preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

[Anorien16]

Because the Sage raised the Tailed Beasts to be good and helpful... they wasn't evil to begin with. It was the villages who made them turn evil by hunting them down for power.
Like I said a thousand times the sage did the same thing... he used the Yang from the creation of all things Jutsu to give life to the chakra. Hashirama used his Yang chakra to give life to his Mokuton. At the end of the day, it is still chakra.
If the 10 tails chakra could be destroyed he would have done that, instead of sealing it inside himself. This is why he split the chakra up in the first place... Minato sealed the chakra away but it is still alive. It is just trapped for ever.
The Senju clan inherited the Sage's power Yang chakra, which is why they are so proficient in healing etc. The Uchiha clan inherited the Sage's powerful Yin chakra which is why they are so proficient in Genjutsu etc. Why else would they mention this?
Anyway, I really cant be bothered to keep debating this. It seems most people understand where I am coming from anyway.

Sage wanted them to be guided to the right path, he didnt raise them.
Plus ur Knowledge about COAT is very faulty at best: COAT uses Yin chakra to give form and Yang chakra to give the imagined form life. So the new being is exactly the thing the user imagines it to be. While Mokuton uses yang to give life to natural plant form and give it water and earth to make it grow super fast. The plant form has its own genetic matrial from nature itself not from Hashi's imagination which makes them NATURAL. Even Susano is practically a yang release as it needs life force (ie yang chakra) to maintain. In fact both susano and Mokuton has great similarities, both forms create physical things at the price of chakra and yang but susano disappears when chakra is not given but Mokuton remains as it is a natural tree with accelearted growth very much like a clone. Also dont be so snobbish.

I suggest you guys stop spitting that crap from out of your asses. Preta Path absorbs all ninjutsu based techniques. It doesn't matter what jutsu it is... if its a ninjutsu... it will be absorbed.

"Every jutsu, regardless of its chakra properties, is sucked away and rendered ineffective."

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Here you can see it absorbing Jiraiya's oil:

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Let me repeat myself... again. If a jutsu is classified as a ninjutsu, Preta Path will be able to absorb it.

What about Ninjust that creates real living trees and then makes them grow at a super fast rate?
Also can edo tensei be absorbed? Or that ninjutsu makes Orochi's neck grow? Its a ninjutsu too. Its just as Itachi said "Every jutsu has its weakness"

 

[iSpeak]

Sage wanted them to be guided to the right path, he didnt raise them.
Plus ur Knowledge about COAT is very faulty at best: COAT uses Yin chakra to give form and Yang chakra to give the imagined form life. So the new being is exactly the thing the user imagines it to be. While Mokuton uses yang to give life to natural plant form and give it water and earth to make it grow super fast. The plant form has its own genetic matrial from nature itself not from Hashi's imagination which makes them NATURAL. Even Susano is practically a yang release as it needs life force (ie yang chakra) to maintain. In fact both susano and Mokuton has great similarities, both forms create physical things at the price of chakra and yang but susano disappears when chakra is not given but Mokuton remains as it is a natural tree with accelearted growth very much like a clone. Also dont be so snobbish.

Honestly im done. You will never understand. Im not trying to be snobbish, but I feel I have repeated myself enough by now.

 

[Anorien16]

Honestly im done. You will never understand. Im not trying to be snobbish, but I feel I have repeated myself enough by now.

Yeah u have repeated urself enough ...... so try to prove how my observation at the last posted is wrong. Dont reapeat your self just show me i m wrong. At which which points.

PS 'people dont know where i m coming from',' go read something else' etc are the examples of snobbishness.

 

[Munboy]

I want someone to tell me why Kage Bunshins won't be absorbed.

Furthermore why I should think that in spite of Naruto making sure his clones didn't go anywhere near the Preta Path.

 

[Owarij]

Honestly im done. You will never understand. Im not trying to be snobbish, but I feel I have repeated myself enough by now.

why are you wasting your time

 

[Anorien16]

I want someone to tell me why Kage Bunshins won't be absorbed.

