If u use a ninjutsu to make a hill crumble and the are about to hit nagato, he cant absorb those rock. But he can actually stop the chakra u use to do that.
Another one would be Tsunade's Sozo Saisei or Byakugou. She's using her Chakra to produce new cells, but those cells themselves are not Chakra. Or do you think Fujutsu: Kyuin can absorb Tsunade's cells?
Another one would be Tsunade's Sozo Saisei or Byakugou. She's using her Chakra to produce new cells, but those cells themselves are not Chakra. Or do you think Fujutsu: Kyuin can absorb Tsunade's cells?
Matter and energy are interconvertable. Shadow clones are a conversion from energy into physical matter. The Preta Path cannot absorb physical matter. /Thread.
This is where u and ispeak go wrong. If hashi uses chakra to make wood, then the wood can be absorbed. But since he speeds up growth of wood with his chakra(according to data book), the chakra can be absorbed, making hashi incapable of manipulating it. But the already formed wood remains. It is that simple. You have to understand how this particular ninjutsu works, for certain ninjutsu are not directed to the opponent. But rather its effect is. In this particular case it cant be absorbed because it not the ninjutsu but rather it's effect.
If u use a ninjutsu to make a hill crumble and the rocks are about to hit nagato, he cant absorb those rocks. But he can actually stop the chakra u use to do that.
Would you be able to so show me the databook page then please? Because I don't understand what you are saying. You cant create real natural born tree's from nothing... you need to plan a seed first.
Hashirama is just able to forces his Mokuton to grow anywhere in the ground. He is still using his own chakra to make it which is why he is able to use it anywhere.
You are under the illusion that the elements they make are the exact real thing. Do you understand that wood doesn't just pop out of nowhere? The wood that you see Yamato using is formed from chakra. They have moulded their own chakra into that form and changed the characteristics of the chakra to mimic wood. You can do the same with any element. It is still chakra... go and research how ninjutsu works. Speeding up the growth of the wood wouldn't stop it from being made from chakra. Do you think the wood Yamato creates is real wood with just chakra inside it or something? That would make no sesne... where would the wood come from. Normal natural made wood can't suppress a Tailed Beast.
Anyway, Naruto has a cloak of life force.
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Naruto's cloak of life force was absorbed by Nagato.
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Nagato can absorb life force. Fact.
So giving life force to his wood made of chakra wouldn't stop it from being absorbed. If you still disagree then there is no point in me try to explaining even more...
Another one would be Tsunade's Sozo Saisei or Byakugou. She's using her Chakra to produce new cells, but those cells themselves are not Chakra. Or do you think Fujutsu: Kyuin can absorb Tsunade's cells?
So can preta path absorb susano which is the users materialise, it's either it cant because it has become to dense to be absorbed or it would take a hell of a long time. But really and truly isn't it up to kishi couldn't he make a person say a line like "this isn't any ordinary chakra susano is blah blah blah".
Because to me susano doesn't seem like any ordinary thing that can be taken out like that. But can someone explain to me what would happen?
Would you be able to so show me the databook page then please? Because I don't understand what you are saying. You cant create real natural born tree's from nothing... you need to plan a seed first.
Hashirama is just able to forces his Mokuton to grow anywhere in the ground. He is still using his own chakra to make it which is why he is able to use it anywhere.
You are under the illusion that the elements they make are the exact real thing. Do you understand that wood doesn't just pop out of nowhere? The wood that you see Yamato using is formed from chakra. They have moulded their own chakra into that form and changed the characteristics of the chakra to mimic wood. You can do the same with any element. It is still chakra... go and research how ninjutsu works. Speeding up the growth of the wood wouldn't stop it from being made from chakra. Do you think the wood Yamato creates is real wood with just chakra inside it or something? That would make no sesne... where would the wood come from. Normal natural made wood can't suppress a Tailed Beast.
Anyway, Naruto has a cloak of life force.
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Naruto's cloak of life force was absorbed by Nagato.
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Nagato can absorb life force. Fact.
So giving life force to his wood made of chakra wouldn't stop it from being absorbed. If you still disagree then there is no point in me try to explaining even more...
I already explained how that is nothing like what Nagato does. Go back and re read my previous posts.
Deaf ears... or did I explain to you the differences, which you were unable to respond back to?
Lmao. What cloak of life force. The cloak around Naruto is a chakra shroud not a life force.
And where do the trees Hashirama create come from you ask? They come from the ground. He uses nutrients and water from the ground to create the trees.Thats why they pop out of the ground and not out of thin air. The chakra just acts as a source of energy for that chemical reaction to take place. Every chemical reaction needs energy right? The trees themselves are not made of chakra but they were made with chakra. Just like the organs Tsunade creates with her mitosis regeneration were made with chakra but are no made of chakra. There's a distinct difference.You did not counter this point.
Edit: Maybe u are confusing this wood jutsu to the ones yamato makes from his hands like extention projected from his body. Those wood are not trees, the perfectly carved for a function and not sprouting from the ground. Once yamato stops using chakra they will die out. But hashi's mukuton pops from the ground and the nutrients in ground is what maintains it. Now if hashi stops using chakra, it will still grow but not in that fast manner
Naruto's cloak of life force was absorbed by Nagato.
