preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

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Ive just skim read the thread and it seems those who say nagato can absorb it are either holding dear to them the description in the DB and not really coming up with a reasonable answer or are tackling the question wrong.

The way i understand it is like this. Kage bunshin divide chakra individually, Note the word chakra;

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The end life of a bunshin is when they take a hit and disperse or when the chakra given to them runs out..

Ive intentionally high lighted the top part because its important in understanding how nagato will absorb kage bunshin.

If a kage bunshin was to come in contact with nagato he can abosrb the chakra in that kage bunshin no different to what he did to bee;

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It absorbed the 8 tails chakra enough for bee to revert to his original form.
What im saying is that nagato cannot absorb kage bunshin so to speak, but hecan absorb the chakra intrusted in the kage bunshin and once the chakra in the clone has been absorbed its life cycle ends, it will disperse

The whole thread had gone way off topic for a while. It went from whether Preta Path could absorb Kagebunshins to whether Mokuton can be absorbed by Preta. U_U

No he means to say that Hashirama uses chakra as a source to create life force to create mokuton. the trees are actual living things and now i ask can preta path absorb a living thing?

Yes it can absorb a living thing that has chakra. It doesnt absorb the body physically but the any amount of chakra flowing through it. Example when Pain's Preta path was absorbing SM Naruto. If Naruto hadnt swiched to natural energy from normal chakra he could've died.

 

[Anorien16]

Yawn. How many times have I said that the tree's have life given properties? They can grow and do all that, but they are still made from chakra!
Something made from chakra doesn't need a constant supply... I have never heard that.
Tailed beasts are no different at all. Kin and Gin ate the Kyuubi's flesh and in turn gained his chakra. Put two and two together and you will realise that the Kyuubi's flesh is chakra, just as I said. So you are only proving me right. Is the Kyuubi a living beast? Yes. But is he still made from chakra? Yes.
If someone sealed Neji's chakra, do you think he would shrink? No. It is evident they are still chakra and havn't become truly living things.
Tailed beasts are not strange... you must just not understand them. They have flesh, they have bones. But all of this is made from chakra. They can communicate, they can run, use attacks.. but they are still chakra. They have just been given life properties. It is the same thing with Hashirama's trees.

So kin and Gin ate pure chakra? I thought chakra was not a physical thing.

Also as i said Biju are not 'natural' things . . . . They are reborn if they are killed and i havent seen anything else that can be automatically ressurected. I dont think Hashirama's trees can be reborn or can thay as they are same as the biju in your opinion?

Well something made of chakra dont need constant supply? U never figured out that for the continuity a tech chakra is required to sustain it long term . . . . Susano shuts off when chakra supply is stopped, breathing katons are stopped as soon as the user stops chakra supply. U may not have heard it but techs needs chakra to sustain itself. OR show me one tech that does not need chakra to keep itself active.

The whole thread had gone way off topic for a while. It went from whether Preta Path could absorb Kagebunshins to whether Mokuton can be absorbed by Preta. U_U



Yes it can absorb a living thing that has chakra. It doesnt absorb the body physically but the any amount of chakra flowing through it. Example when Pain's Preta path was absorbing SM Naruto. If Naruto hadnt swiched to natural energy from normal chakra he could've died.

Ya i know that what i meant is that can Preta path absorb the living thing's physical body?

 

[iSpeak]

Usually I wont bother replying further but I got one more argument that will disarm even someone as stubborn as you.
Hashirama's wood is more like the Genesis rebirth technique. Yea thats right Tsunade's tech that allows her to regrow organs using chakra stored on her forehead. So according to you, if edo Madara cuts off Tsunade's glorious chest treasures, and she puts a smile on back on Jiraiya's face by growing them. Edo Madara can at any point in time just suck those delicious melons and make them disappear right? I mean those boobs were made from chakra right?

There is no point in calling me stubborn just because I disagree with you. All that makes you look like to me is a hater. I have countered everything you have to say... and its funny you couldn't reply back to the tailed beast comment. Because I am right and they are the same situation.
Anyway, healing something is no where near the same as what Hashirama does. Tsunade's treasures were not chakra made to begin with... I don't have a clue why you are bringing that up. Hashirama uses the technique to give life properties to the chakra already made.