Furthermore why I should think that in spite of Naruto making sure his clones didn't go anywhere near the Preta Path.

Kagabushins wont be absorbed but the chakra they contain will be absorbed which would make them go poof.

He might not have sent them bcos a slight punch also may make them go poof, wasting his chakra in making them. So he hemself went so he cld beat up and get beaten at the same time unlike the clones.

 

[Οdin]

What about Ninjust that creates real living trees and then makes them grow at a super fast rate?
Also can edo tensei be absorbed? Or that ninjutsu makes Orochi's neck grow? Its a ninjutsu too. Its just as Itachi said "Every jutsu has its weakness"

I guess we will never find out, huh? Since we've never actually seen it happen. Anyways... I gave you the facts, believe what you want. U_U By looking at your posts... you're not changing your mind anytime soon. U_U

 

[Anorien16]

I guess we will never find out, huh? Since we've never actually seen it happen. Anyways... I gave you the facts, believe what you want. U_U By looking at your posts... you're not changing your mind anytime soon. U_U

That we shall never know unless kishi shows us......
I also gave u the facts, that Mokuton trees are actually living trees, their natural chakra can be absorbed but their dead bodies will remain as they are trees whose growth was acclerated at an unbeliveable able rate there physical bodies are not made of chakra. Just tell me am i wrong in the assumption that the Trees are alive?

 

[Οdin]

That we shall never know unless kishi shows us......
I also gave u the facts, that Mokuton trees are actually living trees, their natural chakra can be absorbed but their dead bodies will remain as they are trees whose growth was acclerated at an unbeliveable able rate there physical bodies are not made of chakra. Just tell me am i wrong in the assumption that the Trees are alive?

Me explaining this to you won't make any difference. The previous posts gave you the same answer that I probably would have given you.

 

[Anorien16]

Me explaining this to you won't make any difference. The previous posts gave you the same answer that I probably would have given you.

Come on say it, that guy said 'go read something else......' and i got pissed .... If ur reasoning is acceptable i will be forced to take it on. I m only human i m bound to make mistakes.

 

[Sephy100]

How do you absorb life?

 

[Munboy]

What about Ninjust that creates real living trees and then makes them grow at a super fast rate?
Also can edo tensei be absorbed? Or that ninjutsu makes Orochi's neck grow? Its a ninjutsu too. Its just as Itachi said "Every jutsu has its weakness"

Itachi can use the Water Dragon with and without a source. If he used it with a source the natural water wouldn't be absorbed but the chakra would; if he used it without a source than the jutsu would be absorbed as it is just chakra.

As such, if a Mokuton user MAKES the trees out of nothing it is clear that those trees are a product of chakra thus are absorbent. To make Mokuton you combine two forms of chakra (Suiton and Doton).

Edo Tensei can't be absorbed, the victim Edo can have their chakra absorbed though; arguably the chakra enforcing the Fuda can be absorbed too- rendering the Edo Tensei useless.

If Orochimaru went to a Preta Path user while his neck was stretched, his neck would likely revert back to normal when the chakra is gone. Of course considering the nature of Orochimaru, it may not be absorbed as that could be a normal bodily function of Orochimaru given all his experimentation.

Itachi is right that every jutsu has a weakness: the Preta Path's weaknesses include non-chakra attacks such as natural energy based techniques and Taijutsu (and related styles of combat).

Kagabushins wont be absorbed but the chakra they contain will be absorbed which would make them go poof.

Kage Bunshins are composed of chakra. I would've agreed with you if this hadn't been the case. However the mechanisms of the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu works against you; it suggests the thing can be absorbed. Simply because the copy is just a chakra construct.

He might not have sent them bcos a slight punch also may make them go poof, wasting his chakra in making them. So he hemself went so he cld beat up and get beaten at the same time unlike the clones.

A punch doesn't make then disperse. A powerful hit which can be potentially fatal would; tackling the Preta Path which was very easy for Sage Naruto wouldn't.
However Naruto knew the Preta Path would absorb incoming attacks, so he let his Henge no Jutsu be absorbed and tackled the Path. Why didn't his clone do so? His clone, like the Henge no Jutsu, is a chakra object (so to speak), thus it would've been absorbed too.