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Nagato can absorb life force. Fact.
So giving life force to his wood made of chakra wouldn't stop it from being absorbed. If you still disagree then there is no point in me try to explaining even more...
i dont see nagato absorbing coat of life force -___-
i only see nagatos hair going back to red cause he absorbed bee's chakra and nagato using human path and naruto getting caught by the invisible chameleon
where does he absorb anything?
Lmao. What cloak of life force. The cloak around Naruto is a chakra shroud not a life force.
And where do the trees Hashirama create come from you ask? They come from the ground. He uses nutrients and water from the ground to create the trees.Thats why they pop out of the ground and not out of thin air. The chakra just acts as a source of energy for that chemical reaction to take place. Every chemical reaction needs energy right? The trees themselves are not made of chakra but they were made with chakra. Just like the organs Tsunade creates with her mitosis regeneration were made with chakra but are no made of chakra. There's a distinct difference.You did not counter this point.
Edit: Maybe u are confusing this wood jutsu to the ones yamato makes from his hands like extention projected from his body. Those wood are not trees, the perfectly carved for a function and not sprouting from the ground. Once yamato stops using chakra they will die out. But hashi's mukuton pops from the ground and the nutrients in ground is what maintains it. Now if hashi stops using chakra, it will still grow but not in that fast manner
Life force is part of chakra. Remember the fox's Yin half of his chakra was sealed, so Naruto has a Yang cloak. This is why it has life force. Yamato clealy says that Naruto has life force.
But you cant grow a tree from just nutrients. You would need a seed which contains the embryo etc which turns into the tree.
Plus, you said that this was stated in the databook which I would like to see please. If it does say that he somehow starts the life directly from the nutrients (which I wouldn't really understand) then I would re think whether Nagato is able to absorb it or not. But I would need to understand exactly how it happens first (with the databooks). Nobody has been able to show me where in the databooks it says any of this.
i dont see nagato absorbing coat of life force -___-
i only see nagatos hair going back to red cause he absorbed bee's chakra and nagato using human path and naruto getting caught by the invisible chameleon
where does he absorb anything?
So can preta path absorb susano which is the users materialise, it's either it cant because it has become to dense to be absorbed or it would take a hell of a long time. But really and truly isn't it up to kishi couldn't he make a person say a line like "this isn't any ordinary chakra susano is blah blah blah".
Because to me susano doesn't seem like any ordinary thing that can be taken out like that. But can someone explain to me what would happen?
Could you answer that for me you seem to know a lot. I am not sure if nagato could absorb PS and S
So can preta path absorb susano which is the users materialise, it's either it cant because it has become to dense to be absorbed or it would take a hell of a long time. But really and truly isn't it up to kishi couldn't he make a person say a line like "this isn't any ordinary chakra susano is blah blah blah".
Because to me susano doesn't seem like any ordinary thing that can be taken out like that. But can someone explain to me what would happen?
Could you answer that for me you seem to know a lot. I am not sure if nagato could absorb PS and S
Yeh Susanoo would be able to me absorbed. All it is is materialised chakra. How long it would take is another question though.
The Rinnegan was always meant to be haxed, it was the Dojutsu owned by the Sage himself.
I said Life force is found in chakra, I didn't say life force is chakra.
Younger son inherited the spiritual energy (found in chakra aswel) which is where the life force is, whilst the Uchiha ancestor inherited the physical energy (found in chakra aswell). The Uchiha didn't inherit the whole of the Sage's chakra, they just inherited the trait of having powerful chakra. They each inherited half of the Sage's chakra.
Life force is part of chakra. Remember the fox's Yin half of his chakra was sealed, so Naruto has a Yang cloak. This is why it has life force. Yamato clealy says that Naruto has life force.
But you cant grow a tree from just nutrients. You would need a seed which contains the embryo etc which turns into the tree.
Plus, you said that this was stated in the databook which I would like to see please. If it does say that he somehow starts the life directly from the nutrients (which I wouldn't really understand) then I would re think whether Nagato is able to absorb it or not. But I would need to understand exactly how it happens first (with the databooks). Nobody has been able to show me where in the databooks it says any of this.
Yeh I just realised that. Anyway, like I said above life force is part of chakra so I see no reason why it cant be absorbed.
Clearly u are not getting the logic of my argument or u are just intentionally turning a blind eye to it. If u want to understand how kishi thinks hashi's mukoton works, download the databooks and absorb it. Or u can still make ur own interpretation of the manga. I'm out
Clearly u are not getting the logic of my argument or u are just intentionally turning a blind eye to it. If u want to understand how kishi thinks hashi's mukoton works, download the databooks and absorb it. Or u can still make ur own interpretation of the manga. I'm out
So instead of brining me the databooks, you tell me that I am turning a blind eye and then quickly leave? It just proves you are like the rest of them... you cant back up anything. So untill you show me the databook scan where it is stated, then just stop talking. I have looked through the databook myself and couldn't find it say that anywhere. So you just seem like a liar to me, making stuff up to fit your own theory. I don't have time to waste with people like that.