 

[Ninpou]

Matter and energy are interconvertable. Shadow clones are a conversion from energy into physical matter. The Preta Path cannot absorb physical matter. /Thread.

Going by that, no technique should be absorbed, water is matter not energy and preta can abosorb that, same with the other elements. This statement is incorrent because all ninjutsu in conversion of energy to matter,

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Ya i know that what i meant is that can Preta path absorb the living thing's physical body?

No. Is that the belief that some population of NB has? Is that the reason why people find it so hard to believe that some physical ninjutsu can't be absorbed? If so no wonder. :shrug:

By absorbing we mean absorbing the chakra from it, not actually absorbing the physical property.

 

[svladcjelli42]

Preta absorbed Jiraiya's lake of boiling oil, which was clearly matter. So clearly Preta can absorb ninjutsu based matter to at least some extent.
I agree that Nagato fanboys are delusional, but the same can be said of all fanboys essentially by definition.

 

[TrollingSage]

There is no point in calling me stubborn just because I disagree with you. All that makes you look like to me is a hater. I have countered everything you have to say... and its funny you couldn't reply back to the tailed beast comment. Because I am right and they are the same situation.
Anyway, healing something is no where near the same as what Hashirama does. Tsunade's treasures were not chakra made to begin with... I don't have a clue why you are bringing that up. Hashirama uses the technique to give life properties to the chakra already made.

What are you on about? Tsunade can use the tech to regrow lost body parts. Where do you think the lost body parts are coming from. Thats right the chakra she stored on her forehead. So yes Hashirama's wood infact has more similarities to Tsunade's rebirth tech that it does with creation of all things.
Oh and one more correction, Hashirama doesnt give life to a chakra construct. He creates life with his chakra just like Tsunade creates body parts with hers.
Thats why the trees Hashirama created around Konoha grew and reproduced even after his death. Are you going to argue that those trees are chakra as well?

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Matter and energy are interconvertable. Shadow clones are a conversion from energy into physical matter. The Preta Path cannot absorb physical matter. /Thread.

*Nods head in agreement*U_U

Shadow clones is the key to defeating the preta path, perhaps there are better and useful ways but it seems that is a key jutsu against that tech.

 

[iSpeak]

So kin and Gin ate pure chakra? I thought chakra was not a physical thing.

Also as i said Biju are not 'natural' things . . . . They are reborn if they are killed and i havent seen anything else that can be automatically ressurected. I dont think Hashirama's trees can be reborn or can thay as they are same as the biju in your opinion?

Well something made of chakra dont need constant supply? U never figured out that for the continuity a tech chakra is required to sustain it long term . . . . Susano shuts off when chakra supply is stopped, breathing katons are stopped as soon as the user stops chakra supply. U may not have heard it but techs needs chakra to sustain itself. OR show me one tech that does not need chakra to keep itself active.

@bold. See, thats where you are all wrong. Chakra can be manipulated into anything. Susanoo is chakra, yet it is physical. The oil that the Preta path absorbed is physical. The Kyuubi has skin, but it is made from chakra which is why Kin and Gin gained some of the chakra after eating it.
I have just shown you a tech that stays after the user dies. Itachi's Amaterasu kept burning even after he died.
Another example is Edo Tensei. The fact is, some Ninjutsu are able to stay even after the user dies.

 

[Ninpou]

*Nods head in agreement*U_U

Shadow clones is the key to defeating the preta path, perhaps there are better and useful ways but it seems that is a key jutsu against that tech.

That statement isnt correct.