A good counterargument would be to suggest why we (those who don't agree with you) should believe that Kage Bunshins have some other mechanism which suggest that they won't be absorbed at all.

 

[Anorien16]

My reasoning is this:
1. Mokuton converts users chakra to life to give birth to a life form and then uses water and earth nutrients and more yang to make it grow at a super fast pace.
2. I believe the trees are natural because:
a. Hashirama does not use his Yin to create the form of the trees, he somehow uses the natural genetic materials to create natural trees which can grow, reproduce and die.
b. The trees i believe to be not purely made of chakra bcos all regular techs need chakra to continue for a really long time, and Hashi trees have grown for at least last 80 years.
3. Preta path can only absorb chakra and chakra spawned materials, all ninjustsu is bit silly to say as Edo tensei, long neck, healing etc are ninjutsu too and Preta path can not absorb the healing done and open the wound again, its absurd. Also akamichi clan uses their body fat as a source of chakra, so does that mean preta path can absorb body fat? So theoretically Preta path can absorb the chakra the trees have as a living thing and kill it, but its physical body may remain, as it was a natural tree which was forcefully grown fast though a tech.
4. Biju and Mokuton are not the same, Biju and their characteristics are as Sage imagined them to be, not a natural thing as the mokuton trees. Biju's are immortal, cant reproduce etc where Mokuton trees are natural things when left alone.An interesting fact is that when the Biju was smaller when they were created and have since then grown. So it will suggest that their chakra has grown too, and the new Jubi wld be much more powerful. So comaprison of Biju and Mokuton are silly at best.

 

[Tartarus]

I'm a bit on the fence about preta path's powers but if it's so OP then why couldn't Madara just absorb this attack instead of resorting to Susanoo?

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[Ryuu..]

I'm a bit on the fence about preta path's powers but if it's so OP then why couldn't Madara just absorb this attack instead of resorting to Susanoo?

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Because Gaara is not creating the sand out of his chakra, just manipulating it.

 

[Munboy]

I'm a bit on the fence about preta path's powers but if it's so OP then why couldn't Madara just absorb this attack instead of resorting to Susanoo?

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The sand isn't chakra; you'll notice the first time Madara took chakra from Gaara's sand, it just fell apart.

The page shows Madara actively absorbing chakra; if he stopped absorbing he'd be electrocuted. But seeing as he carried on, he still has to absorb the chakra touching him which was seeking through Gaara's sand, hence it stuck to him.

Aside from non-chakra attacks, a smart tactic/plan alongside constantly 'streaming' chakra to keep a Preta Path user at bay is a good counter to the power.

My reasoning is this:
1. Mokuton converts users chakra to life to give birth to a life form and then uses water and earth nutrients and more yang to make it grow at a super fast pace.

Mokuton doesn't give birth to life and form. A Wood Style user just mixes Water Style chakra and Earth Style chakra to create Wood Style chakra; just how a Ice Style user just mixes Water Style chakra and Wind Style chakra to make Ice Style Chakra.

See the trend? It is all chakra my nature and principle thus absorbent. Any "life" is just chakra.

2. I believe the trees are natural because:
a. Hashirama does not use his Yin to create the form of the trees, he somehow uses the natural genetic materials to create natural trees which can grow, reproduce and die.
b. The trees i believe to be not purely made of chakra bcos all regular techs need chakra to continue for a really long time, and Hashi trees have grown for at least last 80 years.

a] Yin and Yang chakra are absorbent too. This is why Jiraiya's oil got absorbed. Furthermore your reasoning doesn't follow what we're told: Yamato flat out told us that the trees (Mokuton) are made by combining two forms of chakra (water and earth). Yin and Yang were not mentioned at all when talking about Mokuton.

b] To our knowledge Hashirama never faced anyone with the Rinnegan.