Like I said, you need a seed which contains its embryo to grow a tree naturally. So if you cant bring me a databook scan of what you claim, then ill go with the more logical answer that Hashirama uses his own chakra to create the wood.
As I said before, natural born wood cannot suppress a tailed beast.
So can preta path absorb susano which is the users materialise, it's either it cant because it has become to dense to be absorbed or it would take a hell of a long time. But really and truly isn't it up to kishi couldn't he make a person say a line like "this isn't any ordinary chakra susano is blah blah blah".
Because to me susano doesn't seem like any ordinary thing that can be taken out like that. But can someone explain to me what would happen?
Could you answer that for me you seem to know a lot. I am not sure if nagato could absorb PS and S
Susano'o is an extension of purely the users chakra
What? How can Chakra become to dense to absorb? It can't
Hell of a long time? Nagato absorbed Bee's v2 Bijuu cloak almost instantly, it wouldn't take too long to absorb a regular Susano'o, and the Perfect Susano'o would be destabilized after a considerable amount had been absorbed (so taken out)
ok itachi is unbeatable and his yata mirror can chibaku tensei. databook says that any power loses its effect before this god, what databook says is that itachi cant be beaten :b.
it absorbs any ninjutsu? so sanju rashomon, kagebunshins, kamui, the meteor madara summoned, alright. in theory preta abosrbs anything but only if the opponent aint doing nothing. what brings prata if susanoos slash destroys him anyway because it is too strong?
he will use preta path but will anyway be crushed by susanoo or mokuton because preta path wont work in an instant. and now dont go to compare the huan sized biju cloak with physical matters which have chakra inside, even samehada absorbd the chakra of bee almost instantly with a swing. he can try to absorb mokuton, but one touch means he gets crushed by the impact.
Mokubunshin no Jutsu
Yamato
Ninjutsu
N/A
Yamato creates a bunshin by changing his own cells using chakra. Stronger than your average bunshin, these bunshin won't disappear after one attack by an enemy. Also because it can become one with vegetation it demonstrates it strength by scouting out areas.
Mokuton - Daijurin no Jutsu
Yamato
Ninjutsu
N/A
This jutsu allows the user to transform their arm into a giant tree. Using chakra Yamato transforms his cells into timber as well as stimulating it and increasing growth, or as the situation calls for it, causing it to branch out rapidly. Yamato can capture enemies in his branch or transforming the tips of them into sharp spears and using it as a piercing weapon.
Mokuton - Mokujouheki
Yamato
Ninjutsu
N/A
This jutsu has Yamato surge the roots in the ground to have them sprout wooden pillars up from both sides of Yamato, using him as the base point. With him at the center he can also create a dome like pillar in which it can be used as a clamping attack on enemy. When confronting an enemy in close range combat occasionally by closing the enemy alone, or even both of them together in a dome, can change the situation into a one on one fight. Yet another use of this jutsu is by creating a simple shelter can shield himself from shuriken or kunai thrown by long-range opponents. This jutsu truly is an all purpose wall!
Mokuton - Shichuuka no Jutsu
Yamato
Ninjutsu
N/A The user flows their chakra into the ground and uses the roots of vegetation as building material. This jutsu forms the material into a building as it rapidly stimulates its growth. Just like "Shichuurou no Jutsu" the size and shape of the building is made from the way the user, Yamato's memory or artistic impression. By having a barrier charm placed on the "Shichuuka" they can relax in their "camp" knowing they're free from enemy's sight.
Mokuton - Shichuurou no Jutsu
Yamato
Ninjutsu
N/A
Yamato creates a tree prison by using the land to change his chakra into building materials and shaping it as it rapidly grows. From bug sized prisons to huge prisons the size depends on how Yamato wants it as he's able to change it by the amount of chakra he uses. The building materials are coated with Yamato's chakra and so make breaking it extremely difficult to do.
Mokuton no Jutsu
Yamato/Shodaihokage
Ninjutsu
N/A
This legendary "secret jutsu" allows the user to change chakra into the origin of life which is currently only possible by Yamato. A "Kekkei Genkai" allowing the user to use the basic nature of both "Suiton" and "Doton" together to create vegetation and trees and then by changing those to allows him to demonstrate his dominance in both offense and defense.
So as far the translations:
1. A mokuton user uses his own cells to change them into hard wood.
OR
2. Uses his suiton, doton and life force(converted from chakra) to create a plant life and stimulate its growth.
OR
3. Simply modifies the life within the soil and stimulates its growth.
So the mokuton trees are just modified life forms the user merely uses his suiton, doton and life force to accererate and control their growth, much like Tsunade's Rebirth Tech which uses chakra to increase mitosis and heals the wounds naturally but in super fast and much more complete way. So if Preta path can absorb mokuton, he absorb Tsunade herself as her body itself is a result of ninjutsu.