 

[Punk Hazard]

ok the nagato fans are going craty with preta path and post the page where it is say that ANY ninjutsu can be absorbed no matter which form.

preta path got his ass kicked by kagebunshins? why? why preta didnt absorb the kagebunshins when they have touched him and throw to the ground? kagebunshins are a ninjutsu created by using chakra. a form of chakra.

i doubt you can, fools. before you wont give me a reasonable reason why preta couldnt, whe shouldnt debate about preta which such a high meaning.

tell me, cmmon.

that was the real naruto

Matter and energy are interconvertable. Shadow clones are a conversion from energy into physical matter. The Preta Path cannot absorb physical matter. /Thread.

what about the oil

 

[iSpeak]

What are you on about? Tsunade can use the tech to regrow lost body parts. Where do you think the lost body parts are coming from. Thats right the chakra she stored on her forehead. So yes Hashirama's wood infact has more similarities to Tsunade's rebirth tech that it does with creation of all things.
Oh and one more correction, Hashirama doesnt give life to a chakra construct. He creates life with his chakra just like Tsunade creates body parts with hers.
Thats why the trees Hashirama created around Konoha grew and reproduced even after his death. Are you going to argue that those trees are chakra as well?

Look up the word Vitality.
The capacity to live, grow, or develop:
Do you think she is actually creating her body parts from chakra or something? lololol. Yang has the power to grow and develop. She is re growing what she had previously lost. Her body isn't made from chakra, it is real. Is that really hard to understand?
Mokuton is wood like Yamato's. Dead wood made from chakra.
Do you know what Yang is? Hashirama and the rest of his clan inherited this from the Sage, whilst the Uchiha clan inherited Yin. This is why the Senju clan are so proficient in healing etc.
Unlike Yamato and the Zetsu, Hashirama is able to infuse his Mokuton with Yang Release. This gives it the ability to live, grow and develop. This is why Yamato's wood reacted to Naruto's Yang release cloak and started to grow leaves etc. Same with Zetsu.
Those trees that Hashirama made are made from chakra, but they have all the abilities of a normal natural born tree. Like I said, the only difference is that it is made from chakra... nothing else.
Do you understand Yang Release is still chakra? Do you understand every form of ninjutsu is used by manipulating chakra into form and/ or an element? Do you understand that giving something life doesn't stop it from being chakra born?

 

[Anorien16]

There is no point in calling me stubborn just because I disagree with you. All that makes you look like to me is a hater. I have countered everything you have to say... and its funny you couldn't reply back to the tailed beast comment. Because I am right and they are the same situation.
Anyway, healing something is no where near the same as what Hashirama does. Tsunade's treasures were not chakra made to begin with... I don't have a clue why you are bringing that up. Hashirama uses the technique to give life properties to the chakra already made.

Well i didnt call u anyhing yet it was u who asked me read something else and expressed i dont know what i m talking about. Funny u didnt comment about the Biju's being reborn when killed, can mokuton trees can do that too?

Look up the word Vitality.
The capacity to live, grow, or develop:
Do you think she is actually creating her body parts from chakra or something? lololol. Yang has the power to grow and develop. She is re growing what she had previously lost. Her body isn't made from chakra, it is real. Is that really hard to understand?
Mokuton is wood like Yamato's. Dead wood made from chakra.
Do you know what Yang is? Hashirama and the rest of his clan inherited this from the Sage, whilst the Uchiha clan inherited Yin. This is why the Senju clan are so proficient in healing etc.
Unlike Yamato and the Zetsu, Hashirama is able to infuse his Mokuton with Yang Release. This gives it the ability to live, grow and develop. This is why Yamato's wood reacted to Naruto's Yang release cloak and started to grow leaves etc. Same with Zetsu.
Those trees that Hashirama made are made from chakra, but they have all the abilities of a normal natural born tree. Like I said, the only difference is that it is made from chakra... nothing else.
Do you understand Yang Release is still chakra? Do you understand every form of ninjutsu is used by manipulating chakra into form and/ or an element? Do you understand that giving something life doesn't stop it from being chakra born?

Can u show me where it states that Mokuton, Healing etc are yang releases?
Also dont u get it? Everything made from chakra disappear eventually when chakra supply is cut or else show me one thing made of chakra that dont disappear.