3. Preta path can only absorb chakra and chakra spawned materials, all ninjustsu is bit silly to say as Edo tensei, long neck, healing etc are ninjutsu too and Preta path can not absorb the healing done and open the wound again, its absurd. Also akamichi clan uses their body fat as a source of chakra, so does that mean preta path can absorb body fat? So theoretically Preta path can absorb the chakra the trees have as a living thing and kill it, but its physical body may remain, as it was a natural tree which was forcefully grown fast though a tech.

ANY chakra would be absorbed, even if it is minimal. The neck thing may not be simply because it may possibly be a natural bodily function for Orochimaru.

The effect of the healing (a fully healed person) will not be absorbed, however the process can be stopped if the Preta Path absorbs the chakra in time.

Body fat isn't chakra. The Akamichi convert their body fat into chakra as the fat seems to take the 'body' aspect needed for chakra formation - body energy and mental energy are required for chakra.
Body fat won't be absorbed, but the chakra it converts to can be.

4. Biju and Mokuton are not the same, Biju and their characteristics are as Sage imagined them to be, not a natural thing as the mokuton trees. Biju's are immortal, cant reproduce etc where Mokuton trees are natural things when left alone.An interesting fact is that when the Biju was smaller when they were created and have since then grown. So it will suggest that their chakra has grown too, and the new Jubi wld be much more powerful. So comaprison of Biju and Mokuton are silly at best.

Mokuton isn't natural, you need to suggest it is more than just Suiton and Doton chakra fused before you start claiming it is natural. The only way it can be natural is if Mokuton chakra is poured into actual trees and then manipulated; otherwise no - the principle of this is exactly the same as the Itachi example I gave in my last post.

Bijuu theoretically are absorbent because of them being chakra beings. However they always reappear after some time, so them 'dying' is of no issue. But with the Juubi there is clearly another element considering the Sage didnt absorb it, whether or not it is due to the "reappear" factor has yet to be confirmed.


This doesn't scratch the concept of the Preta Path absorbing chakra. It is a very powerful tool and we've only seen it being used by competent users, which is why it seems insanely broken. It is probably no coincidence that this is a power of the most powerful Doujutsu.

 

[Anorien16]

Itachi can use the Water Dragon with and without a source. If he used it with a source the natural water wouldn't be absorbed but the chakra would; if he used it without a source than the jutsu would be absorbed as it is just chakra.

That what happened to jirya's oil.

As such, if a Mokuton user MAKES the trees out of nothing it is clear that those trees are a product of chakra thus are absorbent. To make Mokuton you combine two forms of chakra (Suiton and Doton).

But mere suiton and doton can not make a living tree, or make it grow like that shown in the manga. The mechanism must go on like this: Hashi gives life using yang and then makes the tree grow by providing it with life force, water and nutients . . . . Making them simply a tree which was grown at a super fast rate with the help of artificial materials. But the tree it self is natural

Edo Tensei can't be absorbed, the victim Edo can have their chakra absorbed though; arguably the chakra enforcing the Fuda can be absorbed too- rendering the Edo Tensei useless.

Its only rendering the Edo tensei subject useless just as it wld have a regular human. Its not releasing the Edo Tensei binding so not all Ninjustu apparently.

If Orochimaru went to a Preta Path user while his neck was stretched, his neck would likely revert back to normal when the chakra is gone. Of course considering the nature of Orochimaru, it may not be absorbed as that could be a normal bodily function of Orochimaru given all his experimentation.

Very likely, if it was not a bodily function the neck may also stay as it is as the characteristics of the neck was already altered. Such as if a katon creates a burn can Preta Path absorb the burn. Preta path absorbs the ninjutsu not always the effects of the ninjutsu.

Itachi is right that every jutsu has a weakness: the Preta Path's weaknesses include non-chakra attacks such as natural energy based techniques and Taijutsu (and related styles of combat).

LOL A simple punch in the face is the weakness of the guy who troubles all ninjutsu users.

Kage Bunshins are composed of chakra. I would've agreed with you if this hadn't been the case. However the mechanisms of the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu works against you; it suggests the thing can be absorbed. Simply because the copy is just a chakra construct.

