to be equal to his brother.

This also explains why he holds a grudge against Uchiha for having betrayed his brother whom he was loyal towards.It also explains how he states that Izuna had willingly given his eyes to madara,because well he was him.

It also explains why he was afraid when kabuto had shown him madara's body using edo tensei.

So net result :
1)Tobi is none other than Izuna.
2)It was tobi who had given nagato his rinnegan.
3)Senju DNA was required to activate rinnegan(1 more hypothises because since rinnegan was so6p's eyes it can be assumed it required both his life force as well as his physical energy to activate it.hence both the brothers attributes were required,hence the above hypothesis)


Sorry, that the post is highly disordered it is because I'm new to the base and don't know how to edit with photos and other facts.

And please comment on this if you have read it fully.

Cool bro, the way you explained it , makes it seem possible , I personally don't think it's Izuna... It's to predictable but I would tell you to put this post up on the Tobi I.D thread , it's good.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Well the manga clearly states these facts upfront:

1)Nagato awakened his rinnegan first when his parents died.

This point is already wrong this is what kishi first wanted us to believe then later he here from tobi about giving nagato the rinnegan and then we heard madara talking about nagato. You have to yours your knowledge and follow the story things isn't always as it seem.