 

[TrollingSage]

Look up the word Vitality.
The capacity to live, grow, or develop:
Do you think she is actually creating her body parts from chakra or something? lololol. Yang has the power to grow and develop. She is re growing what she had previously lost. Her body isn't made from chakra, it is real. Is that really hard to understand?
Mokuton is wood like Yamato's. Dead wood made from chakra.
Do you know what Yang is? Hashirama and the rest of his clan inherited this from the Sage, whilst the Uchiha clan inherited Yin. This is why the Senju clan are so proficient in healing etc.
Unlike Yamato and the Zetsu, Hashirama is able to infuse his Mokuton with Yang Release. This gives it the ability to live, grow and develop. This is why Yamato's wood reacted to Naruto's Yang release cloak and started to grow leaves etc. Same with Zetsu.
Those trees that Hashirama made are made from chakra, but they have all the abilities of a normal natural born tree. Like I said, the only difference is that it is made from chakra... nothing else.
Do you understand Yang Release is still chakra? Do you understand every form of ninjutsu is used by manipulating chakra into form and/ or an element? Do you understand that giving something life doesn't stop it from being chakra born?

Oho see thats where you're also wrong. He doesnt make the trees from chakra. According to the databook, he speeds up the growth of the trees with his chakra. Meaning the trees are actually made from nutrients from the ground. Just like Tsunade uses the seal on her forehead to accelerate the growth of body parts. Thats why I brought that jutsu up in the first place.

 

[Sazzi]

actually if preta gets his hands on a clone the clone will disapear... a clone is manifested holding a set amount of jutsu.. if drained of jutsu or hit hard enough it disapears

 

[Owarij]

You all need to use common sense.. Clones work because they have the users chakra in them..evenly split..

Preta got his hands on naruto, and was sucking the chakra right out of him...He started losing power and feeling weaker..

We know that when you hit 0 chakra, you die.. that's how kakashi died last time...


If preta gets its hands on a clone.. Just like naruto, it will start abosrbing its chakra -_-
it will go poof..

sigh

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

You all need to use common sense.. Clones work because they have the users chakra in them..evenly split..

Preta got his hands on naruto, and was sucking the chakra right out of him...He started losing power and feeling weaker..

We know that when you hit 0 chakra, you die.. that's how kakashi died last time...


If preta gets its hands on a clone.. Just like naruto, it will start abosrbing its chakra -_-
it will go poof..

sigh

Mate this thread is no longer about that. Its about whether Mokuton or any other solid ninjutsu can be absorbed by Preta Path and people have a hard time believing that. :sy:

 

[iSpeak]

Oho see thats where you're also wrong. He doesnt make the trees from chakra. According to the databook, he speeds up the growth of the trees with his chakra. Meaning the trees are actually made from nutrients from the ground. Just like Tsunade uses the seal on her forehead to accelerate the growth of body parts. Thats why I brought that jutsu up in the first place.

Wait... what? Are you saying Hashirama controls the wood that is naturally born?
I explained this. Vitality is the ability to grow, live and develop. He uses this on his own Mokuton to bring it to life. You do understand that the Mokuton which Yamato makes is chakra right? That is basically Mokuton in its original state. Hashirama adds Yang to it whilst he makes it which allows it to become real. People just don't make real life objects out of nothing you know...

 

[Ninpou]

Well i didnt call u anyhing yet it was u who asked me read something else and expressed i dont know what i m talking about. Funny u didnt comment about the Biju's being reborn when killed, can mokuton trees can do that too?



Can u show me where it states that Mokuton, Healing etc are yang releases?
Also dont u get it? Everything made from chakra disappear eventually when chakra supply is cut or else show me one thing made of chakra that dont disappear.

Mokuton and healing are yang release, Yamatos wood has no leaves because it dosent have any yang release, the only time it had leaves was when Naruto activated his KM which radiates yang chakra. so i think its safe to say that creating/recovering life uses yang chakra.

 

[iSpeak]

Can u show me where it states that Mokuton, Healing etc are yang releases?
Also dont u get it? Everything made from chakra disappear eventually when chakra supply is cut or else show me one thing made of chakra that dont disappear.

Why do you keep asking me to show you it? Don't you know this stuff already?

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Show me where it says everything made from chakra disappears when the chakra supply is cut. I have already given you an example of ninjutsu which stay even after the user dies.