I partially disagree as the bushins are imitation of life: They has their own independent thoughts, have different experiences etc which just chakra will be unable to do in my opinion. Its just act as a regular human in all respect except that it goes poof when hit hard enough. So can Preta path absorb a living thing?

A punch doesn't make then disperse. A powerful hit which can be potentially fatal would; tackling the Preta Path which was very easy for Sage Naruto wouldn't.
However Naruto knew the Preta Path would absorb incoming attacks, so he let his Henge no Jutsu be absorbed and tackled the Path. Why didn't his clone do so? His clone, like the Henge no Jutsu, is a chakra object (so to speak), thus it would've been absorbed too.

Path punches real hard, plus they have those chakra rods . . . . Also dont overestimate naruto: remember the Nagato fight?
Otherwise i agree.

A good counterargument would be to suggest why we (those who don't agree with you) should believe that Kage Bunshins have some other mechanism which suggest that they won't be absorbed at all.

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I said it above. U are always welcome to disagree, i m only human and can make mistakes which is the reason i discuss to find out the probable truth...... just dont show superiority complex like the other guy or i cant be reasonable.

The sand isn't chakra; you'll notice the first time Madara took chakra from Gaara's sand, it just fell apart.

The page shows Madara actively absorbing chakra; if he stopped absorbing he'd be electrocuted. But seeing as he carried on, he still has to absorb the chakra touching him which was seeking through Gaara's sand, hence it stuck to him.

Aside from non-chakra attacks, a smart tactic/plan alongside constantly 'streaming' chakra to keep a Preta Path user at bay is a good counter to the power.




Mokuton doesn't give birth to life and form. A Wood Style user just mixes Water Style chakra and Earth Style chakra to create Wood Style chakra; just how a Ice Style user just mixes Water Style chakra and Wind Style chakra to make Ice Style Chakra.

See the trend? It is all chakra my nature and principle thus absorbent. Any "life" is just chakra.



a] Yin and Yang chakra are absorbent too. This is why Jiraiya's oil got absorbed. Furthermore your reasoning doesn't follow what we're told: Yamato flat out told us that the trees (Mokuton) are made by combining two forms of chakra (water and earth). Yin and Yang were not mentioned at all when talking about Mokuton.

b] To our knowledge Hashirama never faced anyone with the Rinnegan.



ANY chakra would be absorbed, even if it is minimal. The neck thing may not be simply because it may possibly be a natural bodily function for Orochimaru.

The effect of the healing (a fully healed person) will not be absorbed, however the process can be stopped if the Preta Path absorbs the chakra in time.

Body fat isn't chakra. The Akamichi convert their body fat into chakra as the fat seems to take the 'body' aspect needed for chakra formation - body energy and mental energy are required for chakra.
Body fat won't be absorbed, but the chakra it converts to can be.



Mokuton isn't natural, you need to suggest it is more than just Suiton and Doton chakra fused before you start claiming it is natural. The only way it can be natural is if Mokuton chakra is poured into actual trees and then manipulated; otherwise no - the principle of this is exactly the same as the Itachi example I gave in my last post.

Bijuu theoretically are absorbent because of them being chakra beings. However they always reappear after some time, so them 'dying' is of no issue. But with the Juubi there is clearly another element considering the Sage didnt absorb it, whether or not it is due to the "reappear" factor has yet to be confirmed.


This doesn't scratch the concept of the Preta Path absorbing chakra. It is a very powerful tool and we've only seen it being used by competent users, which is why it seems insanely broken. It is probably no coincidence that this is a power of the most powerful Doujutsu.

Primarily ur wrong in a place to consider that trees are not living see:

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U will notice that the Mokuton uses chakra converted to life force to make real living trees and then provide the necessary nutrients for its growth using suiton and doton.

Also note that according to my explanation the Mokuton trees are natural trees whose growth is manipulated by the wood user and so acts like normal trees when left alone.

Because Gaara is not creating the sand out of his chakra, just manipulating it.

But the sands are infused with Gaara's chakra and if Madara absorbs the chakra in the sand it wld fall off as regular sand.

 

[Munboy]

But mere suiton and doton can not make a living tree, or make it grow like that shown in the manga. The mechanism must go on like this: Hashi gives life using yang and then makes the tree grow by providing it with life force, water and nutients . . . . Making them simply a tree which was grown at a super fast rate with the help of artificial materials. But the tree it self is natural

The mix doesn't have to make sense: apparently mixing, Fuuton, Doton and Katon makes Jinton.
There is no Yang or Yin involved (show me if I'm wrong), but there is only Suiton and Doton used as per se Yamato during the Naruto wind training arc.

Its only rendering the Edo tensei subject useless just as it wld have a regular human. Its not releasing the Edo Tensei binding so not all Ninjustu apparently.

Does the Fuda rely on chakra? That will answer the question. If the answer is yes, it'll make useless if not then it won't. Absorbing the chakra within the Fuda would release an Edo Tensei.

Very likely, if it was not a bodily function the neck may also stay as it is as the characteristics of the neck was already altered. Such as if a katon creates a burn can Preta Path absorb the burn. Preta path absorbs the ninjutsu not always the effects of the ninjutsu.

If its chakra it'll be reversed; the chakra flow is reversed and that's mainly how the Preta Path works. If the Ninjutsu hits the wall, then the Preta Path cannot undo that, clearly. However as far as the actual jutsu is concerned, it'll be absorbed.

LOL A simple punch in the face is the weakness of the guy who troubles all ninjutsu users.

Seemingly, there's a reason that particular Path avoids close combat. Or at least foes that don't rely on chakra e.g. Kiba's clan.

I partially disagree as the bushins are imitation of life: They has their own independent thoughts, have different experiences etc which just chakra will be unable to do in my opinion. Its just act as a regular human in all respect except that it goes poof when hit hard enough. So can Preta path absorb a living thing?

Chakra does odd things and it is probable that Yin and Yang factor into the formation of Kage Bunshins. However that doesn't beat the idea that it can be absorbed.

A living thing cannot be absorbed, that is because it is made up of other things besides chakra. Whereas a chakra generated clone is made from chakra.

Path punches real hard, plus they have those chakra rods . . . . Also dont overestimate naruto: remember the Nagato fight?
Otherwise i agree.

We saw exactly what happened. That Pain was oblivious to what Naruto was planning. Naruto could've sent a clone to do the Henge no Jutsu and it could've worked- Naruto going personally put himself in greater danger.
The logical reason would be that clones are absorbent which is why Naruto didn't send his clone against a Path which absorbs chakra.

I said it above. U are always welcome to disagree, i m only human and can make mistakes which is the reason i discuss to find out the probable truth...... just dont show superiority complex like the other guy or i cant be reasonable.

I'll telling you what will sway me. At the moment it seems you're slotting your own particular explanations to jutsu in addition to what we've been told in the manga.

With the Kage Bunshin case, I simply want to know why I should believe they're not chakra. We know it creates actual bodies, but what are those bodies made of? It isn't what Naruto himself is made of, because then they wouldn't disperse after being hit with a fatal attack. Chakra and only chakra (maybe with a Yin and Yang element) is the most reasonable explanation.


If the Kage Bunshin had principles of White Rage or Muki Tensei then it wouldn't be absorbent at all.

Primarily ur wrong in a place to consider that trees are not living see:

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Mokuton has life within it, true. However that doesn't defeat what an actual Mokuton user told us: it is just water and earth chakra combined.

 

[iSpeak]

Mokuton has life within it, true. However that doesn't defeat what an actual Mokuton user told us: it is just water and earth chakra combined.

Exactly. This is what I have been trying to say.
Life force is found in chakra. This is why all living things have chakra. Chiyo's Kisho Tensei transfers her life force into another through her chakra (which is why all of her chakra runs out afterwards). Same with Rinne Tensei. If you absorb all of the chakra out of someone, then you have absorbed the life force out of them, which is why they die once their chakra reaches 0. Just because Mokuton has life force it doesn't stop it from being chakra. It was made from chakra and its life force is chakra.
Anyway, +rep to you.

 

[Anorien16]

The mix doesn't have to make sense: apparently mixing, Fuuton, Doton and Katon makes Jinton.
There is no Yang or Yin involved (show me if I'm wrong), but there is only Suiton and Doton used as per se Yamato during the Naruto wind training arc.

Primarily ur wrong in a place to consider that trees are not living see:

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U will notice that the Mokuton uses chakra converted to life force to make real living trees and then provide the necessary nutrients for its growth using suiton and doton.

Also note that according to my explanation the Mokuton trees are natural trees whose growth is manipulated by the wood user and so acts like normal trees when left alone.

Does the Fuda rely on chakra? That will answer the question. If the answer is yes, it'll make useless if not then it won't. Absorbing the chakra within the Fuda would release an Edo Tensei.

Well do u remember Kabuto using Orochimaru's chakra gathered from Anko to make the edo bindings stronger.

If its chakra it'll be reversed; the chakra flow is reversed and that's mainly how the Preta Path works. If the Ninjutsu hits the wall, then the Preta Path cannot undo that, clearly. However as far as the actual jutsu is concerned, it'll be absorbed.

No the chakra is not reversed, it absorbs the chakra into its own body. Note how Nagato's hair became red again after absorbing bee's chakra.

Seemingly, there's a reason that particular Path avoids close combat. Or at least foes that don't rely on chakra e.g. Kiba's clan.

Kiba's clan rely on chakra too, or didnt u see akamaru transform and Kiba go on a super spin? Kiba does not have lee's level of physical training to rotate that fast.

Chakra does odd things and it is probable that Yin and Yang factor into the formation of Kage Bunshins. However that doesn't beat the idea that it can be absorbed.

A living thing cannot be absorbed, that is because it is made up of other things besides chakra. Whereas a chakra generated clone is made from chakra.

A clone is a imitation which have equally divided chakra of the users at the time of creation. As i said they act just like a regular human being.

We saw exactly what happened. That Pain was oblivious to what Naruto was planning. Naruto could've sent a clone to do the Henge no Jutsu and it could've worked- Naruto going personally put himself in greater danger.
The logical reason would be that clones are absorbent which is why Naruto didn't send his clone against a Path which absorbs chakra.

No Nagato was quite aware, or else how did he absorb or counter bee? Plus naruto caouldnt have made more clones when he is practically hanging on his chakra and soul. Plus KM clones are harder to make, and he already made a few.

I'll telling you what will sway me. At the moment it seems you're slotting your own particular explanations to jutsu in addition to what we've been told in the manga.

Well look above.

With the Kage Bunshin case, I simply want to know why I should believe they're not chakra. We know it creates actual bodies, but what are those bodies made of? It isn't what Naruto himself is made of, because then they wouldn't disperse after being hit with a fatal attack. Chakra and only chakra (maybe with a Yin and Yang element) is the most reasonable explanation.

Bcos Kakashi's Lighning clone exploded, Wood Clones are more dureable ect factors. Plus if it is not living, explain how can just chakra have their own experience to add them to the user or move about independently and think like the user etc If u say yin yang u forget that yang breathes life into a form.

Exactly. This is what I have been trying to say.
Life force is found in chakra. This is why all living things have chakra. Chiyo's Kisho Tensei transfers her life force into another through her chakra (which is why all of her chakra runs out afterwards). Same with Rinne Tensei. If you absorb all of the chakra out of someone, then you have absorbed the life force out of them, which is why they die once their chakra reaches 0. Just because Mokuton has life force it doesn't stop it from being chakra. It was made from chakra and its life force is chakra.
Anyway, +rep to you.

Life force is not chakra. Do u know what chakra is? Its the mixture of spiritual energy and stamina. Every living thing has spirit and stamina and so has chakra. If chakra reaches 0, it would mean its stamina has reached 0 and would naturally mean death through exhaustion. Mokuton has life force which makes it a living thing unlike fire, oil, lightning etc. that should make a difference cos it is never said Preta path can absorb unmoulded chakra or living things.